Long Jump ultimate barrier?


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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby high knees » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:40 pm

lonewolf wrote:My opinion than man has about maxed out in the LJ is based on the premise is that while athletes will continue to nibble away at records and there will be Beamonesque and Boltesque incidents, we have already had those moments in the 100m and LJ.

Beamon increased the LJ WR from 8.35 to 8.90 = .55m = a phenomal 6.58 %
Powell increased the LJ WR from 8.90 to 8.95 = .05m = 0.5%
Increase in LJ WR from 8.95 to 10.0 = 1.05m = 11.7 %
It gets tougher to add cms at the far end of the pit.

Bolt lowered the 100m WR from 9.77 to 9.74 = .03 sec = .3 %
Bolt lowered his own 100m WR from 9.74 to 9.69 = .05 sec =.51%
Bolt lowered his own 100m WR from 9.69 to 9.58 = .11 sec = 1.17%

To improve the LJ record from 8.95 to 10.0 m would equate, percentage wise, to lowering the 100 m record from 9.58 to 8.41.

Somebody can check my arithmatic but you get the idea. Ain't gonna happen soon, if ever.


The question was "Is a 10m00 long jump possible?" And it's definitely possible......when or who is another story altogether....as long as there are people in the world who can run sub 10 and there are people who have a vertical leap of 45"+ (and you have more than a few of both) there's a possibility....
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby lonewolf » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:25 pm

AFTERBURNER wrote:Is a 10m00 long jump possible?

Oh well then. In a word: No
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby pickle47 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:45 pm

Most of us can't triple jump 10 meters.
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby user4 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:59 am

lonewolf wrote:
AFTERBURNER wrote:Is a 10m00 long jump possible?

Oh well then. In a word: No


Im switching my opinion to no. The lonewolf percentages above are alarming...The fact that some heretofore undiscovered man might run 27mph and then the next day jump 40 inches off the ground tells me very very little about whether a man can jump 40in off the ground while running 27mph. No, it will be the running surfaces and boards that will lead to the greater improvements in jumping distance just as they have had a significant role in the 100 WR time.
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby AFTERBURNER » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:03 am

Modifying running surfarces and boards for longer jumps would be CHEATING imho
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby user4 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:40 am

AFTERBURNER wrote:Modifying running surfarces and boards for longer jumps would be CHEATING imho



Then Jesse Owens was cheated in the mid-sixties.
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby dj » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:26 am

user4 wrote:
AFTERBURNER wrote:Modifying running surfarces and boards for longer jumps would be CHEATING imho



Then Jesse Owens was cheated in the mid-sixties.


And Owens was cheating the jumpers of 50 years earlier who didn't jump off a board? :mrgreen:
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby pickle47 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:11 am

user4 wrote:No, it will be the running surfaces and boards that will lead to the greater improvements in jumping distance just as they have had a significant role in the 100 WR time.


And sand! Don't forget sand!

Seriously, running surfaces and boards aren't going to contribute much more. Running surfaces have a standard of how much force they can return, and I don't know about boards but would assume the same thing. It's called a board because, when I was in school, it was made of wood. Now it's probably something similar, but it's not rubber and not spring loaded.
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby user4 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:15 am

pickle47 wrote:
user4 wrote:No, it will be the running surfaces and boards that will lead to the greater improvements in jumping distance just as they have had a significant role in the 100 WR time.


And sand! Don't forget sand!

Seriously, running surfaces and boards aren't going to contribute much more. Running surfaces have a standard of how much force they can return, and I don't know about boards but would assume the same thing. It's called a board because, when I was in school, it was made of wood. Now it's probably something similar, but it's not rubber and not spring loaded.


.. true for now, but eventually the rules will change and the standard surface will be more springlike.
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby Pego » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:28 am

user4 wrote:
pickle47 wrote:
user4 wrote:No, it will be the running surfaces and boards that will lead to the greater improvements in jumping distance just as they have had a significant role in the 100 WR time.


And sand! Don't forget sand!

Seriously, running surfaces and boards aren't going to contribute much more. Running surfaces have a standard of how much force they can return, and I don't know about boards but would assume the same thing. It's called a board because, when I was in school, it was made of wood. Now it's probably something similar, but it's not rubber and not spring loaded.


.. true for now, but eventually the rules will change and the standard surface will be more springlike.


Once it becomes spring-like, it will become a completely new event. Just like a fiberglass PV.
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby Tuariki » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:40 am

Re-introduce the somersault
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby Pego » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:49 am

Tuariki wrote:Re-introduce the somersault


What was your PR? I know, it was an impressive number.
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Re: Long Jump ultimate barrier?

Postby lonewolf » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:59 pm

user4 wrote:[.. true for now, but eventually the rules will change and the standard surface will be more springlike.

Then it will be a different event with new records ala implement changes.
And, they still will not jump 10 meters.
Most boards are still wooden boards.. we occasionally see solid 4 x 20 x 48 chunks of hard rubber-like material. The intent is to avoid replacing wooden boards so frequently. It does not retain spike marks and the foot does not "slip" as it sometimes does on wooden boards but it has no "spring" to it at all.
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