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2020 OG

Postby kuha » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:51 pm

Not sure this has been noted before.

http://olympictalk.nbcsports.com/2013/0 ... c/related/
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Marlow » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:57 pm

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Re: 2020 OG

Postby aaronk » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:01 pm

As I've tweeted a few times, I hope Billy Mills is chosen to light the Olympic flame!!
He'd be around 82 then, but he seems to be pretty fit now, so........!!

Be great to hear the reactions of those Americans (and others around the world!!) who were participants in those Games......Mills, Jim Ryun, Gerry Lindgren, etc etc etc!!
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby gm » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:03 pm

Why in the world would the Japanese choose Billy Mills to light the flame at their Olympics???
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby aaronk » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:14 pm

gm wrote:Why in the world would the Japanese choose Billy Mills to light the flame at their Olympics???


Maybe I'm USA-centric, but I can't remember even one Japanese athlete (T&F, I mean!!!) from those Games in '64!!
Can you??

Mills's shocking win......at least for me (and probably most Americans) became THE lasting memory from those Games!
Again, was there a Japanese Gold Medal winner who is remembered in the same way??
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:21 pm

gm wrote:Why in the world would the Japanese choose Billy Mills to light the flame at their Olympics???


Will, he did push for Japan; not that such a deed should lead to being the torch lighter. He might get a little VIP treatment though.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Vielleicht » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:35 pm

My bet is on Katou Sawao. To guess the Japanese will choose an American to light the flame is @#$@%$# :roll:

Btw, Tsuburaya's bronze in the '64 men's marathon was very sensational as well as inspiring at that time. His later tragedy added to the legend.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby gh » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:22 pm

gm wrote:Why in the world would the Japanese choose Billy Mills to light the flame at their Olympics???


Because Douglas MacArthur isn't available? And Commodore Perry is reallly unavailable? Oh, wait, how about any surviving crew from the Enola Gay?

(there isn't an emoticon sufficient enough to illustrate the proper response to such a suggestion, is there?)
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby aaronk » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:28 pm

gh wrote:
gm wrote:Why in the world would the Japanese choose Billy Mills to light the flame at their Olympics???


Because Douglas MacArthur isn't available? And Commodore Perry is reallly unavailable? Oh, wait, how about any surviving crew from the Enola Gay?

(there isn't an emoticon sufficient enough to illustrate the proper response to such a suggestion, is there?)


Am I to take your sarcasm as indicating you feel my sentimental choice of Mills to be the flame lighter is....um....,maybe a bit naive??
Okay, granted my pick of Mills is almost entirely born of sentiment and nostalgia.
So, aside of 2020-centric Japanese athletes or VIP's, who would you select?
And don't you think it would be nice if Japan chose people who participated in their 1964 Games to be honored in their Games 56 years later??
Mills and others who were in the '64 Games will be mostly in their late 70's, 80's, and even some in their 90's in 2020.
Surely they.....Americans and other non-Japanese......should be honored in SOME capacity in 2020, even if not as Torch Lighter!!
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Master Po » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:44 am

Sarcasm and sentiment aside, the following list (I'm assuming for the moment that it is accurate enough for this thread) is worth perusing, as it shows the range of persons chosen and reasons for being chosen to light the cauldron:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pe ... c_Cauldron

The range is interesting: Not always, but of course usually women or men from the nation hosting the games. Sometimes, but not always, athletes famous for their Olympic exploits. Sometimes T&F athletes, but of course, not always. Sometimes multiple persons perform the ritual, sometimes just one.

Should the Japanese organizers go the "Olympic hero" route, Japan's most decorated Olympic athletes have been gymnasts. Some are still living, and I would not be surprised if one of them was chosen to be part of this ritual, should they still be around and capable of participating in 2020.

Should the organizers go this route and seek a connection with the '64 Games, then the choice would be Takashi Ono, who is (a) the most decorated OG athlete in Japanese history (13 medals -- Sawao Kato has 12 medals, but more Gold, and his career began in '68); and (b) an athlete whose OG career spanned '52-'64 and who earned one of his Gold medals at Tokyo '64. He would be 89yo in 2020. And, should they go that route of connecting to '64, and also wish to include a female athlete of '64 OG vintage, someone surviving from Japan's women's volleyball team, which won the Gold in '64 would be a good choice. That team, and their Gold medal win (over the USSR), was a very big deal in 1964.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Ned Ryerson » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:52 am

gh wrote:(there isn't an emoticon sufficient enough to illustrate the proper response to such a suggestion, is there?)


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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Ned Ryerson » Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:57 am

Master Po wrote:The range is interesting: Not always, but of course usually women or men from the nation hosting the games.


When has the final torchbearer ever been a foreigner?
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Ned Ryerson » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:03 am

aaronk wrote:Am I to take your sarcasm as indicating you feel my sentimental choice of Mills to be the flame lighter is....um....,maybe a bit naive??
Okay, granted my pick of Mills is almost entirely born of sentiment and nostalgia.
So, aside of 2020-centric Japanese athletes or VIP's, who would you select?
And don't you think it would be nice if Japan chose people who participated in their 1964 Games to be honored in their Games 56 years later??
Mills and others who were in the '64 Games will be mostly in their late 70's, 80's, and even some in their 90's in 2020.
Surely they.....Americans and other non-Japanese......should be honored in SOME capacity in 2020, even if not as Torch Lighter!!


Why on earth would they pick a foreigner? Japan of all places with one of the most homogenous populations on the planet. They actually have their own sport heroes.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Master Po » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:07 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:
Master Po wrote:The range is interesting: Not always, but of course usually women or men from the nation hosting the games.


When has the final torchbearer ever been a foreigner?


Despite the way I stated this, I think it is never; however, I wasn't entirely sure, based on the way at least one of the descriptions was stated in the Wiki entry. I am not an OG historian, and so didn't want to over-state something. I guess I mis-stated in any case. Regrets. Was simply trying to contribute some actual information to the thread. I will leave further discussion of this matter to bambam, in whom I have 100% confidence to have the facts right. :)
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Ned Ryerson » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:09 am

Master Po wrote:Despite the way I stated this, I think it is never; however, I wasn't entirely sure, based on the way at least one of the descriptions was stated in the Wiki entry. I am not an OG historian, and so didn't want to over-state something. I guess I mis-stated in any case. Regrets. Was simply trying to contribute some actual information to the thread. I will leave further discussion of this matter to bambam, in whom I have 100% confidence to have the facts right. :)


I looked at your link and it looks like the answer is never. It hasn't always been an athlete of great standing, or even an athlete at all, but the host nation has never had a non-citizen (I won't go so far as to say non-native) as their final torchbearer.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:48 am

aaronk wrote:Maybe I'm USA-centric,

Y'think?
TAFNY for Understatement of the Year.
Throughout your postings, it is abundantly clear that you have a very . . . uh . . . idiosyncratic . . . view of the T&F world. To think that anyone else shares it is a teensy bit too much to ask.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby aaronk » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:07 am

Marlow wrote:
aaronk wrote:Maybe I'm USA-centric,

Y'think?
TAFNY for Understatement of the Year.
Throughout your postings, it is abundantly clear that you have a very . . . uh . . . idiosyncratic . . . view of the T&F world. To think that anyone else shares it is a teensy bit too much to ask.


Can you please make a list of those Americans on this MB who are NOT American-centric!!! :wink:
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Marlow » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:13 am

aaronk wrote:Can you please make a list of those Americans on this MB who are NOT American-centric!!! :wink:

It's about 'extent'. The number of posters here who think that the Japanese should have an American torch-lighter? Uno.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Daisy » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:20 am

aaronk wrote:I can't remember even one Japanese athlete (T&F, I mean!!!) from those Games in '64!!

But there were medalists in 1964, they won 29 medals, and of course, T&F is not the only sport.

Since when has there been a restriction on picking an athlete from the last time you hosted the games? Over the years they have had 168 gold medalists, so plenty of stars to choose from.

Or they could go the London route and choose up and coming athletes.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby tandfman » Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:24 am

Marlow wrote:
aaronk wrote:Maybe I'm USA-centric,

Y'think?
TAFNY for Understatement of the Year.

Maybe, but it's not a clear choice, considering another comment of his on this thread:
Am I to take your sarcasm as indicating you feel my sentimental choice of Mills to be the flame lighter is....um....,maybe a bit naive??
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Walt Murphy » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:47 am

aaronk wrote:As I've tweeted a few times, I hope Billy Mills is chosen to light the Olympic flame!!
He'd be around 82 then, but he seems to be pretty fit now, so........!!

Be great to hear the reactions of those Americans (and others around the world!!) who were participants in those Games......Mills, Jim Ryun, Gerry Lindgren, etc etc etc!!


Do fans count? I was there with the T&F News Olympic Tour. First day of my first Olympics--sat next to Cordner Nelson (co-founder of TFN) and his wife Mary as we watched Mills win the 10k! Needless to say, I was hooked forever on the Olympics.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby kamikaze7 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:29 am

Turkey punished for their crackdown against protesters. Finally the IOC does something good.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Vielleicht » Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:32 am

Let's not forget that the official documentary of '64 is one of the best Olympic documentaries ever made.
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby vencio2 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:54 am

Hi aaronk, I'd like to know why Mary CAIN isn't your choice for the lighting of the Olympic torch in Tokyo? Surely she'd be a 1:52 / 3:50 / 14:00 / 28:30 / 2h12 runner by then, and someone of such stardom would be a GREAT pick! After all the Japanese LOVE distance runners!!!
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby measurer » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:58 am

It would not be out of the question to include other nation's athletes that competed in the 64 Games as part of the Opening Ceremony. Top foreign athletes have historically supported bidding cities.

BUT, the torch lighting has always been reserved as a place of honor for athletes/vips from the host country.

Suggesting that an American light the torch for a foreign Olympics is right up there with the US calling it's professional baseball championships the "World Series"!
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Daisy » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:31 am

measurer wrote:the US calling it's professional baseball championships the "World Series"!

Is it possible they hoped it would truly become a world event? And if so, why not invite the rest to the world?
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Re: 2020 OG

Postby Pego » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:24 am

Daisy wrote:
measurer wrote:the US calling it's professional baseball championships the "World Series"!

Is it possible they hoped it would truly become a world event? And is so, why not invite the rest to the world?


They also refer to the NFL and NBA winners as "world champions." Of course, the NHL knows better.
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