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Rieti IWC

Postby athleticshushmail » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:48 am

We're less than 4 hours from the final outdoor IAAF meet. Thoughts? I'm excited about Ryan Bailey, Walter Dix, Dwain Chambers and Kim Collins in the men's 100.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Sasuke » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:08 am

From this year on there will be a special 300m during this meeting, a shame the athletes taking part are not particularly interesting. Maybe next year, when there aren't WC, some athletes like Merritt or James will try to approach the wr. The cast is not exceptional as other years because many athletes ended their season in Brussels but there are going to be the likes of Chicherova, Perkovich, Majewski and some others.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby DCSIGMA » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:45 am

is there a live video link to this and what time does this meet start US EST?
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Pego » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:55 am

DCSIGMA wrote:is there a live video link to this and what time does this meet start US EST?


All info is here.

http://www.watchathletics.com/schedule/watchlive/301/
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby gh » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:06 am

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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:50 am

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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby aaronk » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:50 am

Weird!! :?
Sportlemon has Rieti listed on their list of events for livestream.
But when I click on Rieti, I'm getting a rerun of the Berlin ISTAF meet!!!
Alberto Stretti gave the same link.....for Sportlemon.....but the same thing happens when I click on Stretti's link (off his blog page).
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby jamal00005 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:54 am

Mcphereson just ran 50.00 in the 400m with Spencer in second with a PB of 50.19 .Spencer i was very impress with .
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby jamal00005 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:57 am

Russel 22.61 with a very good bend takes the 200 m. Her previous personal best was 23.4 according to the commentator
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:15 am

Well, good for David Torrence

PR 3:33.23

and Walter Dix

SB 9.99
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby jamal00005 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:16 am

Dix takes the 100m in 9.99. Good to see Ryan Bailey back and looked a bit more muscular.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby hc10003 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:19 am

Fascinating: 1500 fans - remember Master Po's observation on prior threads that in WC/OG 1500 finals, regardless of the pace of the race itself, the medalists almost always arise from those who came in w/sub 3:33 PRs? And the few who didn't would reach that level by the end of their medal season (e.g., Centro 2011)?

Cronje was the exception as of the WC, and today posts 3:31.9 for second. I guess we could have predicted that! Really interesting phenomenon.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby jamal00005 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:20 am

What on earth was Walter Dix wearing ? I though only people in the armed forces were allowed to wear that type of uniform.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby ATK » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:23 am

jamal00005 wrote:What on earth was Walter Dix wearing ? I though only people in the armed forces were allowed to wear that type of uniform.

He wore that in Brussles as well. I guess he is no longer sponsored?
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby jamal00005 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:26 am

Gordeyeva over 1.99 in e HJ
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:58 am

Not too shabby in the w3000

5 INFELD, Emily USA 8:41.43
6 REILLY, Chelsea USA 8:47.34
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:08 am

Just saw the 100. Dix bolted (pun?) straight up out of the blocks, but pulled away nicely. Tow obervations:

1. He's finally lost his head forward jerking motion.
2. He has a furiously high pumping knee lift. Looks like he's doing a drill. Very effective though.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby aaronk » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:58 am

Emily Infeld's 8:41.43 moves her to equal 14th on the A-T US outdoor list!
And Ben True's 7:36.59 moves him into 9th place on the same list (for men, natch! :D ).
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby norunner » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:09 am

I am very impressed by the 8:47 Eilish McColgan ran. I always thought the difference between flat and steeple time would be around 30 seconds, so with such speed she should be able to run around 9:15 instead of the 9:35 she has as PB.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby gh » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:12 am

i've not crunched any numbers, but if the 30-second figure is man-based, i think the differential for women is probably less, because I think the barriers are disproportionately lower.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:19 am

norunner wrote:I am very impressed by the 8:47 Eilish McColgan ran. I always thought the difference between flat and steeple time would be around 30 seconds, so with such speed she should be able to run around 9:15 instead of the 9:35 she has as PB.


Have you seen her hurdle? Looks like a Kenyan.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Alan Shank » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:22 am

Nice run for Ben True (7:36.59, defeating Rutto and Ndiku), poor race for Longosiwa (7:48.50 in 9th).

Manzano 3:48.83 for last finisher in 15.
Silas Kiplagat 3:30.13 off of a 2:47.13 1200 (Cheboi). Kiplagat is one who seems to run a lot better in paced races than championships.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby ozaloG » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:33 am

gh wrote:i've not crunched any numbers, but if the 30-second figure is man-based, i think the differential for women is probably less, because I think the barriers are disproportionately lower.


But the women are slower than the men (e.g., current men WL/women WL = 0.87).
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:40 am

gh wrote:i've not crunched any numbers, but if the 30-second figure is man-based, i think the differential for women is probably less, because I think the barriers are disproportionately lower.


Yes, but the percentage difference might be smaller and still leave a 30-second differential. One old rule of thumb was that the 2-mile and 3000SC times were generally comparable and the 2-mile records are consistent with that, in general. Does that means a bit more than 30 seconds?
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby fasttrak85 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:03 am

jamal00005 wrote:Mcphereson just ran 50.00 in the 400m with Spencer in second with a PB of 50.19 .Spencer i was very impress with .



Huge PB for Spencer. She may want to consider playing with the flat next year. She might surprise herself and us.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby gh » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:04 am

all in all, strikes me as the weakest Rieti "ever"
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Alan Shank » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:05 am

norunner wrote:I am very impressed by the 8:47 Eilish McColgan ran. I always thought the difference between flat and steeple time would be around 30 seconds, so with such speed she should be able to run around 9:15 instead of the 9:35 she has as PB.


Obviously, the differential would be heavily influenced by the quality of hurdling, although the very low height of the women's barriers perhaps doesn't put much of a premium on that skill. Tim Hutchings mentioned that on the Brussels broadcast.

One of the best female steeplechasers, not only in general but in hurdling skill, is Yuliya Zaripova. She has no outdoor 3000 to compare with, but her 1500 PB of 4:01.70 gets 1192 points on the IAAF tables, equating to 8:34.24 for 3000 flat at 9:20.79 for the 'chase. Well, she has nine marks better than 9:20, with a best of 9:05.02.

What conclusion(s) can we draw from this? First, the IAAF tables are not gospel, of course. Second, Zaripova is probably potentially better at 3000 than 1500. If she is actually capable of 8:30, her SC PB is 35 seconds slower. Since McColgan is a relatively poor hurdler, perhaps 40 seconds is a better figure, which would put her SC potential at 9:27 with poor technique.

All this is just guesswork, of course, but fun.

Taking SC WR holder Saif Saeed Shaheen, who has a broader set of marks at various distances, his 12:48.81 5K (in which he beat one Hicham El Guerrouj) is worth 1251 IAAF points, same as 7:28.21 for 3K an 8:01.62 for SC. His actual 3K PB is just 7:32.46, but it was set in 2009, after his "period of invincibility" was over. I suspect he could have broken 7:30 in the 2004-6 period. The IAAF differential is 33+ seconds, but Shaheen ran 7:53.63, just 21 seconds slower than his actual 3K PB, 25 slower than the 1251-point 3K from the tables.

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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:07 am

gh wrote:all in all, strikes me as the weakest Rieti "ever"


Sort of like Zurich and Brussells !
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Sasuke » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:14 am

Bruce Kritzler wrote:
gh wrote:all in all, strikes me as the weakest Rieti "ever"


Sort of like Zurich and Brussells !


Well, Rieti was less disappointing than those two diamond league. In Brussels in the W400 there were all the top runners and the final time was slower than what Kaliese Spencer ran today in Rieti. Rieti was disappointing in two things: the men triple jump and the fact a lot of athletes who had been announced withdrew (Carter, Oliver, Gatlin, Montsho, Gemili, Robles and others).
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby aaronk » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:23 am

As is known, I deal with actual numbers, not mathematical or scientific theorems or equations.
Thus, here's my Combined events times lists (men and women, outdoors) for the 3000/3000SC.

Men
Kiptanui..........7:27.18......7:56.16.......28.98
PK Koech.........7:33.93......7:54.31.......20.38
Shaheen.........7:34.67......7:53.63.......18.96
Barmasai........7:36.40......7:55.72.......19.32
Boit Kipketer...7:33.96......7:59.08.......25.12
Boulami.........7:38.18......7:55.28.......17.10
Tahri............7:33.18......8:01.18.......28.00

I believe the men who have differentials of less than 20 secs just didn't run a fast flat 3K. Just focused on the steeple. More realistic is about a 20 to 25 sec differential.

Women
Dominguez......8:28.80......9:07.32......38.52
Galkina..........8:42.96......8:58.81......15.85
Turova..........8:32.89......9:16.51......43.62
Chemos.........8:43.92......9:07.14......23.22
Petrova.........8:44.13......9:09.19......25.06
Zadorazhnaya..8:25.40......9:32.41......67.01 (!!!)
Bisibori.........8:45.48......9:13.16......27.68

My list for women in this combo goes much longer, but those are the ones with total times of under 18:00!!
Note the HUGE swing of differentials between the 15.85 of Galkina and the 67.01 of Zadorazhnaya!
Again, these "outliers" are due mainly to them focusing on one event, or just not racing much at one event or the other.
(I'm SURE Zadorazhnaya could have run a LOT faster than 9:32 in the steeple!! Ditto with Galkina in the 3000 flat!)
Again, I believe a 20 to 25 second gap works for both men and women to predict what they can do in one or the other event!
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby betterthanb4 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:05 am

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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Peter Michaelson » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:13 pm

OK I'm really confused.

I used the page that Pego listed to watch a track meet. The track meet that I saw had a different men's 100, with Jeff Demps and Kemar B-Cole and Kim Collins among others. The meet I saw also had a women's 100 won by Lekeisha Lawson and a men's 800 won by Aman with Duane Solomon second.

What meet was I watching when I thought I was watching Reiti?
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Peter Michaelson » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:18 pm

OK I'm not confused any more. They must have been showing the Berlin meet from September1.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby lovetorun » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:26 pm

Marlow wrote:Well, good for David Torrence

PR 3:33.23

and Walter Dix

SB 9.99


Yes, it's a great final meet performance for Torrence...it's kind of strange that his whole season has been mediocre and now, as it were out of no where, he runs this impressive PR. Go figure...but it's great.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Sasuke » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:51 am

Well, from this meeting my theory about Caster Semenya seems to be right. Don't you think she could easily run 1.55 if she wanted? She actually jogges all her races, here she destroyed the field in the last 100 metres without pushing too much. If she wanted she could maybe even take down the WR but she always seems not to want because, I think, she doesn't want too much attention.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby pakillo » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:39 am

Sasuke wrote:Well, from this meeting my theory about Caster Semenya seems to be right. Don't you think she could easily run 1.55 if she wanted? She actually jogges all her races, here she destroyed the field in the last 100 metres without pushing too much. If she wanted she could maybe even take down the WR but she always seems not to want because, I think, she doesn't want too much attention.
I absolutely agree.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby DCSIGMA » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:32 am

Sasuke wrote:Well, from this meeting my theory about Caster Semenya seems to be right. Don't you think she could easily run 1.55 if she wanted? She actually jogges all her races, here she destroyed the field in the last 100 metres without pushing too much. If she wanted she could maybe even take down the WR but she always seems not to want because, I think, she doesn't want too much attention.



I totally agree...Im sure she doesn't want to go thru what she went thru b4 because that can take a toll on your mind....i hope she comes back strong as ever in 2014 and if anybody got something to say about it she should tell them to GTH.
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby kuha » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:37 am

Sasuke wrote:because, I think, she doesn't want too much attention.


And that's working brilliantly. :roll:
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Re: Reiti IWC

Postby Sasuke » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:38 am

kuha wrote:
Sasuke wrote:because, I think, she doesn't want too much attention.


And that's working brilliantly. :roll:


Well, to me it seems way stranger running this way than winning with times like 1.56/1.57... in my opinion she should dominate the event but without destroying the others. She should do just what it's necessary to win.
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Re: Rieti IWC

Postby aaronk » Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:21 am

Sasuke wrote:
kuha wrote:
Sasuke wrote:because, I think, she doesn't want too much attention.


And that's working brilliantly. :roll:


Well, to me it seems way stranger running this way than winning with times like 1.56/1.57... in my opinion she should dominate the event but without destroying the others. She should do just what it's necessary to win.


Yeah.....just like everybody else does in events from 800 to 10K!!! :x
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