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Unusual doubles

Postby nevetsllim » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:42 pm

So, at the European Junior Champs today, 17-year-old Anezha Drahotova won the 10,000m walk this morning in a Czech junior and senior record of 44:15.87. On the same day, she then came out to qualify for the 3000m steeplechase final with 10:20.17 (PB 10:10.45) and she's also on the entry-list for the 5000m!

She has a fast 20kmW PB of 1:30:54 so I'd imagine this is what she will focus on in the seniors but she's a talented all-rounder it seems.

Any other unusual doubles (or trebles?!) spring to mind?
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:02 pm

I saw that on Twitter earlier.
My first thought was wondering if there's ever been a great walker who became, or was also, a great runner.
Or vice versa.
By "great", I mean sub-29 10K for guys, sub-33 10K for women.......and equivalent marks in the walks.
This girl might be the best "switch-hitter"!!! :D
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby tm71 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:06 pm

aaronk wrote:I saw that on Twitter earlier.
My first thought was wondering if there's ever been a great walker who became, or was also, a great runner.
Or vice versa.
By "great", I mean sub-29 10K for guys, sub-33 10K for women.......and equivalent marks in the walks.
This girl might be the best "switch-hitter"!!! :D


i would presume that male 50 k walkers who can go a little over 3:30 in the 50 k walk (which is about 5 miles more than a marathon) could easily go sub 230 in a marathon if they were able to run all the way. in the same way elite marathoners can walk a marathon in a little over 3 hrs.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby nevetsllim » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:11 pm

aaronk wrote:I saw that on Twitter earlier.
My first thought was wondering if there's ever been a great walker who became, or was also, a great runner.
Or vice versa.
By "great", I mean sub-29 10K for guys, sub-33 10K for women.......and equivalent marks in the walks.
This girl might be the best "switch-hitter"!!! :D


Alina Ivanova is the first name which springs to mind - world 10km walk champion in 1991 who went on to be a very good marathon-runner (PB 2:25:34 from 2001).
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:14 pm

tm71 wrote:
aaronk wrote:I saw that on Twitter earlier.
My first thought was wondering if there's ever been a great walker who became, or was also, a great runner.
Or vice versa.
By "great", I mean sub-29 10K for guys, sub-33 10K for women.......and equivalent marks in the walks.
This girl might be the best "switch-hitter"!!! :D


i would presume that male 50 k walkers who can go a little over 3:30 in the 50 k walk (which is about 5 miles more than a marathon) could easily go sub 230 in a marathon if they were able to run all the way. in the same way elite marathoners can walk a marathon in a little over 3 hrs.


I agree with the 1st part.....about 50K walkers being able to run a 2:30 marathon.
One caveat.
WITH a year or so of marathon (running) training before they try it.

But the 2nd part, I'd disagree.
Why?
Because racewalking is a technical event........distance running not so much.
(At least not in technique!)
7:00/mile pace is a marathon in about 3:03+.
To walk ONE mile in 7:00 takes technique.
Have some 3 hour marathoners try to walk one mile on a track in 7 minutes.....with walk judges spaced every 100 meters......and see how fast they get DQ'd!!!
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby norunner » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:22 pm

Matthew Danny's double is unusual, at least i never heard of the discus/hammer combo. And winning medals in both events at a world championship (U18) gotta be very unusual.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby uakari » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:33 pm

no one will ever beat ostermayer's double.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:08 pm

One of the distance runners at Wisconsin also does the Jav; not a common combo (although he is not great at either).
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby no one » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:08 pm

brother PVd 12'10" ... ran ~4:30 and 1:58 - 1:23.x [660] ... in early 60s as a high schooler
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby TN1965 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:34 pm

26mi235 wrote:One of the distance runners at Wisconsin also does the Jav; not a common combo (although he is not great at either).


Erin Donohue also did javelin at UNC (44.98 PB).
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby kevinsdad » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:45 pm

One of the excellent Neeley twins won the 1600 at the Indiana HS State meet this year in 4:50 or so, and then came back a short time later to run 44 and place 8th in the 300 hurdles.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Tuariki » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:32 pm

Forget the double. What about my high school treble!! LJ: 24'6" - Shot: 39 feet - one mile: 5:05 :lol:

And on those performances Chaplin gave me a full ride to WSU. The bastard never let me have an opportunity to go after Van Reenen's school record in the shot or Rick Riley's school record in the mile.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:53 am

uakari wrote:no one will ever beat ostermayer's double.
Who is that?
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Powell » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:51 am

uakari wrote:no one will ever beat ostermayer's double.


It was actually a triple - HJ, SP and DT
How about Babe Didriksen? Gold in 80H and JT plus silver in HJ at one OG
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:59 am

Powell wrote:
uakari wrote:no one will ever beat ostermayer's double.


It was actually a triple - HJ, SP and DT
How about Babe Didriksen? Gold in 80H and JT plus silver in HJ at one OG
Ah, you mean Micheline Ostermeyer.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Pego » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:05 am

In '52 Aleksandra Chudina triple medalled - HJ, LJ, JT
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby LopenUupunut » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:15 am

aaronk wrote:I saw that on Twitter earlier.
My first thought was wondering if there's ever been a great walker who became, or was also, a great runner.
George Bonhag might qualify as Oly champ in both :wink:

(He won the 1500m walk in 1906 and was part of the victorious US team in the 3000m team run in 1912. He was always primarily a runner and nobody expected him to win the RW gold.)

Some decathletes have been brilliant in non-decathlon events. Aki Järvinen, twice Oly silver medallist in the decathlon, won an EC silver in 400m hurdles. Tom Kiely, 1904 all-around champion, was also one of the world's best in... wait for it... triple jump and hammer throw. (Though mostly not at the same time.)
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Powell » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:41 am

Kalevi Kotkas was simultaneously world class in HJ and DT - he took 2nd place in one and 4th in the other at one ECh.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby TN1965 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:19 am

norunner wrote:Matthew Danny's double is unusual, at least i never heard of the discus/hammer combo. And winning medals in both events at a world championship (U18) gotta be very unusual.


Yuka Murofushi is a national champion and NR holder in both hammer and discus. Unlike her brother (or father) she was better at discus.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby mireille coco » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:10 am

norunner wrote:
Powell wrote:
uakari wrote:no one will ever beat ostermayer's double.


It was actually a triple - HJ, SP and DT
Micheline Ostermeyer.


add also a medal in 80 hurdles at european'50 - that's 4 events (throw x 2, jump , hurdles)
Not to mention she was also a world class pianist at same time with several prizes
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby gh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:38 am

Bob Mathias, 1952 NCAA: 2nd in the 110H, 7th in SP, 6th in DT.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby gh » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:38 pm

and here's another: Bill Watson at the 1938 NCAA: 2nd in the LJ, 3rd in the SP, 4th in the DT.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby andyjgt » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:47 pm

Apparently Brazilian Luciana Mendes, of 1:58.2x fame from 1994, competed in the 800 in Atlanta '96, then switched to the TJ for Sydney '00, then went back to the 800 for Athens '04 (having run 1:59.11 that year)! That's (or would be!) an amazing double!
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Flumpy » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:17 am

nevetsllim wrote:Alina Ivanova is the first name which springs to mind - world 10km walk champion in 1991 who went on to be a very good marathon-runner (PB 2:25:34 from 2001).


If I remember correctly she was DQ'd at the '92 Olympics and turned to the Marathon in disgust.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby uakari » Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:58 am

andyjgt wrote:Apparently Brazilian Luciana Mendes, of 1:58.2x fame from 1994, competed in the 800 in Atlanta '96, then switched to the TJ for Sydney '00, then went back to the 800 for Athens '04 (having run 1:59.11 that year)! That's (or would be!) an amazing double!


how good was she as a TJ?

a few women were quite good in the LJ/TJ and HJ, like lowe and aldama, i think.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby uakari » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:00 am

you know, a race walker/long distance runner combo is unusual, but i'd be really impressed with a race walker/long distance runner AND sprinter combo!

was there not at one olympics a marathoner from a small country that was pressed into service for the 4x100 relay at one p[oint?
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby gh » Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:26 am

you're probably thinking of Fernando Mamede, who ran the 800, 1500 and 4x4 in ’72 and by ’84 had moved up to the 10K.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby TN1965 » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:47 am

Mamo Wolde also ran 4x400 in 1956 (along with 800 and 1500) before winning the marathon in 1968.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby iain » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:55 pm

Not athletics, but at London 2012, Eva Rizstoff swam in Hungary's 4x100m before winning the 10k open water event.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby aaronk » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:10 am

Can't remember who it was.....maybe Ky Westbrook, the HS sprinter??......who, besides sprinting, also had a SP mark of 45 feet.
It's from this year.
Anyone know who I'm talking about?

ADD: Yes, it was Westbrook! Looked her up on Athletics.net. On April 24, at the Chandler City meet, she SP 47-9. She had a 45 footer at another meet a week or two later.
There are multis people who do SP and sprint, but usually not as good in the shot as Westbrook.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby TN1965 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:35 pm

Just found this on IAAF's bio page.

Rita Jeptoo has a PV record of 2.05 from 1998 at age 17.

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/rita ... nei-132798
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Powell » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:00 am

nevetsllim wrote:So, at the European Junior Champs today, 17-year-old Anezha Drahotova won the 10,000m walk this morning in a Czech junior and senior record of 44:15.87. On the same day, she then came out to qualify for the 3000m steeplechase final with 10:20.17 (PB 10:10.45) and she's also on the entry-list for the 5000m!

She has a fast 20kmW PB of 1:30:54 so I'd imagine this is what she will focus on in the seniors but she's a talented all-rounder it seems.


Coming back to Drahotova, she also competed in last year's World Cycling Championships :!: finishing 19th in the junior road race. And she finished 7th in the junior race at the 2012 World Mountain Running Championships.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby dukehjsteve » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:44 am

A long time ago I think I read somewhere that Parry O'Brien was California HS state champ in the SP, no surprise there, but also was 3rd in the 100 at the state meet. Does anyone know anything about this ?

Also Billy Cannon, LSU football great, was a very very good sprinter, but also threw the SP. Any info on him ?
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby mal » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:34 am

uakari wrote:you know, a race walker/long distance runner combo is unusual, but i'd be really impressed with a race walker/long distance runner AND sprinter combo!

was there not at one olympics a marathoner from a small country that was pressed into service for the 4x100 relay at one p[oint?


I had an older team mate who was an Olympic walker. He said that once they went around the corner from the judges they all became long distance runners. I also remember on becoming a sprinter in the home stretch to win the Gold. I think it was Mexico. With the Silver guy waving his arms for help from the judges. Maybe my memory is wrong?
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby MJR » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:03 pm

yes, your memory is wrong.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby houstonian » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:21 pm

Brea Garrett -- Arlington (TX) Martin HS / Texas State Meet 2011:
5A shot put Champion 46'0.5"
5A 100m Hurdles Champion 13.70
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby KDFINE » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:38 am

Not that it was anything to write home about, but in the 1961 U.S. national team tour of Europe Cliff Cushman filled in n the triple jump (sorry, then still the hop-step-and jump with a 4th (last) place leap of 45'-1-3/4", nearly 3' behind the 3rd place finisher. I think those dual meets were scored 5-3-2-1 so he was doing it for the team. In the intermediates he was second to Dixon Farmer, with both running 51.3.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:23 pm

aaronk wrote:Can't remember who it was.....maybe Ky Westbrook, the HS sprinter??......who, besides sprinting, also had a SP mark of 45 feet.
It's from this year.
Anyone know who I'm talking about?

ADD: Yes, it was Westbrook! Looked her up on Athletics.net. On April 24, at the Chandler City meet, she SP 47-9. She had a 45 footer at another meet a week or two later.
There are multis people who do SP and sprint, but usually not as good in the shot as Westbrook.


Her dad was a pretty good football player.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby Per Andersen » Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:16 pm

Scott Russell - Canadian record, JT 84.81 (278-3) and WT 22.40 (73-6). HT 66.57 (218-5) + close to 60ft SP.
Jose Telles da Conceicao, Brazil - Bronze HJ 1952. 6th 200 1956.
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Re: Unusual doubles

Postby br » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:31 am

John Brenner: shot: 73-10 3/4 (22.52m), discus: 218-7 (66.62m), hammer: 211-1 (64.34m), javelin (old javelin?): 229-2 (69.86m).

Just wondering if there has ever been a thread about the best throwers in the 4 major disciplines?
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