¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94


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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby pickle47 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:15 pm

JAM's best chance of winning the relay has Bolt on 2nd or 3rd leg. But I guess in the U.S.'s weakened state, maybe they put him on anchor and bank on him running down anyone that might have somehow sqeaked to a lead. Still will probably win with him on anchor, just not as certain, IMHO.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby ZELLGADISS » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:46 am

NO
Bolt will run the anchor leg.
And only if USA has 3 metres or more advantage will win.
If USA has few difference with Jamaica, Bolt will destroy them 8-)
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby t_monk » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:12 am

With the current pool of athletes available I think the JA line up is pretty straight forward....

Carter - KBC - Ashmead - Bolt (this is provided that KBC and Ashmead come good in Moscow, if not swap one of these guys out for Weir.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby toyracer » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:20 am

jamal00005 wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb and say Bailey-Cole will not run the relay final in Moscow. At this stage he is just not up to scratch. So I think it will be Carter -Weir-Ashmeade- Bolt


The good thing about they relay is that Bailey-Cole won't have to block-start. He should be fine on second leg.

I'd put Weir on the curve, he does run a good one.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby booond » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:05 am

toyracer wrote:
jamal00005 wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb and say Bailey-Cole will not run the relay final in Moscow. At this stage he is just not up to scratch. So I think it will be Carter -Weir-Ashmeade- Bolt


The good thing about they relay is that Bailey-Cole won't have to block-start. He should be fine on second leg.

I'd put Weir on the curve, he does run a good one.


The most important part of the J 4x100 is finding three guys who won't cock it up before getting the stick to Bolt. If he's within 3 meters, maybe 5, they have a win. Get him the baton is rule #1. All else is icing.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby gh » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:50 am

5m down to Gatlin? I'd be interested in a piece of that action.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby Marlow » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:00 am

gh wrote:5m down to Gatlin? I'd be interested in a piece of that action.

At BEST right now (i.e., Moscow) Bolt is .25 up on Gatlin, which is about 3m. And that's assuming a perfect hand-off by Jam. I'm still calling the Jams the favorites, but there's a real pucker-factor there now.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby zidan » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:07 am

Don't think Bolt would get back to Gatlin with a 5m deficit....unless he is in sub 9.5 shape.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby tm71 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:08 am

gh wrote:5m down to Gatlin? I'd be interested in a piece of that action.


in the olympics bolt and ryan bailey almost got the button at the same time for the anchor. in the end it was only two tenths separating bolt from bailey. if gatlin has more than two meters bolt will not catch him !
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby booond » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:22 am

It was hyperbole, boys, hyperbole.

However, if they are "slightly" behind isn't as important as delivering the baton to Bolt. The makeup of the team should be about who are the best relay runners not necessarily the three fastest guys.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby booond » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:37 am

BTW, as a track fan, I'd love to see Bolt down by three meters to Gatlin to see how close the gap was at the end.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:08 pm

It depends, where are they getting the handoff?
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby dustoff » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:40 pm

I take it everyone is leaving out the fact that Gatlin ran past Bolt earlier this year?
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:05 pm

With a running start though, it's not much of a contest.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby gh » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:08 pm

in the context of this discussion, the start is irrelevant, since we're talking about with both at top speed how much of a deficit Bolt could eat up.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby Marlow » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:24 pm

gh wrote:in the context of this discussion, the start is irrelevant, since we're talking about with both at top speed how much of a deficit Bolt could eat up.

I'm sticking with 3m as the over/under.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby ZELLGADISS » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:24 pm

In my opinion if both are in good shape, Bolt wins with 2m down, but he would lose with 3m disadvantage.
Of course if Bolt is in very good shape and Gatlin in "normal shape" perhaps he could win with 3m disadvantage ...

We will see like they are in Moscow for to talk better :wink:
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:26 pm

What with all of surrounding machinations of the past 10 days, and the influence of those machinations on the relay,the relay is obviously going to be of huge interest.

I just hope for the integrity of the sport that Bolt comes through untainted by any association to a drug scandal and mows down Gatlin; because as far as I am concerned Gatlin shouldn't have been allowed back into the tent.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby dustoff » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:55 pm

JumboElliott wrote:With a running start though, it's not much of a contest.


Are you forgetting the part where Bolt got one of his best starts ever and Gatlin ran past him this year?
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:15 pm

Yes, but I'm not naive enough to think that it's the same Bolt we'll see in Moscow.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby ATK » Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:20 pm

Tuariki wrote:What with all of surrounding machinations of the past 10 days, and the influence of those machinations on the relay,the relay is obviously going to be of huge interest.

I just hope for the integrity of the sport that Bolt comes through untainted by any association to a drug scandal and mows down Gatlin; because as far as I am concerned Gatlin shouldn't have been allowed back into the tent.

Irrelevant, Gatlin is here now, and is running.

Like many have been saying, anything greater than the 2-3 meter range would probably need Bolt close to 9.5 form to run down Gatlin at this point.
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:38 pm

Tuariki wrote:...because as far as I am concerned Gatlin shouldn't have been allowed back into the tent.


Why, he has only one PEDs violation; the other was purely a technicality and was ruled not to be a case of performance enhancing drugs?
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:17 pm

Because IMO (which I know doesn't count) once should be it
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Re: ¶Monaco (Herculis) DL- M 100: Gatlin 9.94

Postby tm71 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:40 pm

26mi235 wrote:
Tuariki wrote:...because as far as I am concerned Gatlin shouldn't have been allowed back into the tent.


Why, he has only one PEDs violation; the other was purely a technicality and was ruled not to be a case of performance enhancing drugs?


That is true. He was suspended in 2001 when he was a freshman at univ of Tennessee for 18 months for adderrall positive test, but allowed by the IAAF to return to competition in August of 2002. He was allowed to compete at the NCAA level where he only completed two seasons. On his profile on the IAAF web site his performances from 2002 are still listed where as if he was banned they wouldn't br on record (like anything he did between April of 2006 and July of 2010)
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