Paris DL- W100m


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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby tm71 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:49 pm

Smoke wrote:Blues do not interrupt jamboy with facts. He needs his fantasies to continue his fanboy antics.

Funny how the entire hurdle crew ran faster or on par with their times from that downhill, windy track in Iowa.

Cherry pick much?


so funny but true !
add to the above mike Rodgers set his SB in lausanne.
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby t_monk » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:33 am

Smoke wrote:Blues do not interrupt jamboy with facts. He needs his fantasies to continue his fanboy antics.

Funny how the entire hurdle crew ran faster or on par with their times from that downhill, windy track in Iowa.

Cherry pick much?


By hurdles crew you mean Oliver (who was always on an upward trajectory even before the trials and so has been getting better from before trials) and Merritt (who hadn't run any real competitive races leading up to the trials and was still cautious about his hamstring), right? Whilst practically everyone else has regressed.

Harper amongst the females improved.... But technically she only ran in the first round at the trials so we don't really know what she was capable of in those conditions.

Also let's not forget that unlike the flat 100/200 where tail winds are simply always a good thing and head winds are always a bad thing.... such winds can actually be more detrimental than positive. So for some hurdlers they would have ran better in such conditions while others would simply crash out or not compete as well.
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby Smoke » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:17 am

t_monk Oliver, Wilson, Richardson, Merritt, Omo, and Stewart have all run as faster or faster in various venues since the US nationals. And check the winds my friend on those races. Still tailwinds out there. I would say nice try but it was not.
Wilson just ran his second fastest time of the season in Paris. Richardson ran a season best (non windy), Oliver dropped a season in Lausanne.
You can keep dancing but you are not dancing to the music playing on the speakers my friend. It is ok, I have long sat around watching your butt hurt tactics. Some free advice, stop posting from your emotion, it is killing your already shaky logic. LOL
no amount of spinning will change the FACT that the hurdlers are running as fast or faster than Iowa.
Here let me help you out so you can walk away with your head up. Des Moines has proven to be a fast track, especially for hurdlers over the years. And the results continually prove that out. I would put Iowa on par with Paris, Eugene, Lausanne, and maybe Berlin for hurdles. These have generally been fast tracks. Barring weather. So far, the results hold to this theory.
Conversely, following the toughest meet in the world, that being US nationals, it is encouraging to see many able to maintain their levels in the weeks since. I know MANY are training again to prepare for Moscow. Making Paris and Lausanne results quite impressive.
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:06 am

Blues wrote:
jamboy wrote:Alexandria Anderson who ran 10.91 (+1.7w) from the US trials could only run 11.36 for 6th today in France.

Munal Lee 11.00 (+1.7w) at the US trials could only get 7th in 11.39.

All these US runners finally back down to earth.


Lekeisha Lawson 11.17 +2.0 at the US trials, 11.18 +1.5 for 3rd today in France
Chauntae Bayne 11.15 +2.0 at the US trials, 11.19 +1.5 for 4th today in France

I guess these two don't know how to utilize the benefits of a downhill US track.... :roll:


But they have different incentives. For them the season is RIGHT NOW. They need to continue at their peak, not drop back to hard training to get to the top for the Worlds.
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby justrunfast » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:48 am

tm71 wrote:
t_monk wrote:
jamboy wrote:Can't wait to see when Brianna Rollins makes her DL debut in Europe. I expect to run "average" times and nothing close to her 12.26 at the US trials.


I expect Rollins to be in and around where ever Dawn Harper is. Average time would be 12.7x (what Pearson running now), I expect her 12.5x thereabouts.


I don't think Rollins will run that many races prior to Moscow so u won't have any times to average. I think she is only scheduled to run in Monaco. Btw SAFP run .24 off her PB which is about the same time off Gardner was off her PR in Paris. Maybe she set PR at the "downhill" track at the boonies in iowa (written with tons of sarcasm). The only female sprinters that are running at their best right now or fairly close to that in the last two weeks are okgabare and ahoure.



This so true people seem not to comment on SAFP because she is winning why didn't any of the Posters who are so certain the US sprint times are dodgy have an answer for this?
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby Flumpy » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:07 am

Because SAFP didn't set her PB last week.
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby justrunfast » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:30 am

Flumpy wrote:Because SAFP didn't set her PB last week.


Even more reason for athletes to run slower than two weeks ago

Regardless of whether people think the times are dodgy setting a personal best has huge neurological and obvious physical affects on your body. Just simply because its something ou haven't done before.

The way people are going on its as if its the athletes fault like they chose were the trials should be. The date, the place is set the athletes just have to turn up if the clock is dodgy, weather and wind is favourable that's something out of their control. I can understand athletes going to certain meets where you can ran fast times but their national trials is a different story altogether.

I'm sure there must be other athletes on here who have this view
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby beebee » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:46 am

Facts...

1)The winner of our championships(Gardner) usually is on the podium of any Olympic or WC of that given year.
2)Americans normally have two to three ladies in championship finals.
3)Nothing in recent history would suggest that jamboy or t-monk's assessments are accurate.
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Re: Paris DL- W100m

Postby t_monk » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:09 pm

Smoke wrote:t_monk Oliver, Wilson, Richardson, Merritt, Omo, and Stewart have all run as faster or faster in various venues since the US nationals. And check the winds my friend on those races. Still tailwinds out there. I would say nice try but it was not.
Wilson just ran his second fastest time of the season in Paris. Richardson ran a season best (non windy), Oliver dropped a season in Lausanne.
You can keep dancing but you are not dancing to the music playing on the speakers my friend. It is ok, I have long sat around watching your butt hurt tactics. Some free advice, stop posting from your emotion, it is killing your already shaky logic. LOL
no amount of spinning will change the FACT that the hurdlers are running as fast or faster than Iowa.
Here let me help you out so you can walk away with your head up. Des Moines has proven to be a fast track, especially for hurdlers over the years. And the results continually prove that out. I would put Iowa on par with Paris, Eugene, Lausanne, and maybe Berlin for hurdles. These have generally been fast tracks. Barring weather. So far, the results hold to this theory.
Conversely, following the toughest meet in the world, that being US nationals, it is encouraging to see many able to maintain their levels in the weeks since. I know MANY are training again to prepare for Moscow. Making Paris and Lausanne results quite impressive.



Again.... Only Merritt and Oliver had actually improved from my knowledge. I know at least two of those guys haven't improved. One I am no sure about and the other (Stewart) I have no idea who that is.

I see that you saw the need to completely ignore the last part of my post. Let me repeat because you clearly did not see it:
Also let's not forget that unlike the flat 100/200 where tail winds are simply always a good thing and head winds are always a bad thing.... such winds can actually be more detrimental than positive. So for some hurdlers they would have ran better in such conditions while others would simply crash out or not compete as well.
Let me break that post down to you. It is hard to predict the effect that the wind or 'optimum conditions' will have on an athlete. For some the wind can disrupt stride patterns that could be detrimental to a hurdler causing on to run too close to the hurdles which in short can cause more harm than good.

P.S. Your definition 'entire' seems to be misguided at best because entire apparently doesn't mean female and only means half the male hurdlers that run for the US.
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