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Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Moscow?

Postby ALLSpeed » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:33 pm

Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Moscow?

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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby gh » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:14 pm

"impossible" to answer that, because the federations have some control over that. Just because the IAAF grants you a wild card doesn'tmean your nation will follow suit.

And there are a half-dozen or so "conflicts" where a nation has both the defending champ (all of whom in theory are wild cards) and last year's Diamond League champ (who also gets a wild card).

But you can't have both. Which is why the U.S. named reigning world champ Jason Richardson as its wild card in the 110H, and Aries Merritt (the DL winner) had to finish top-3 in Des Moines (which he did).
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby ALLSpeed » Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:39 pm

Thanks for the explanation.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby Blues » Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:57 pm

ALLSpeed wrote:Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Moscow?

Thanks.

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Keeping in mind what gh wrote, here are the athletes who earned wildcards to Moscow, even if some of the athletes might not be able to use them.. Asterisks signify both athletes from same country, so only one of the two can go as wildcard in that event. (courtesy of a LetsRun thread, link below.)

The first person listed is the Diamond League winner, the second is the 2011 World Champion.

100 m Usain BOLT *Yohan Blake
200 m Nickel ASHMEADE *Usain Bolt
400 m Kevin BORLÉE Kirani James
800 m Mohammed AMAN David Rudisha
1500 m Silas KIPLAGAT *Asbel Kiprop
5000 m Isiah Kiplangat KOECH Mo Farah
10k Ibrahim Jeilan
3000SC Paul Kipsiele KOECH *Ezekiel Kemboi
110H Aries MERRITT *Jason Richardson
400H Javier CULSON Dai Greene
HJ Robbie GRABARZ Jesse Williams
PV Renaud LAVILLENIE Pawel Wojciechowski
LJ Aleksandr MENKOV Dwight Phillips
TJ Christian TAYLOR SAME
SP Reese HOFFA David Storl
Discus Gerd KANTER Robert Harting
Javelin Vítezslav VESELÝ Matthias de Zordo
Hammer Krisztian Pars (HT Challenge Winner) - Koji Murofushi
Deca Trey Hardee

100 m Shelly-Ann FRASER-PRYCE Carmelita Jeter
200 m Charonda WILLIAMS Veronica Campbell-Brown
400 m Amantle MONTSHO SAME
800 m Pamela JELIMO Mariya Savinova
1500 m Abeba AREGAWI Jennifer Simpson
5000 m Vivian Jepkemoi CHERUIYOT SAME
10k Vivian Cheruiyot
3000SC Milcah CHEMOS Yuliya Zaripova
100H Dawn HARPER Sally Pearson
400H Kaliese SPENCER Lashinda Demus
HJ Chaunte LOWE Anna Chicherova
PV Silke SPIEGELBURG Fabiana Murer
LJ Yelena SOKOLOVA Brittney Reese
TJ Olga RYPAKOVA Olha Saladukha
SP Valerie ADAMS SAME
DT Sandra PERKOVIC Li Yanfeng
Javelin Barbora ŠPOTÁKOVÁ Mariya Abakumova
HT Betty Heidler (HT Challenge Winner) - Tatyana Lysenko
Hep Tatyana Chernova

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read. ... ad=5221848
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby shivfan » Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:23 am

Thanks for that....

Blues wrote:
The first person is the Diamond League winner, the second is the 2011 World Champion.

100 m Usain BOLT *Yohan Blake
200 m Nickel ASHMEADE *Usain Bolt

Interestingly, at the Jamaica Trials, Blake got the wildcard for the 100m and Bolt for the 200m....

Bolt won the 100m trials, while Ashmeade came second in the 200m trials....
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby Blues » Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:15 am

shivfan wrote:Thanks for that....

Blues wrote:
The first person is the Diamond League winner, the second is the 2011 World Champion.

100 m Usain BOLT *Yohan Blake
200 m Nickel ASHMEADE *Usain Bolt

Interestingly, at the Jamaica Trials, Blake got the wildcard for the 100m and Bolt for the 200m....

Bolt won the 100m trials, while Ashmeade came second in the 200m trials....


You're welcome. And to clarify, the first sentence quoted in your post was from the original letsrun author. So as not to be misunderstood, it should more accurately be written "The first person listed is the Diamond League winner, the second is the 2011 World Champion".

It's up to the individual national federation to chose which athlete gets the wildcard when both the World Champ and DL Winner in the same event are from the same country. USA Track & Field avoids having to make the decision in cases like this by having the rule that World Champ takes priority over DL winner.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby shivfan » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:37 am

Now that Blake has withdrawn the wildcard for the 100m will most likely go to Bolt.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby ATK » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:41 am

shivfan wrote:Now that Blake has withdrawn the wildcard for the 100m will most likely go to Bolt.

Kind of irrelevant now that Bolt is already the 100m national champ.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:42 am

ATK wrote:
shivfan wrote:Now that Blake has withdrawn the wildcard for the 100m will most likely go to Bolt.

Kind of irrelevant now that Bolt is already the 100m national champ.



But does the wildcard mean a 4th member from a country can go? Or is that just the winner?
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby shivfan » Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:48 am

The rules as I understand them mean that Nesta Carter is now in....
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby jlt » Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:52 am

shivfan wrote:The rules as I understand them mean that Nesta Carter is now in....

No that's not correct, Carter is not now in......the wildcard is for an individual not for a country.

To reply to a previous comment re individual Federations decide whether 2011 world champ or 2012 DL winner gets wildcard (in the cases where they have both) my understanding (I haven't seen it written but was told by a senior IAAF official) that the reigning world champion takes preference.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby gh » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:01 am

the IAAF official was wrong (far as I know). Choice between the two was left to the individual federations. And any ongoing decision the federation makes isn't binding at the IAAF level. As noted on other thread, when actual entry time comes IAAF will look at your people, and if you've got a legit wild card, they're in.

As in, U.S. could change its 110H wild card from Richardson to Merritt at this point and the IAAF wouldn't care.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby tandfman » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:32 am

eldanielfire wrote:
ATK wrote:
shivfan wrote:Now that Blake has withdrawn the wildcard for the 100m will most likely go to Bolt.

Kind of irrelevant now that Bolt is already the 100m national champ.

But does the wildcard mean a 4th member from a country can go? Or is that just the winner?

gh is entirely correct. If Jamaica uses Bolt's 100m wild card, they can enter a 4th man in the Moscow 100.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby tandfman » Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:36 am

Blues wrote:
ALLSpeed wrote:Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Moscow?

Thanks.

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Keeping in mind what gh wrote, here are the athletes who earned wildcards to Moscow, even if some of the athletes might not be able to use them.. Asterisks signify both athletes from same country, so only one of the two can go as wildcard in that event. (courtesy of a LetsRun thread, link below.)

The first person listed is the Diamond League winner, the second is the 2011 World Champion.

100 m Usain BOLT *Yohan Blake
200 m Nickel ASHMEADE *Usain Bolt
400 m Kevin BORLÉE Kirani James
800 m Mohammed AMAN David Rudisha
1500 m Silas KIPLAGAT *Asbel Kiprop
5000 m Isiah Kiplangat KOECH Mo Farah
10k Ibrahim Jeilan
3000SC Paul Kipsiele KOECH *Ezekiel Kemboi
110H Aries MERRITT *Jason Richardson
400H Javier CULSON Dai Greene
HJ Robbie GRABARZ Jesse Williams
PV Renaud LAVILLENIE Pawel Wojciechowski
LJ Aleksandr MENKOV Dwight Phillips
TJ Christian TAYLOR SAME
SP Reese HOFFA David Storl
Discus Gerd KANTER Robert Harting
Javelin Vítezslav VESELÝ Matthias de Zordo
Hammer Koji Murofushi
Deca Trey Hardee

100 m Shelly-Ann FRASER-PRYCE Carmelita Jeter
200 m Charonda WILLIAMS Veronica Campbell-Brown
400 m Amantle MONTSHO SAME
800 m Pamela JELIMO Mariya Savinova
1500 m Abeba AREGAWI Jennifer Simpson
5000 m Vivian Jepkemoi CHERUIYOT SAME
10k Vivian Cheruiyot
3000SC Milcah CHEMOS Yuliya Zaripova
100H Dawn HARPER Sally Pearson
400H Kaliese SPENCER Lashinda Demus
HJ Chaunte LOWE Anna Chicherova
PV Silke SPIEGELBURG Fabiana Murer
LJ Yelena SOKOLOVA Brittney Reese
TJ Olga RYPAKOVA Olha Saladukha
SP Valerie ADAMS SAME
DT Sandra PERKOVIC Li Yanfeng
Javelin Barbora ŠPOTÁKOVÁ Mariya Abakumova
Hep Tatyana Chernova

You should have added the winners of the IAAF Hammer Throw Challenge, who also get wild cards, since there is no hammer throw in the Diamond League. Also, you've omitted the women's hammer throw entirely.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby Blues » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:45 am

tandfman wrote:
Blues wrote:
ALLSpeed wrote:Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Moscow?

Thanks.

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Keeping in mind what gh wrote, here are the athletes who earned wildcards to Moscow, even if some of the athletes might not be able to use them.. Asterisks signify both athletes from same country, so only one of the two can go as wildcard in that event. (courtesy of a LetsRun thread, link below.)

The first person listed is the Diamond League winner, the second is the 2011 World Champion.

100 m Usain BOLT *Yohan Blake
200 m Nickel ASHMEADE *Usain Bolt
400 m Kevin BORLÉE Kirani James
800 m Mohammed AMAN David Rudisha
1500 m Silas KIPLAGAT *Asbel Kiprop
5000 m Isiah Kiplangat KOECH Mo Farah
10k Ibrahim Jeilan
3000SC Paul Kipsiele KOECH *Ezekiel Kemboi
110H Aries MERRITT *Jason Richardson
400H Javier CULSON Dai Greene
HJ Robbie GRABARZ Jesse Williams
PV Renaud LAVILLENIE Pawel Wojciechowski
LJ Aleksandr MENKOV Dwight Phillips
TJ Christian TAYLOR SAME
SP Reese HOFFA David Storl
Discus Gerd KANTER Robert Harting
Javelin Vítezslav VESELÝ Matthias de Zordo
Hammer Krisztian Pars (HT Challenge Winner) - Koji Murofushi
Deca Trey Hardee

100 m Shelly-Ann FRASER-PRYCE Carmelita Jeter
200 m Charonda WILLIAMS Veronica Campbell-Brown
400 m Amantle MONTSHO SAME
800 m Pamela JELIMO Mariya Savinova
1500 m Abeba AREGAWI Jennifer Simpson
5000 m Vivian Jepkemoi CHERUIYOT SAME
10k Vivian Cheruiyot
3000SC Milcah CHEMOS Yuliya Zaripova
100H Dawn HARPER Sally Pearson
400H Kaliese SPENCER Lashinda Demus
HJ Chaunte LOWE Anna Chicherova
PV Silke SPIEGELBURG Fabiana Murer
LJ Yelena SOKOLOVA Brittney Reese
TJ Olga RYPAKOVA Olha Saladukha
SP Valerie ADAMS SAME
HT Betty Heidler (HT Challenge Winner) - Tatyana Lysenko
DT Sandra PERKOVIC Li Yanfeng
Javelin Barbora ŠPOTÁKOVÁ Mariya Abakumova
Hep Tatyana Chernova

You should have added the winners of the IAAF Hammer Throw Challenge, who also get wild cards, since there is no hammer throw in the Diamond League. Also, you've omitted the women's hammer throw entirely.


As stated in my first post, the list was taken from a letsrun thread, which I also linked to. I didn't realize that the author had omitted those events. I've added the hammer athletes in the list above. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby jlt » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:18 am

tandfman wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
ATK wrote:
shivfan wrote:Now that Blake has withdrawn the wildcard for the 100m will most likely go to Bolt.

Kind of irrelevant now that Bolt is already the 100m national champ.

But does the wildcard mean a 4th member from a country can go? Or is that just the winner?

gh is entirely correct. If Jamaica uses Bolt's 100m wild card, they can enter a 4th man in the Moscow 100.

Thanks tandfman most of us are aware of how a wild card works but that wasn't actually the point GH was making! He was responding to my post and clarifying the ranking order or otherwise betw WCH Gold 11 and DL winner 12 (the impression I had been clearly given was that WCH winner definitely takes preference over DL winner (in the case that a country has both)). An interesting example is Kenya where Kemboi won in Daegu and Koech won DL last year. I hear that both believe they have wild card to WCH!

Shivfan's comment "now that Blake has withdrawn the wild card for the 100m will most likely go to Bolt" is correct in the sense that yes it does go to Bolt but that is because he won the DL, not as is implied (ie by the comment 'most likely'!!) because the Jamaicans elected to give it to Bolt. If for some reason Bolt was not able to compete (heaven forbid!) then the Jamaicans couldn't give it to someone else. In that situation they could only have three 100m runners.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby tandfman » Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:36 am

I think we're all on the same page now (except perhaps for the Kenyan steeplechasers). I've commented on the situation in the Yohan Blake thread.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby ATK » Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:53 am

tandfman wrote:You should have added the winners of the IAAF Hammer Throw Challenge, who also get wild cards, since there is no hammer throw in the Diamond League. Also, you've omitted the women's hammer throw entirely.

That made me think, Is there any series of meets of competitions that the IAAF would allow an athlete in the decathlon/heptathlon to earn a wild card for worlds?
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby tandfman » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:12 am

ATK wrote:
tandfman wrote:You should have added the winners of the IAAF Hammer Throw Challenge, who also get wild cards, since there is no hammer throw in the Diamond League. Also, you've omitted the women's hammer throw entirely.

That made me think, Is there any series of meets of competitions that the IAAF would allow an athlete in the decathlon/heptathlon to earn a wild card for worlds?

No.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby gh » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:51 am

if the Hammer Challenge is worth a wild card, why aren't the winners of the Multi-Event Challenge?
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby ATK » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:04 am

gh wrote:if the Hammer Challenge is worth a wild card, why aren't the winners of the Multi-Event Challenge?

That's what I'm wondering. I'm not familiar with the multis and the series they have. But it just seems that it would not make sense for the IAAF to omit this athletes from the wild card opportunity.


Also another thing, but I assume this year's champion gets nothing.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby shivfan » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:16 am

jlt wrote:Thanks tandfman most of us are aware of how a wild card works but that wasn't actually the point GH was making! He was responding to my post and clarifying the ranking order or otherwise betw WCH Gold 11 and DL winner 12 (the impression I had been clearly given was that WCH winner definitely takes preference over DL winner (in the case that a country has both)). An interesting example is Kenya where Kemboi won in Daegu and Koech won DL last year. I hear that both believe they have wild card to WCH!

Shivfan's comment "now that Blake has withdrawn the wild card for the 100m will most likely go to Bolt" is correct in the sense that yes it does go to Bolt but that is because he won the DL, not as is implied (ie by the comment 'most likely'!!) because the Jamaicans elected to give it to Bolt. If for some reason Bolt was not able to compete (heaven forbid!) then the Jamaicans couldn't give it to someone else. In that situation they could only have three 100m runners.

That's how you misinterpreted my post....it is obvious from the earlier discussions that we were discussing Jamaica giving the wild card to Bolt in his capacity as DL winner for 2012. I don't know where you've drawn the conclusion about Jamaica giving the wild card to anyone else other than Bolt.
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Re: Is there a list of athletes who have WILDCARDS for Mosco

Postby shivfan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 1:56 am

shivfan wrote:The rules as I understand them mean that Nesta Carter is now in....

With the news now confirming that Blake is out, and that the wildcard is likely to go to Bolt (as DL winner), that means that Carter should be in for the individual 100m....

"Contrary to persistent rumors, multiple relay gold medallist Nesta Carter has not failed a drugs test and is preparing for upcoming meets, including the IAAF World Championships in Moscow, Russia next month, his agent Adrian Laidlaw told the Jamaica Observer yesterday. Carter, who ran a season's best 9.87 seconds to win a 100m race in Madrid, Spain on Saturday, making him the fastest Jamaican man this year and second only to under fire American sprinter Tyson Gay, was linked in several international media houses with failed drugs tests starting on Sunday."


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Oh ... z2ZIMybX8R

That 9.87 was just barely legal, though, wasn't it?
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