So Bolt is Retiring


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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby expat » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:11 pm

For the non-cricketer, this may give an indication of Bradman's statistical dominance:
Lifetime batting average at the highest level: 99.94
Second highest: 60.97
20th: 52.29
The very best cluster, in other words, in the 50s but Bradman is an outlier to an extraordinary extent.

The baseball equivalent would be someone having a lifetime batting average of almost .600. The #2, Rogers Hornsby, is at .3585, but Ty Cobb is at .3664, not, um, .5876.

Bradman's eyesight and hand-eye coordination were unbelievable, along with his technique and concentration. I think the attempt to nominate an all-sport GOAT is absurd, but just from this stat (there are more, and anecdotal reasons too) you can see why the billion-plus cricket fans regard Bradman with such awe.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby zidan » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:29 pm

Agree< his level of dominance was insanely absurd and his records are most likely unbreakable..
If you look at a lot of articles re greatest Sportsman of all time Jordan seems to be a popular choice. For me, if Bolt cleans up all before him including Rio, plus go sub 9.5 and sub 19, that puts him atop the mythical list of greatest sportsman of all-time.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Jackaloupe » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:33 pm

there are probably more cricket fans in the world today than tennis fans?

I suspect y'awl theoreticals are counting total populations of all these over-populated poor countries, whose denizens can hardly sit around for hours watching boring Cricket matches. Nor can they actually play w/ anything more than slabs of wood--which is not to degrade the hard-working, long suffering poor (I was in the first Peace Corps group, in Colombia), only to point out how misleading supposed popularity can be: I'd bet plenty that the % of Pop. who attend Soccer/Futbol matches is much higher than the likes of Cricket--which I doubt many all those so-called Fans actually understand, much less identify with.

As for Pele vs. Maradona, think more of Cristiano Ronaldo, so much faster with a harder shot, and the current World's Best, Leonel Messi, whose deft, lightning moves and moreover, sense of passing, put Maradona way back there. At least Pele was a Leader, and remains an inspiration, as opposed to overweight drug-addled Prima Donna, Maradona.

[Got to see Pele first in Arequipa, Peru (Santos vs. local Melgar, a draw thanks to 8000' altitude; in DC when Cosmos came to town; and in Mexico/70 w/ the best Brazilian team ever: Joazinho, Ribarino, Carlos Alberto, Gerson, Tostao et al. His presence was always electric, unlike the hapless Maradona's with his up(pers) and downs (Trow Drop!).]
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby eiluke » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:57 pm

The air has gotten thin for him will Bolt accept to lose - because this is what might happen in 2016?
And let's not fool ourselfes, his opponents will have the extra motivation (extra practice) for the olympics 2016 as well
Will Bolt retire in order of not losing?
Or in case he is really the only one (top 100m athlete) who hasn't taken drugs until now - will he consider retirement in order of not losing?

As for Sugar Ray, he might have been a great boxer in his weight class, but you simply can not put him among the best of all time, since he did not have the heavy weight crown.
It is like mentioning Mougsey Bouges if he would have played in a sub 5'6 player height league and would have been MVP 10 times in a row there ....
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby eiluke » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:59 pm

Correction of point 2) would Bolt consider starting to take drugs in order of not losing?
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby shivfan » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:20 pm

dustoff wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Gay wasn't around because he tested positive for a banned substance.


You are missing the point of my question.

More woulda, coulda, shoulda....you're missing the point that any discussion about Gay is pointless simply because he failed a drug test.
:roll:
Basically, what you're saying is, what if Gay wasn't caught getting an unfair advantage, what would've happened? A totally pointless discussion...he failed a drug test, and it's time to move on, and look at other potential challengers to Bolt.

'Bolt said Thursday: "I am definitely reconsidering. I think my fans especially have really voiced their concern about me retiring." Pointing to commercial motives, Bolt says the fans "think I should carry on and so do my sponsors. I have discussed it with my coach and he says it is possible." The Jamaican says he is looking to extend his career by a year after the 2016 Olympics, meaning he could leave the sport after the 2017 world championships in London.'

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Bo ... ement-plan

That means I may have a chance of seeing him at the World Champs in London...hurray!
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby KDFINE » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:02 am

Any golden age of boxing may be long gone, but for Elluke to write that Sugar Ray can't be considered as one of the best of all time because he wasn't a heavyweight is ludicrous!
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby eiluke » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:53 pm

Michael Jordan: best basketballer (maybe even after LeBron retireing)
Pele: best soccer player (maybe ever, but at least in his era)
Tiger Woods: best golfer (maybe ever)
...

On the other hand, would anybody say that Steffen Beck (22.10.70) has been the best shot putter ever?
I doubt - though with 18,90m (19.07.98 Winnenden) at just 84 kg, he is the best shot putter ever in relation to his weight!

My point is, that Sugar Ray hasn't been the best boxer in the world at any time, he always would have would have lost a fight against the reigning heavy weight world champion.

Best ever is always a question of competitors. Or would anybody declare Steffi Graf as the best tennis professional ever, because she had won the golden Grand Slam in 1988?
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby Vielleicht » Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:42 am

eiluke wrote:My point is, that Sugar Ray hasn't been the best boxer in the world at any time, he always would have would have lost a fight against the reigning heavy weight world champion.

Best ever is always a question of competitors. Or would anybody declare Steffi Graf as the best tennis professional ever, because she had won the golden Grand Slam in 1988?

Based on your logic, no, because she always would have lost a match against many male tennis player.
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby leoesharkey » Sat Sep 21, 2013 5:17 am

You can't compare a national sport like Basketball or Baseball or NFL to a global sport like Soccer or Track and Field. Bolt is a global superstar, Michael Jordan is unknown and unappreciated outside the US. Muhammed Ali was probably the most famous man on earth in his prime. You have to take those that play local sports out of the equation, Donald Bradman in unknown outside five or six nations, Pele is and was a global superstar ala Ali and Bold. :)
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby ZELLGADISS » Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:39 am

Baseball is few known out USA(perhaps Cuba and few more), but basketball NBA?sorry but no.
Michael Jordan is very known in the world :wink:
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Re: So Bolt is Retiring

Postby berkeley » Sat Sep 21, 2013 2:28 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:there are probably more cricket fans in the world today than tennis fans?

I suspect y'awl theoreticals are counting total populations of all these over-populated poor countries, whose denizens can hardly sit around for hours watching boring Cricket matches. Nor can they actually play w/ anything more than slabs of wood--which is not to degrade the hard-working, long suffering poor (I was in the first Peace Corps group, in Colombia), only to point out how misleading supposed popularity can be: I'd bet plenty that the % of Pop. who attend Soccer/Futbol matches is much higher than the likes of Cricket--which I doubt many all those so-called Fans actually understand, much less identify with.

You are quite wrong about that. I'm not a cricket fan at all, but from my experience visiting India, almost everyone there is a huge fan and understands the game. The many whose economic circumstances preclude access to TV still watch local games, and all the kids play on dirt patches with rocks and sticks. Their relationship with the game is very much like that with soccer in most other poor regions of the world. It's one of the few accessible distractions from the struggle to survive.
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