Are any men's field event records soft?


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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Marlow » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:04 pm

tandfman wrote:
kuha wrote:We're just pummeling Marlow; all the rest is unavoidable collateral damage.

Oh, OK. Carry on. :)

Yikes, tough crowd!
Y'all be whistling a difrunt tune when the genetically engineered mutants start competing in 2017!!
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Daisy » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:07 pm

So is a genetically engineered organism actually a mutant?
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Dave » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:52 am

gh wrote:
Dave wrote:An amazingthingto me is that the LJ has improved only 5cm since 1968. Even the HJ has progressed more.Ter-ovaneysen's 8.34 from 1967 would be 2nd in the world right now


That's only if you place any credence in Beamon's altitude/wind-aided mark. Take that out of the equation, and the WR is 8.35 at that point and has gone up 60cm.


What was the second place mark at the 68 games? If it was less than 8.65 or so, I'll put credence in the mark. Beamon did have favorable conditions but he also had a perfect jump.
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Marlow » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:11 am

Daisy wrote:So is a genetically engineered organism actually a mutant?

You misperceive . . . by 2017, the mutants (aka the X-Men) will be out and about, and THEY will be engineered to be "faster, stronger" . . . :wink:
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Daisy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:41 am

Marlow wrote:the mutants (aka the X-Men) will be out and about, and THEY will be engineered to be "faster, stronger" . . . :wink:

CGI in the Olympics :) That will be interesting. Could this explain Bob Beamon's leap in Mexico? After all, they were able to fake the moon landing only a year later.
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Marlow » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:25 am

Daisy wrote:CGI in the Olympics :) That will be interesting. Could this explain Bob Beamon's leap in Mexico? After all, they were able to fake the moon landing only a year later.

Indeed - many great performances have been CGI or 'green-screen' effects. MJ's 19.32, Merritt's 12.80, Soto's 8'. Interesting to note that last year's Olympics were the first ones that were 100% CGI.
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby KDFINE » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:32 am

Dave. Second place behind Beamon was Beer's 8.19 (26'-10 1/8"). I believe it came after the rains started, and Beamon's leap had a discouraging effect on the others. I suppose they could have said to themselves, wow, if he can do it so can I, but it didn't work out that way. Altitude aided and wind suspect, it was still MASSIVE.
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Pego » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:01 am

Marlow wrote:
Daisy wrote:So is a genetically engineered organism actually a mutant?

You misperceive . . . by 2017, the mutants (aka the X-Men) will be out and about, and THEY will be engineered to be "faster, stronger" . . . :wink:


But, of course. It took me a while to understand. Not too bright, I guess :oops: .

So, the X-men compete in X-games and the results are recorded in X-files. Do I have it right finally 8-) ?
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby marknhj » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:14 am

tandfman wrote:I thought imaginable that Tamgho could break the TJ record


I saw Tamgho's big foul a couple of days ago for the first time and if the lines superimposed on the TV shot are anywhere near accurate, it's absolutely imaginable that he could break the TJ WR. In fact, I'll be surprised if he doesn't in the next few years.

For old times sake it's worth a look at the Tamgho thread on letsrun, for a laugh. Our friend eldrick proves, without any doubt, and you're a numskull if you disagree, that the foul was worth at least 20+cms more than Edward's 18.29m :D
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Marlow » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:20 am

Pego wrote:Do I have it right finally 8-) ?

As markn would say - there's hope for you yet!! :D
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Dave » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:55 pm

gh wrote:
Dave wrote:An amazingthingto me is that the LJ has improved only 5cm since 1968. Even the HJ has progressed more.Ter-ovaneysen's 8.34 from 1967 would be 2nd in the world right now


That's only if you place any credence in Beamon's altitude/wind-aided mark. Take that out of the equation, and the WR is 8.35 at that point and has gone up 60cm.


The discussion on another board brings up this question.. Let's say there was an illegal wind, how much did it impact mr. Beamon's performance? F it was 2.5, 3.0, or 4.0? How much does a wind impact a LJ performance?
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Dave » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:00 pm

Dave wrote:The newest one is from 1996 so I suspect none are at risk. Lavillenie could potentially challenge 6.15. Otherwise they all look safe for the foreseeable future.


My, was I prescient.....
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby lonewolf » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:02 pm

There is no such thing as a "soft" WR in any event.
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby Dave » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:08 pm

lonewolf wrote:There is no such thing as a "soft" WR in any event.


At risk would have been a better term.
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Re: Are any men's field event records soft?

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:10 pm

Dave wrote:
gh wrote:
Dave wrote:An amazingthingto me is that the LJ has improved only 5cm since 1968. Even the HJ has progressed more.Ter-ovaneysen's 8.34 from 1967 would be 2nd in the world right now


That's only if you place any credence in Beamon's altitude/wind-aided mark. Take that out of the equation, and the WR is 8.35 at that point and has gone up 60cm.


The discussion on another board brings up this question.. Let's say there was an illegal wind, how much did it impact mr. Beamon's performance? F it was 2.5, 3.0, or 4.0? How much does a wind impact a LJ performance?


Given the nature of the 'error' the wind was between 2.0 and 2.9x, so 2.5 is a reasonable. The answer is that it affects it by 8.90m or the difference between 8.90 and the prior record of 8.35 or whatever the record was because it was not properly a record.

As for a guess of the effects of wind and altitude, with wind dialed back down to 1.0mps, and at sea level, my pure, quick guess is 8.55 to 8.60; he likely would have reached 28 feet.
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