Lausanne DL- M100m


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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamboy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:31 am

DCSIGMA wrote:I really don't get asafa Powell....can somebody xplain it to me...he didn't look too great at nationals but bounces back real quick to run fast again...


Asafa has always been an Enigma.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamal00005 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:34 am

Well I think Asafa has run his way onto that 4x100m relay team.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby toyracer » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:35 am

DCSIGMA wrote:I really don't get asafa Powell....can somebody xplain it to me...he didn't look too great at nationals but bounces back real quick to run fast again...


Not in condition to run rounds, which bit him in the final at nationals.

9.88 is better than I expected, and good to see. Good run all the way to the end. Making a good case for inclusion in the relay pool. Trouncing two members of the relay pool certainly helps. He has a few opportunities before selection date, I hope he makes the best of them.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:35 am

jamal00005 wrote:Well I think Asafa has run his way onto that 4x100m relay team.


I concur 8-)
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:38 am

10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby tm71 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:41 am

26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...


it is not perfect sprinting weather though, cloudy and mid 60s. look how slow the women's 200 meters was.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamal00005 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:42 am

26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...

Me thinks Bailey-Cole will not run on that 4x100m relay..
Carter- Powell-Weir or Ashmeade -Bolt
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby The Flying Pigdog » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:44 am

jamal00005 wrote:
The Flying Pigdog wrote:I thought Merlene Ottey running her PR at age 36 was incredible, but Collins tops that.

He doesnt really .....a 36y/o woman running 10.74 trumps a 37y/o man running 9.97 every and any day


In that perspective taking the time into account yes, but I was simply talking about he topped her by doing it at age 37. In terms of relative rank at their events, Ottey was far superior than Collins is so her PR will naturally be more "superior" than Collin's...again, in a relative sense.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby shivfan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:45 am

Men's 100m....

1) Tyson Gay 9.79
2) Asafa Powell 9.88
3) Mike Rodgers 9.96
4) Kim Collins 9.97
5) Ashmeade 10.05
6) KBC 10.05

Powell MUST run in the relay....
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby ATK » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:47 am

26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...

You say it as if they asked for the wind, and as if they are all not capable of running the times they did today.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby 18.99s » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:48 am

jamal00005 wrote:Me thinks Bailey-Cole will not run on that 4x100m relay..
Carter- Powell-Weir or Ashmeade -Bolt


Bailey-Cole's problem is his start. He just stands up straight out of the blocks and immediately starts running upright. But that won't be a problem for the relay.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamboy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:51 am

jamal00005 wrote:
26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...

Me thinks Bailey-Cole will not run on that 4x100m relay..
Carter- Powell-Weir or Ashmeade -Bolt



Since Ashmeade is doubling and Bailey Cole only running the 100m and Bailey Cole finishing ahead of Ashemeade in the 100m at the trials, Ashmeade is less likely to be on the relays than Bailey Cole.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamboy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:52 am

18.99s wrote:
jamal00005 wrote:Me thinks Bailey-Cole will not run on that 4x100m relay..
Carter- Powell-Weir or Ashmeade -Bolt


Bailey-Cole's problem is his start. He just stands up straight out of the blocks and immediately starts running upright. But that won't be a problem for the relay.



Bailey Cole ran a great anchor in the heats in London.

Here is the race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYsusrFHGdg
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamboy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:54 am

shivfan wrote:Men's 100m....

1) Tyson Gay 9.79
2) Asafa Powell 9.88
3) Mike Rodgers 9.96
4) Kim Collins 9.97
5) Ashmeade 10.05
6) KBC 10.05

Powell MUST run in the relay....


Don't worry, he will. He wants a gold medal and he will get it if he runs. He won't anchor however. Anchor duties have been reserved for Asafa.


My relay team is Carter to Asafa to Weir to Bolt in 36.99.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby Dave » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:56 am

ATK wrote:
26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...

You say it as if they asked for the wind, and as if they are all not capable of running the times they did today.


Not to mention that other British sprinters have run in 2.0 wind and did not achieve this result.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby 18.99s » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:58 am

jamboy wrote:Don't worry, he will. He wants a gold medal and he will get it if he runs. He won't anchor however. Anchor duties have been reserved for Asafa.

Do you mean reserved for Bolt?
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby athlete101 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:01 pm

26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...


What a pathetic comment to make about Kim Collins
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby rainy.here » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:02 pm

DCSIGMA wrote:I really don't get asafa Powell....can somebody xplain it to me...he didn't look too great at nationals but bounces back real quick to run fast again...


Powell has been doing this most of his career. He's struggled to hit his peak at the right time, and very regularly runs SBs in the 2-3 weeks after major events. It's often due to training setbacks from injury, but he's a much better 1-round runner than a multi-round runner.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby toyracer » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:07 pm

Let's be clear;

By JAAA rule the following four are automatically in the relay pool.

Usain Bolt.
Kemar Bailey-Cole
Nickel Ashmeade
Nesta Carter

With a Champions Exemption Yohan Blake is automatically in the pool for selection despite not competing at the national championships. According to the JAAA this is an IAAF rule.

That leaves one spot in the pool if Blake goes to Moscow. By recent tradition the two persons that fill this spot are the 5th and 6th place finishers in the 100m:

Jason Livermore
Oshane Bailey

Asafa Powell is on the outside looking in. Finishing seventh puts him in a bad spot, which is why he literally has to run his way into consideration. He is fortunate that there is a clause that allows selection rather than qualification.

From the JAAA:

SELECTION CRITERIA

1. Athletes must compete in the National Championships unless an exemption has been granted by the JAAA.

2. Athletes placing in the first four positions in the 100M & 400M will be named to the relay pool. The remaining members of the relay pool will be selected by the JAAA selection committee.
As mandated by the IAAF, athletes who are selected to run individual 100M/400M are automatic members of the relay pool. It is a condition for selection that the athletes selected for the relay pool must be available when required for relay practice. Athletes who fail to make themselves available may not be allowed to participate in the competition.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby shivfan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:12 pm

2. Athletes placing in the first four positions in the 100M & 400M will be named to the relay pool. The remaining members of the relay pool will be selected by the JAAA selection committee.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby TeWaio » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:13 pm

eldanielfire wrote:
18.99s wrote:Kim Collins 4th in 9.97 PB and NR at 37 years old!



He is amazing! This is literally my favourite result of the year :)


Me too! I f--king love Kim Collins! And him firing a shot at his national federation (in his typical oh-so-gentlemanly manner) in the interview afterwards was great!
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby ATK » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:13 pm

That rule by JAAA basically says after the first 4, they can pick whoever they want to run the relay as long as they competed at trials in some form.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby 18.99s » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:18 pm

toyracer wrote:Let's be clear;

By JAAA rule the following four are automatically in the relay pool.

Usain Bolt.
Kemar Bailey-Cole
Nickel Ashmeade
Nesta Carter

With a Champions Exemption Yohan Blake is automatically in the pool for selection despite not competing at the national championships. According to the JAAA this is an IAAF rule.

That leaves one spot in the pool if Blake goes to Moscow. By recent tradition the two persons that fill this spot are the 5th and 6th place finishers in the 100m:

Jason Livermore
Oshane Bailey


It makes sense to name AP and OB to the list of 6 relay runners they'll submit to the IAAF. Livermore is in the individual 200m, so they can still choose him for the relay even if he isn't on the list of 6.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby toyracer » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:19 pm

ATK wrote:That rule by JAAA basically says after the first 4, they can pick whoever they want to run the relay as long as they competed at trials in some form.


Basically, but this is important:

"As mandated by the IAAF, athletes who are selected to run individual 100M/400M are automatic members of the relay pool"

If Yohan Blake is fit and runs in Moscow that means he runs the individual 100m which places him in the pool, which already has four persons. Only six are allowed to be named for the pool. So right now Asafa is running to displace Livermore and Bailey.

If Blake is declared unfit and not going to Moscow two things happen. The first is that Bolt's DL exemption comes into play and Nesta Carter can be selected for the individual 100m, so Jamaica enters four men in the event anyway. The second is that there will be two spots in the relay pool, making it easier for the selectors to name Asafa.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby ATK » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:25 pm

toyracer wrote:
ATK wrote:That rule by JAAA basically says after the first 4, they can pick whoever they want to run the relay as long as they competed at trials in some form.


Basically, but this is important:

"As mandated by the IAAF, athletes who are selected to run individual 100M/400M are automatic members of the relay pool"

If Yohan Blake is fit and runs in Moscow that means he runs the individual 100m which places him in the pool, which already has four persons. Only six are allowed to be named for the pool. So right now Asafa is running to displace Livermore and Bailey.

If Blake is declared unfit and not going to Moscow two things happen. The first is that Bolt's DL exemption comes into play and Nesta Carter can be selected for the individual 100m, so Jamaica enters four men in the event anyway. The second is that there will be two spots in the relay pool, making it easier for the selectors to name Asafa.

What your also forgetting is that the IAAF allows anyone who is already at champs to run the relay. (shot putter, pole vaulter etc.) Livermore us already in the 200 so he will be in Moscow.

If Powell runs another race faster than Oshane this month, he will be in Moscow.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby betterthanb4 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:54 pm

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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:11 pm

athlete101 wrote:
26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...


What a pathetic comment to make about Kim Collins


I do not think that it fits tht meaning of pathetic. He handily beat members of Jamaica's sprint team, so it is rather good on that score. I agree he has covered a great span with quality performance. I think that he would like to get the record with his best race, not something made a bit easy with a 2.0 wind. However, Gay ran 'only' 9.79; being only 0.18 behind one of this season's top-2 is a good sign as well. Since he competes well, I think he can make the finals, although the rounds and heat placement can make it a bit of a crapshoot for all but the top 4 or so.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby justrunfast » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:25 pm

26mi235 wrote:
athlete101 wrote:
26mi235 wrote:10.16 basic for the two Jamaicans is not great for April, much less a July DL meet. Even the time by Gay and Powell are merely 9.90 and 10.00 basic. Collins got his NR the easy way...


What a pathetic comment to make about Kim Collins


I do not think that it fits tht meaning of pathetic. He handily beat members of Jamaica's sprint team, so it is rather good on that score. I agree he has covered a great span with quality performance. I think that he would like to get the record with his best race, not something made a bit easy with a 2.0 wind. However, Gay ran 'only' 9.79; being only 0.18 behind one of this season's top-2 is a good sign as well. Since he competes well, I think he can make the finals, although the rounds and heat placement can make it a bit of a crapshoot for all but the top 4 or so.


"9.97 the easy way" :lol: the race Collins ran suggests he could run another pb by the end of the year maybe a 9.95?

To say it was easy because of the 2.0 wind is a bit pathetic the guy has ran well this year and from his interview seems to be training effectively at 37 years old. Maybe that's what made it "easy"
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby Weights&Shoes » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:50 pm

I thought Kim Collins is done competing at major championships for his country after the mess in London last year?
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby don1 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:56 pm

18.99s wrote:
toyracer wrote:Let's be clear;

By JAAA rule the following four are automatically in the relay pool.

Usain Bolt.
Kemar Bailey-Cole
Nickel Ashmeade
Nesta Carter

With a Champions Exemption Yohan Blake is automatically in the pool for selection despite not competing at the national championships. According to the JAAA this is an IAAF rule.

That leaves one spot in the pool if Blake goes to Moscow. By recent tradition the two persons that fill this spot are the 5th and 6th place finishers in the 100m:

Jason Livermore
Oshane Bailey


It makes sense to name AP and OB to the list of 6 relay runners they'll submit to the IAAF. Livermore is in the individual 200m, so they can still choose him for the relay even if he isn't on the list of 6.


Yes. Asafa's inclusion is pretty straightforward because of Livermore qualifying for the 200m. However, if Blake is fit enough to run they will have to choose between Asafa and Bailey. Asafa should still get the nod in my opinion.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamboy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:55 pm

18.99s wrote:
jamboy wrote:Don't worry, he will. He wants a gold medal and he will get it if he runs. He won't anchor however. Anchor duties have been reserved for Asafa.

Do you mean reserved for Bolt?


Bolt. Yes.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby jamboy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:58 pm

Asafa's 9.88 today is his 81st sub 10.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby Fielding Melish » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:01 pm

Not only did Powell extend his world record for lifetime sub-10.00s (81) he also did so for lifetime sub-9.90s (38).

Gay closing in on lifetime sub-9.80s:

10 - Bolt
9 - Gay
8 - Powell

(all numbers above wind-legal only).
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby Vielleicht » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:38 pm

rfv wrote:Kim Collins could have gone much faster.
His reaction time was just too slow, 0.216.

Strangely this has been the case in his last races - considering he's known as a blistering starter, well... :roll:
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby toyracer » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:24 pm

ATK wrote:
toyracer wrote:
ATK wrote:That rule by JAAA basically says after the first 4, they can pick whoever they want to run the relay as long as they competed at trials in some form.


Basically, but this is important:

"As mandated by the IAAF, athletes who are selected to run individual 100M/400M are automatic members of the relay pool"

If Yohan Blake is fit and runs in Moscow that means he runs the individual 100m which places him in the pool, which already has four persons. Only six are allowed to be named for the pool. So right now Asafa is running to displace Livermore and Bailey.

If Blake is declared unfit and not going to Moscow two things happen. The first is that Bolt's DL exemption comes into play and Nesta Carter can be selected for the individual 100m, so Jamaica enters four men in the event anyway. The second is that there will be two spots in the relay pool, making it easier for the selectors to name Asafa.

What your also forgetting is that the IAAF allows anyone who is already at champs to run the relay. (shot putter, pole vaulter etc.) Livermore us already in the 200 so he will be in Moscow.

If Powell runs another race faster than Oshane this month, he will be in Moscow.


I think you misunderstood my point. I'm only addressing the relay pool, not addressing being named to the overall Jamaican team.

When I said "displace Livermore and Bailey" I meant displace them out of the one available spot in the pool.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby Fortius19 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:53 pm

ATK wrote:This was a long time coming for Kim Collins. After what feels like 50+ 10.0x races over the past 2-3 years, he finally breaks 10, with a NR. Highlight of the race/meet.


^^^^ YES

I have been really hoping he would get sub-10 again! A PR is a huge bonus!
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby Fortius19 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:56 pm

jamboy wrote:Asafa's 9.88 today is his 81st sub 10.


Didn't Asafa recently run in a meet and run 9.97 on a false start that didn't count and then run the 'real' race again in 10.0x?

Are people counting this 'false start' sub-10? I would think so. Especially as it may get dicey trying to get to 100 (injuries, age, etc.).
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby 18.99s » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:57 am

Fortius19 wrote:
jamboy wrote:Asafa's 9.88 today is his 81st sub 10.


Didn't Asafa recently run in a meet and run 9.97 on a false start that didn't count and then run the 'real' race again in 10.0x?

Are people counting this 'false start' sub-10? I would think so. Especially as it may get dicey trying to get to 100 (injuries, age, etc.).


Was there a wind reading for that 9.97? And was the 9.97 based on the photo finish, or was that just the stadium clock (which may be off by a few hundredths of a second)? If there's no wind reading or the 9.97 was only the stadium clock, it shouldn't be counted.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:02 am

justrunfast wrote:To say it was easy because of the 2.0 wind is a bit pathetic ...


I simply do not understand why is it pathetic to say that running 9.97/2.0 is easier than 9.97/0.0. It is a statement of fact that is probably acceptable to everyone here, especially if I were to change the latter to 9.97/-1.0.

He could have had an easier time breaking the NR if he tried a lot of races in Mexico City but did not make a lot of attempts to do that. I do not think that he would really want the NR with the (a) attached and 2.0 gives about the same assistance as a mile+ in elevation. I think he would have liked to run 9.97 with a little less aiding wind.


On a different issue, here Ashmeade is ahead of Gay early and even well in to the race, yet winds up a quarter second behind. Yet, I think of Ashmeade as a better 200 runner and the fade at the end (I think he lost ground to AP in the second half as well) is surprising. I suppose that when you get left like that after being in it that you might let up or tie up at the end, so that you are better than that 10.05/2.0 looks on paper.
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Re: Lausanne DL- M100m

Postby ATK » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:24 am

26mi235 wrote:
justrunfast wrote:To say it was easy because of the 2.0 wind is a bit pathetic ...


I simply do not understand why is it pathetic to say that running 9.97/2.0 is easier than 9.97/0.0. It is a statement of fact that is probably acceptable to everyone here, especially if I were to change the latter to 9.97/-1.0.

He could have had an easier time breaking the NR if he tried a lot of races in Mexico City but did not make a lot of attempts to do that. I do not think that he would really want the NR with the (a) attached and 2.0 gives about the same assistance as a mile+ in elevation. I think he would have liked to run 9.97 with a little less aiding wind.

Pathetic is kind of out of line. But it seems unfair to say it was easy. He didn't choose for the wind to be exactly 2.0 like he could have chosen to run a race in Mexico city.

Also 2.0 is legal for a reason and 2.1 is not. If the wind was 1.9 would it still have been easy? What is the cut off wind when it's not an easy way to hey a record?
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