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Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby betterthanb4 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:28 am

Lane Athlete Nation PB SB

1 GAYOT Marie FRA 51.54 51.54
2 ATKINS Joanna USA 50.39 50.77
3 HASTINGS Natasha USA 49.84 49.94
4 MONTSHO Amantle BOT 49.54 49.87
5 OHURUOGU Christine GBR 49.61 50.53
6 MCCORORY Francena USA 50.01 50.01
7 WILLIAMS-MILLS Novlene JAM 49.63 50.01
8 GEORGE Regina NGR 50.99 50.99



Exciting Lineup 8-)
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby DCSIGMA » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:07 am

did francena or montsho win that?
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby shivfan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:08 am

1) McCrorory 50.36
2) Montsho 50.37
3) Novlene 50.87

Well done, Novlene, battling cancer to come third....
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby jamal00005 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:10 am

DCSIGMA wrote:did francena or montsho win that?

Based on my view Montsho won it and she got the flowers ......Im really not sure tbh
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby DCSIGMA » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:12 am

Final results gave it to Francena....she needs to improve that last 50 meters and not allow her form to break down
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby tm71 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:13 am

Francena controlled the entire race but almost gave up in the end
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby Athletics » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:17 am

Womens 400m really needs new fast young talents, for the past few years the level of the event has been low (top women barely breaking the 50 second barrier isn't very good).
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby Marlow » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:22 am

The w400 is shaping up as one of the most exciting Moscow races. The DL Darling, Montsho, vs. the OG Queen (Ohuruogu) vs. the hot Amis (McC & Hastings, ect.) vs. the enigmatic Russkis!
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby jamal00005 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:27 am

Id probably go out on a limb here and say that a Russian will probably win it :D
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby DCSIGMA » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:32 am

jamal00005 wrote:Id probably go out on a limb here and say that a Russian will probably win it :D

With how they run on their home soil...I am inclined to agree w/u
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby eldanielfire » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:51 am

jamal00005 wrote:Id probably go out on a limb here and say that a Russian will probably win it :D



If you are talking about the heats then I agree.

The final? Crazy man, just CRAZY!
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby jamal00005 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:55 am

eldanielfire wrote:
jamal00005 wrote:Id probably go out on a limb here and say that a Russian will probably win it :D



If you are talking about the heats then I agree?

The final? Crazy man, just CRAZY!

You know what they say.....when in Russia .............
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby betterthanb4 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:01 pm

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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:41 am

TBO is in the best Pre champs form she has ever been in, unless a RUS does something ridic she's a hot favourite in my book
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby lionelp1 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:42 am

A hot favourite.???.. only from Mump could you get this trash talk.
The narrow favourite ,stats wise, can be Montsho, one of the Americans, maybe a Russian in front of the home crowd. But because CO has run into top ten this season, she is a hot favorite :lol: . Disappointed to note that some fans do not use evidence from this year.
When an athlete in the 400m insists on repeating the 5/10 yards behind at the last turn how one can make them a "hot favourite". Even if she wins( she won't) she can hardly be a hot favourite.
A "hot" favourite might be a fit Rudisha , Adams , Perkovic or Bolt in the 200m, if a 100% fit... but not Ohuruogu.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby peach77 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:50 am

You know, I actually agree with Mump. I think it's utterly ridiculous that the T&F predictions don't have TBO in them. She's never been in 50.5 form at this stage of the season and we've all seen what happens at every championship she appears in and yet time and time and time again people write her off. I find it utterly utterly bizarre...ok, so perhaps "hot favourite" is pushing it a bit, but she's certainly my personal number 1 tip for gold at this point and to leave her without a medal in any prediction is ludicrous.

Having said that, I think a "ridiculous Russian" is a very real possibility...
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:10 am

OK, I do not get it. This 51.+ race is supposed to be any sort of support for the notion that TBO will win or even win a medal? She looked out of the race from the beginning. Yes, she made up ground on a couple of fading athletes but it is not clear she did so on Monthso and even little if any on McCorory.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby betterthanb4 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:30 am

McCorory seems to always lose form in the last 50m. Hopefully this improves ans she'll get that sub 50 In Moscow.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:54 am

Is the loss of form a strategy issue (too fast first half) or a training/conditioning issue? Any clues?
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby jamal00005 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:24 am

I will continue saying what i have said that a Russian will win the women's 400m final...BOOKMARK THAT SHIT :D
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby cladthin » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:55 am

betterthanb4 wrote:McCorory seems to always lose form in the last 50m. Hopefully this improves ans she'll get that sub 50 In Moscow.


Yes, her arms start flailing about and she wastes quite a bit of energy as a result. Maybe a lactate tolerance issue or just pacing/energy distribution along with the form loss?
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby ChuiTai » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:24 pm

cladthin wrote:...Yes, her arms start flailing about and she wastes quite a bit of energy as a result. Maybe a lactate tolerance issue or just pacing/energy distribution along with the form loss?

A definite improvement over prior seasons...particularly with excessive shoulder rolling. An area with most might be speed reserve. Though perhaps not in all cases. I wonder how many of these leading ladies have a satisfactory SR ratio as well as run a consistent mid-22?
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby cladthin » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:48 pm

ChuiTai wrote:
cladthin wrote:...Yes, her arms start flailing about and she wastes quite a bit of energy as a result. Maybe a lactate tolerance issue or just pacing/energy distribution along with the form loss?

A definite improvement over prior seasons...particularly with excessive shoulder rolling. An area with most might be speed reserve. Though perhaps not in all cases. I wonder how many of these leading ladies have a satisfactory SR ratio as well as run a consistent mid-22?


Though everyone has idiosyncrasies, her right hand gets further behind her hip than the left and often it seems she under-strides as her her arm swing seems too compact.

It would be good to maybe more frequently run 200m as Trotter has, in connection with a training focus, to try to further improve upon that buffer.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:11 pm

lionelp1 wrote:A hot favourite.???.. only from Mump could you get this trash talk.
The narrow favourite ,stats wise, can be Montsho, one of the Americans, maybe a Russian in front of the home crowd. But because CO has run into top ten this season, she is a hot favorite :lol: . Disappointed to note that some fans do not use evidence from this year.
When an athlete in the 400m insists on repeating the 5/10 yards behind at the last turn how one can make them a "hot favourite". Even if she wins( she won't) she can hardly be a hot favourite.
A "hot" favourite might be a fit Rudisha , Adams , Perkovic or Bolt in the 200m, if a 100% fit... but not Ohuruogu.


She usually goes into a champs having done NOTHING before, barely competed

This year, she's run all over the place, beaten the world No1, run the fastest she's ever run this early (apart from Osaka when she ran faster the week before after a year out and CP last year) and has run consistently (for her)

We know that she WILL raise her game in Moscow and this year she's raising it from a higher place than ever before. Considering she usually starts a champs from WAY behind, this year anyone who follows the sport has to consider her a favourite right now.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:14 pm

Where are the T&FN predictions ??
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby unclezadok » Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:26 pm

They're lucky Daesha Rogers was not there.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby tm71 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:34 pm

mump boy wrote:
lionelp1 wrote:A hot favourite.???.. only from Mump could you get this trash talk.
The narrow favourite ,stats wise, can be Montsho, one of the Americans, maybe a Russian in front of the home crowd. But because CO has run into top ten this season, she is a hot favorite :lol: . Disappointed to note that some fans do not use evidence from this year.
When an athlete in the 400m insists on repeating the 5/10 yards behind at the last turn how one can make them a "hot favourite". Even if she wins( she won't) she can hardly be a hot favourite.
A "hot" favourite might be a fit Rudisha , Adams , Perkovic or Bolt in the 200m, if a 100% fit... but not Ohuruogu.


She usually goes into a champs having done NOTHING before, barely competed

This year, she's run all over the place, beaten the world No1, run the fastest she's ever run this early (apart from Osaka when she ran faster the week before after a year out and CP last year) and has run consistently (for her)

We know that she WILL raise her game in Moscow and this year she's raising it from a higher place than ever before. Considering she usually starts a champs from WAY behind, this year anyone who follows the sport has to consider her a favourite right now.


I think ohurogu has over raced this year and I don't think she will improve much in the worlds. Btw what were her results in Berlin and daegu to say that she ALWAYS runs well in championship races. I would have montsho as a slight favorite even though I think she has run too many races too. I don't think the winning time will be less than 49.5 given what we have seen thus far.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:03 pm

tm71 wrote:
mump boy wrote:
lionelp1 wrote:A hot favourite.???.. only from Mump could you get this trash talk.
The narrow favourite ,stats wise, can be Montsho, one of the Americans, maybe a Russian in front of the home crowd. But because CO has run into top ten this season, she is a hot favorite :lol: . Disappointed to note that some fans do not use evidence from this year.
When an athlete in the 400m insists on repeating the 5/10 yards behind at the last turn how one can make them a "hot favourite". Even if she wins( she won't) she can hardly be a hot favourite.
A "hot" favourite might be a fit Rudisha , Adams , Perkovic or Bolt in the 200m, if a 100% fit... but not Ohuruogu.


She usually goes into a champs having done NOTHING before, barely competed

This year, she's run all over the place, beaten the world No1, run the fastest she's ever run this early (apart from Osaka when she ran faster the week before after a year out and CP last year) and has run consistently (for her)

We know that she WILL raise her game in Moscow and this year she's raising it from a higher place than ever before. Considering she usually starts a champs from WAY behind, this year anyone who follows the sport has to consider her a favourite right now.


I think ohurogu has over raced this year and I don't think she will improve much in the worlds. Btw what were her results in Berlin and daegu to say that she ALWAYS runs well in championship races. I would have montsho as a slight favorite even though I think she has run too many races too. I don't think the winning time will be less than 49.5 given what we have seen thus far.


Apart from Deagu where she inexplicably false started TBO has set a seasons best in EVERY SINGLE CHAMPIONSHIP SHE HAS EVER TAKEN PART IN GOING BACK TO 2003 (her priority on 05 was Eu23)

She is not in top form now and doesn't want to be, she believes that you can only stay in top form for a limited time and all the time you are there it is easier to get ill and injured she will tie her form just right like she does every other year. Without a dominant athlete like Sanya, TBO should be the favourite in a champs race.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby uakari » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:16 pm

NO WAY CO wins gold at worlds this time... i'll eat my shorts if she does. lightning does not strike 3x.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby t_monk » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:01 pm

With there being so few sub-50 in the 400's this year, I must say, CO chances look good. If the winning time is around 49.6x then CO is definitely in consideration at the very least.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby Weights&Shoes » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:26 pm

Yeah, I def wouldn't cross Chrissy O out.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby Flumpy » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:57 am

uakari wrote:NO WAY CO wins gold at worlds this time... i'll eat my shorts if she does. lightning does not strike 3x.


Will you people never learn? :roll:

It's one thing to suggest she's not the favourite, another entirely to dismiss her chances completely.

I'm not saying she's a 'hot favourite' but she's certainly in a better position than ever before. And we all know what's happened before.

At the moment my money is on a Russian though.
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby uakari » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:32 pm

CO is done! no way no way no way she'll win in moscow... :mrgreen:
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:28 pm

t_monk wrote:With there being so few sub-50 in the 400's this year, I must say, CO chances look good. If the winning time is around 49.6x then CO is definitely in consideration at the very least.



I agree with mumps assessment, except we have never seen her run so much quality races, will that burn out her ability to peak?

Other questions are:

Is Montsho shlowing down her recent races to peak for the worlds?

Is McCory going to get better? I'm certain she will be a sub-50s in the worlds. Hastings seesm to the US women of the season but I don't know how consistently she can do a top race, she has been inconsistent this season.

The Russians? The champs are soon so we'll know more. The big thing is have they learned not to blow up before then?
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby Fortius19 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:20 pm

I'll pick CO to medal in Moscow in 49.72
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby peach77 » Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:35 pm

Sorry but :lol:
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby t_monk » Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:19 pm

t_monk wrote:With there being so few sub-50 in the 400's this year, I must say, CO chances look good. If the winning time is around 49.6x then CO is definitely in consideration at the very least.


I said it here first :D
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Re: Lausanne DL- W 400m

Postby Fortis4Eva » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:10 pm

uakari wrote:NO WAY CO wins gold at worlds this time... i'll eat my shorts if she does. lightning does not strike 3x.

Just curious how did they taste???? :lol: :D :shock:
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