Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France


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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby batonless relay » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:47 pm

ATK wrote:I don't see how that is possible or even makes sense. This is not an "international" meet in the sense that countries have nothing to do with entering athletes here. Any open athlete can compete as long as they are accepted by the meet director. As far as I know, national governing bodies have almost nothing to do with the "circuit" racing that athletes do. (circuit is a pretty vague term also. The little pop up meets can technically be as much part of the European circuit as much as the diamond league unless there is an IAAF definition I'm missing)

This is from the IAAF rule book http://www.usatf.org/groups/officials/f ... 2-2013.pdf

RULE 4
Requirements to Compete in International Competitions
1. No athlete may take part in an International Competition unless he:
(a) is a member of a Club affiliated to a Member; or
(b) is himself affiliated to a Member; or
(c) has otherwise agreed to abide by the rules of a Member;
and
(d) for International Competitions at which the IAAF is responsible
for doping control (see Rule 35.7), has signed an agreement in a
form set by the IAAF by which he agrees to be bound by the
Rules and Regulations (as amended from time to time) and to
submit all disputes he may have with the IAAF or a Member to
arbitration only in accordance with these Rules, accepting not to
refer any such disputes to any Court or authority which is not
provided for in these Rules.
2. Members may require that no athlete or Club affiliated to the Member
may take part in an International Competition in a foreign Country or
Territory without the Member’s written approval. In such a case, no
Member hosting a competition shall allow any foreign athlete or Club
of the Member in question to take part without evidence of such
permit certifying that the athlete or Club is eligible and permitted to
compete in the Country or Territory concerned.
Members shall notify
the IAAF of all such permit requirements. To facilitate compliance
with this Rule, the IAAF shall maintain on its website a list of
Members with such requirements.
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:48 pm

ATK; go read gh's post above. It seems his comment is that the Feds do have control. However, if they exercise it, it might well go to CAS and be tossed out.
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby ATK » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:36 pm

Apologies for not checking the exact rules. But it kinda makes no sense to me.

So if i'm visiting Italy for a month in July, and a small meet is being setup, its "illegal" for me to ask/pay for entry to the event, throw on spikes and run a race? Or is it that my race result would just not count for anything? Also, what does international competition mean as in what if you have dual citizenship but never represented a country in any competition yet?
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby Smoke » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:19 pm

No one competes on the circuit as a representative of anything other than themselves. Independent contractors.
Those international competitions are in reference to specific events such as world champs and the ilk. Not the circuit.
Anyone can run in a circuit meet, and everyone does. If they can buy a ticket, book a hotel room and get entered in a meet they are free to run, unless suspended by WADA or black balled by the meets
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby norunner » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:00 am

Smoke wrote:Those international competitions are in reference to specific events such as world champs and the ilk. Not the circuit.
That doesn't make sense either, because only national federations are allowed to enter athletes at world champs etc. So if that rule only applies to those kinds of events, why bother mention Clubs at all?
However this may be the important part: "Members shall notify
the IAAF of all such permit requirements. To facilitate compliance
with this Rule, the IAAF shall maintain on its website a list of
Members with such requirements."
Has anyone checked the IAAF page if that list is there and which countries are on it?
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby andyjgt » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:18 am

I remember Adere not being allowed to run a DL (or whatever it was then) meeting just after the 2004 OGs after she was deselected from the OG team, it was said on the old IAAF forum that she was refused clearance by the Ethiopian federation, (I also remember either Mump or Flump said it was ridiculous that that should be the case...)
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby lapsus » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:24 am

t_monk wrote:..... So Muna Lee running 11.39 and Anderson runs 11.36.... But weren't these girls running 11 flat and faster 2 or so weeks ago? Oh dear.... They must have been running in a hurricane that caused them to run this slow OR just plain horrible conditions..... Oh no.... Ahoure PB'd here too and the wind reading was +1.5....

Uh, the reason is that 2 weeks ago they were in peak condition? US athletes have to peak for their trials just to make the team, you know. After making the team there is then always the dilemma of how to best time a second peak for the main event while adjusting to the time difference in Europe or Asia.

It is more common than not for US athletes in this situation to have very mediocre times in their first meet(s) in Europe, especially the non-superstar ones. So a bad result from one random meet means exactly nothing, while Ahoure's great time does mean she is in great shape and a potential threat in Moscow.

Now, if Anderson's next races - I assume there are some - don't see her returning to, say, 11.1x level, then you can start to make some conclusions that she may not be able to reproduce her trials form in Moscow.
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby betterthanb4 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:52 pm

I would like for Ahoure to bring this sort of form In Moscow.
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby run4urlyfe » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:11 am

betterthanb4 wrote:I would like for Ahoure to bring this sort of form In Moscow.


I see Ahoure as a scavenger she will eat if others allow her to. She has a shot only if Fraser and Okgabare have a major screw up or if Jeter is still not back to form. If those three ladies are on their a game Ahoure will simply be a finalist.
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby batonless relay » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:33 am

run4urlyfe wrote:
betterthanb4 wrote:I would like for Ahoure to bring this sort of form In Moscow.


I see Ahoure as a scavenger she will eat if others allow her to. She has a shot only if Fraser and Okgabare have a major screw up or if Jeter is still not back to form. If those three ladies are on their a game Ahoure will simply be a finalist.

She MIGHT be a scavenger, but she just might have made the technical transformation that allows her to step up in class, not unlike Madison from last year. Ahoure is already as fast or faster than any of the 10.7/8 women by indoor 60 PB and she is as fast as the 10.7/8 women by outdoor 200 SB - in the year the athletes ran their 10.7/8. It is very possible that Ahoure, like Okagbare, like Fraser-Pryce, like Jeter (or Simpson and Stewart or Edwards before them) could be ready for the podium without ANY mistakes from the others.
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby jamal00005 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:59 am

batonless relay wrote:
run4urlyfe wrote:
betterthanb4 wrote:I would like for Ahoure to bring this sort of form In Moscow.


I see Ahoure as a scavenger she will eat if others allow her to. She has a shot only if Fraser and Okgabare have a major screw up or if Jeter is still not back to form. If those three ladies are on their a game Ahoure will simply be a finalist.

She MIGHT be a scavenger, but she just might have made the technical transformation that allows her to step up in class, not unlike Madison from last year. Ahoure is already as fast or faster than any of the 10.7/8 women by indoor 60 PB and she is as fast as the 10.7/8 women by outdoor 200 SB - in the year the athletes ran their 10.7/8. It is very possible that Ahoure, like Okagbare, like Fraser-Pryce, like Jeter (or Simpson and Stewart or Edwards before them) could be ready for the podium without ANY mistakes from the others.

For some reason I see Ahoure as a better 200m than 100m and its really strange since she has one of the better starts .
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby justrunfast » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:06 pm

jamal00005 wrote:
batonless relay wrote:
run4urlyfe wrote:
betterthanb4 wrote:I would like for Ahoure to bring this sort of form In Moscow.


I see Ahoure as a scavenger she will eat if others allow her to. She has a shot only if Fraser and Okgabare have a major screw up or if Jeter is still not back to form. If those three ladies are on their a game Ahoure will simply be a finalist.

She MIGHT be a scavenger, but she just might have made the technical transformation that allows her to step up in class, not unlike Madison from last year. Ahoure is already as fast or faster than any of the 10.7/8 women by indoor 60 PB and she is as fast as the 10.7/8 women by outdoor 200 SB - in the year the athletes ran their 10.7/8. It is very possible that Ahoure, like Okagbare, like Fraser-Pryce, like Jeter (or Simpson and Stewart or Edwards before them) could be ready for the podium without ANY mistakes from the others.

For some reason I see Ahoure as a better 200m than 100m and its really strange since she has one of the better starts .


You can see from Ahoure's 100m runs this year she has not been able to execute her 100m race pattern consistently yet but it is improving rapidly plus with the ability she has it is bound to come, the 60m if you have a great start you've basically won, 200m you have a lot more time to set up your race and any minor errors may not effect your time much but in the 100m the smallest mistake is the difference between say 10.9 and 11.1 which is massive.

I reckon if she gets it right in the final in Moscow she will be in with a shout for a medal in the 100m.

I think a good 60m is a very good asset to have but very overvalued compared to acceleration and the ability to slow the rate of deceleration.

Take SAFP for example Ahoure is probably on par with her in terms of 60m but 9/10 times SAFP will beat her and the only person who can catch SAFP on her best day is a fully fit Jeter.

Acceleration>Great Start !!
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby starboyunlimited » Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:25 pm

Video Murielle Ahoure 10.91 : http://youtu.be/7LS88BGbdFc
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby betterthanb4 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:51 pm

starboyunlimited wrote:Video Murielle Ahoure 10.91 : http://youtu.be/7LS88BGbdFc


Thanks. She got a cracking start and kept going. Now, if Murielle can bring the same form In Moscow she'll be in the mix for a medal for sure.
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby ATK » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:50 pm

Great sportsmanship shown by the ladies after the race congratulating Ahoure
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Re: Murielle Ahoure 10.91s in France

Postby run4urlyfe » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:44 am

ATK wrote:Great sportsmanship shown by the ladies after the race congratulating Ahoure



Ivet Lalova really seems to have a very warm, sweet, and genuine personality. She has greated alot of the winners she races against in a similar manner.
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