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Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:34 am

http://www.diamondleague-paris.com/en/L ... 00m-Women/

Order Athlete Nation PB SB

1-1 GIDEY Roman ETH 16:40.75
1-2 TWELL Stephanie GBR 14:54.08 15:30.88
1-3 YALEW Genet ETH 14:48.43 15:04.38
1-4 GODFAY Afera ETH 15:01.20 15:31.78
1-5 UTURA Sule ETH 14:44.21 15:17.34
1-6 ARESON Jackie AUS 15:14.31 15:27.36
1-7 HUDDLE Molly USA 14:44.76 15:05.56
1-8 HASTINGS Amy USA 15:14.31 15:17.35
1-9 DUARTE Sophie FRA 15:46.01 15:46.01
1-10 HAROYE Alemitu ETH 15:05.08 15:05.08
1-11 BURKA Gelete ETH 14:31.20 14:52.93
1-12 AYANA Almaz ETH 14:52.42 14:52.42
1-13 DIRIBA Buze ETH 14:50.02 14:50.02
1-14 DIBABA Tirunesh ETH 14:11.15 14:42.01
1-15 ANDERSON Gabriele USA 15:45.99
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:42 am

If they run for time, look for Huddle to possibly break her own AR, and for Hastings to go sub-15:00!
Both are in great shape, and have run impressively this year.
Wonder if Dibaba will go for a 2013 Season Leader, as it's held by her arch-foe, Defar!!
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby kuha » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:49 am

aaronk wrote:If they run for time


And how often have we seen that recently?
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby Master Po » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:37 am

Anything can happen, I guess, which is why they keep running these races, rather than just submitting statistical histories and patterns. However...kuha's question suggests what we are likely to see...

In the 4+ seasons (2009-now) since Dibaba & Defar lowered the WR, there have been 18 women's 5k races won in times faster than 14:40 (assuming I didn't miscount). Vivian Cheruiyot was the winner in 7 of those; Defar in 5; T. Dibaba in 3; and one each for Masai, Melkamu, & Ejigu. Among these 18 races, just four went sub-14:30. Cheruiyot produced two of those winners; Defar the other two. So, based on this recent history, Dibaba seems among the elites in this event to be least likely to go for a very fast time, unless someone takes such a challenge to her. And, as I look at this field -- good as it is -- there isn't anyone here in her league, with the only one in the outside range of Dibaba's league being Burka. I will also guess that Dibaba doesn't care about the WL, but what do I know? (Answer: Not much.)

On the other hand, Dibaba hasn't contested this event much since 2010, and her SB 14:42 is the fastest time she has run at this distance since 2010's 14:34, so perhaps she may want to test herself a bit against the clock. (Reminder: See answer to "What do I know?" above.)

On the third hand, in a field this deep, a fast-ish winning time (14:40s) -- depending on how it's run -- might pull some of the "lesser" athletes to very fast performances of their own.

And, whatever happens, I am actually interested in the performances and outcomes. :)
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:25 am

up next on the track.
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:45 am

Master Po wrote:Anything can happen, I guess, which is why they keep running these races, rather than just submitting statistical histories and patterns. However...kuha's question suggests what we are likely to see...

In the 4+ seasons (2009-now) since Dibaba & Defar lowered the WR, there have been 18 women's 5k races won in times faster than 14:40 (assuming I didn't miscount). Vivian Cheruiyot was the winner in 7 of those; Defar in 5; T. Dibaba in 3; and one each for Masai, Melkamu, & Ejigu. Among these 18 races, just four went sub-14:30. Cheruiyot produced two of those winners; Defar the other two. So, based on this recent history, Dibaba seems among the elites in this event to be least likely to go for a very fast time, unless someone takes such a challenge to her. And, as I look at this field -- good as it is -- there isn't anyone here in her league, with the only one in the outside range of Dibaba's league being Burka. I will also guess that Dibaba doesn't care about the WL, but what do I know? (Answer: Not much.)

On the other hand, Dibaba hasn't contested this event much since 2010, and her SB 14:42 is the fastest time she has run at this distance since 2010's 14:34, so perhaps she may want to test herself a bit against the clock. (Reminder: See answer to "What do I know?" above.)

On the third hand, in a field this deep, a fast-ish winning time (14:40s) -- depending on how it's run -- might pull some of the "lesser" athletes to very fast performances of their own.

And, whatever happens, I am actually interested in the performances and outcomes. :)

Where is Vivian Cheruiyot by the way ? I love Dibaba nice young lady
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:51 am

Results
http://www.diamondleague-paris.com/en/L ... 00m-Women/


1 DIBABA Tirunesh ETH 14:23.68 WL,MR
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby Blues » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:16 am

jamal00005 wrote:Where is Vivian Cheruiyot by the way ? I love Dibaba nice young lady


Cheruiyot is pregnant.
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby Master Po » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:39 am

betterthanb4 wrote:Results
http://www.diamondleague-paris.com/en/L ... 00m-Women/


1 DIBABA Tirunesh ETH 14:23.68 WL,MR



^Great performance by Dibaba. Her 3rd fastest time ever, and fastest in 5 years. #7 all-time performance. In the sub-14:25 club, Dibaba now has 3; Defar has 3, & Cheruiyot has 2 (Shobukhova & Abeylegesse, 1 each).

Also, a major PB by Ayana (& #6 a-t performer) -- previous best was 14:52 (Hengelo, a month ago). She has primarily been a steepler, and this is just her 4th outing at 5km. Credit to her for going way beyond her previous limits in this event and for bringing a challenge to Dibaba. From the splits it looks like Anderson gave them a good opening 2k, and then credit (again) to Ayana for not letting the pace lag too much in the 3rd km , as she must have run about 2:55. 4th km ~2:58, and then Dibaba's last km in 2:45.40.

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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:17 pm

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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby mump boy » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:02 pm

Baby Face is always impressive, is now No1 and did what she needed to do but she didn't look on top form to me and 62 last lap is not going to scare Defar
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby Alan Shank » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:23 pm

Preliminary start lists had Genzebe in 5 also. What happened? I can't get to the Paris DL website right now; wanted to see whether she was listed as DNS or not at all.

Pace: 2:51.83, 5:45.20 (2.53.37), 8:40.53 (2:55.33), 11:38.28 (2:57.75) 2:45.40
Dibaba's last lap was 62 high. It's interesting; the last kilos of Genzebe's 14:45, Tirunesh's 14:42, Defar's 14:26 and this race were all in the 2:45 range. They are finishing the same off of faster and faster paces. The pacemaking was good (apparently, didn't see much). Dibaba and Defar have both been running harder from 3-laps out, unlike they used to.

Ayana ran a 9:22.51 back in 2010 for a WJR, hasn't bettered that. Her enroute 3K today was a PB for that distance! Her prior best 5 was a win in 14:52 in Hengelo June 8.

So, whom do the Ethiopians pick for the 5000? Will Genzebe go for the 15?
Fascinating stuff!
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby TN1965 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:27 pm

Jackie Areson ran an A standard (15:12).

Does this mean she will represent Australia in Moscow?
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:06 pm

mump boy wrote:Baby Face is always impressive, is now No1 and did what she needed to do but she didn't look on top form to me and 62 last lap is not going to scare Defar

She is playing games....doesnt want Defar to know how strong she is at this point.
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby mump boy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:17 am

Ayana's run has really complicated selection

Dibaba and Defar are shoe ins but Baby D can't run 14.25 right now but would certainly be a favourite in a slower championship race. How do ETH select their team anyway ? do they have trials ?
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby Alan Shank » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:17 am

Alan Shank wrote:Preliminary start lists had Genzebe in 5 also. What happened? I can't get to the Paris DL website right now; wanted to see whether she was listed as DNS or not at all.


I finally got to the Paris DL site and the results; "Baby Baby" was not listed as DNS, so apparently she withdrew before, or was never actually entered in the first place. Too bad. She has never run a sub-14:30, so it would have been a good chance to do so, as the pacing was excellent.

Molly Huddle still stuck over 15; her AR is long past and she has never approached that form again. Amy Hastings 15:28.79.
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby TN1965 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:10 pm

mump boy wrote:Ayana's run has really complicated selection

Dibaba and Defar are shoe ins but Baby D can't run 14.25 right now but would certainly be a favourite in a slower championship race. How do ETH select their team anyway ? do they have trials ?


They don't have trials. In the past, they emphasized the SB time for the selection.
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby mump boy » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:32 pm

TN1965 wrote:
mump boy wrote:Ayana's run has really complicated selection

Dibaba and Defar are shoe ins but Baby D can't run 14.25 right now but would certainly be a favourite in a slower championship race. How do ETH select their team anyway ? do they have trials ?


They don't have trials. In the past, they emphasized the SB time for the selection.


Selecting Ayana over Baby D would be very silly. It's not all about times
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby Master Po » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:29 pm

Ayana ran a 9:35.08 steeple just two days (4 July, Lausanne) before putting her name on the world all-time 5k list with this 14:25. Just like everyone else, I have no idea how her career as a 5k runner might develop, but the fact that she ran a reasonably high quality steeple 2 days before a 14:25 suggests to me that she may have a lot more potential in this event that what we saw in this race.
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby rsb2 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:48 pm

Tough selection, as I see it. Good thing there are "no rules"...
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby jamal00005 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:05 pm

mump boy wrote:
TN1965 wrote:
mump boy wrote:Ayana's run has really complicated selection

Dibaba and Defar are shoe ins but Baby D can't run 14.25 right now but would certainly be a favourite in a slower championship race. How do ETH select their team anyway ? do they have trials ?


They don't have trials. In the past, they emphasized the SB time for the selection.


Selecting Ayana over Baby D would be very silly. It's not all about times

I wouldnt select Baby D
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby huntinwr » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:56 pm

Truly depressing that the first American woman is 47 seconds out. I wonder why our men are now competitive on a world level but our women are so far away...even 3:00 minutes into the race no one is remotely near the lead group. :(
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Re: Paris DL- W 5000m

Postby pickle47 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:18 pm

The Salazar group hasn't had a top notch woman to work with since K Goucher left...until now. Give them some time and the new additions to the group will be running up nearer the front.
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