rsb2 wrote:" Manzano, Lomong, and Centrowitz got their A's " ? When did this happen?
Nothing on Tilastopaja on that. Probably another "tweet". Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA, USA
OMG!!! I'm VERY sorry!! I was reading Let's Run's PREVIEW of the Paris 1500, in which Manzano, Lomong, and Centrowitz will TRY for their "A"s!!! So it must have been projected wishful thinking on my part!!
Again, very sorry.....and please IGNORE (what I said earlier)!!
(But I think they WILL get them Saturday!)
Manzano and lomong did so they are heading to Moscow with Centro.
tandfman wrote:If USATF follows its own published rules, Torrence's time will not put him on the Moscow team, no matter what anyone else does between now and the entry deadline.
Don't know that the official rules have said in the past, but there is almost certainly precedent for entering people who did not meet the officially stated guidelines in the past.
I can't name chapter and verse, but they have "filled" in the past. Pretty sure you'll find a Breaux Greer instance.
tandfman is going by the stated official USATF rules and procedures for Moscow World Championships team selection. I think Greer made the 2008 Olympic team because of a special clause that allowed the addition of injured athletes who competed in the trials but didn't make the team, if they had the A standard, and as long as no other athlete was displaced.
The 2013 USATF Governance Handbook includes the paragraph below, but interestingly it doesn't include the World Championships.. Does anyone have an idea why that might be?:
220512 Complete teams-
In obtaining representation for the United States in each competition and event of the Olympic Games, Paralympic Games, and Pan-American Games, the corporation, either directly or by delegation to the appropriate national governing body or paralympic sports organization, may select, but is not obligated to select (even if not selecting will result in an incomplete team for an event), athletes who have not met the eligibility standard of the national governing body and the Corporation, when the number of athletes who have met the eligibility standards of such entities is insufficient to fill the roster for an event.
Perhaps since the mentioned events are under the US Olympic Committee it has to do with their rules standards or stated goals. USOC not involved with IAAF Worlds
In the chase still-- Elliott since Mathew Centrowitz seems to be injured( on some not yet clear level ) a B gets him in position should Mathew have a serious injury. EDIT 7 july- Salazar says Centrowitz is not injured just jet lagged, embarrassed about the first time he ever DNFed and will be ready to go @ Monoco
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aaronk wrote:Shalaya Kipp runs soon in France.......less than 3 hours from now!! She needs the "A" of 9:43. Wish her well.
No "A" for Kipp 9:47.
She tweeted that she fell on the next to last water jump! That she still ran as fast as she did shows she was on pace to get the A. She'll try again....and get it. BTW, her tweet says she ran 9:45.
ADD: Saw the results, and it says 9:47.45.......so Kipp probably just tweeted wrong. Also, the woman who won the race, Ayana, is the same woman who finished 2nd to Dibaba in the 5K....with her 14:25 PR. She ran 9:38 today. Not bad, considering her 14:25 was just 2 days ago!
Here are some meets some of the chasers with be at:
Wed, July 17th -- Olympic Training Center California -- Mike Torie (discus) Sat, July 20th -- Claremont College California -- Mike Torie (discus)
Fri, July 12th -- Mahwah New Jersey -- James Plummer (discus) Tue, July 16th -- Neptune New Jersey -- James Plummer (discus) Fri, July 19th -- Mahwah New Jersey -- James Plummer (discus)
Sat, July 20 -- Chicagoland Summer Throws Series, Lisle Illinois -- Kyle Smith (javelin) -- Kara Patterson (javelin)
If I read the USATF selection procedures correctly, of those you've mentioned, only Plummer and Patterson would be able to chase a standard. If you finished below the top 4 at the Nationals, you cannot chase--your best qualifying performance is locked in when your event is finished at the Nationals.
tandfman wrote:If I read the USATF selection procedures correctly, of those you've mentioned, only Plummer and Patterson would be able to chase a standard. If you finished below the top 4 at the Nationals, you cannot chase--your best qualifying performance is locked in when your event is finished at the Nationals.
Common opinion seems to be folks believe USATF may wobble. They hope if they hit an "A" and the roster is not filled they may get to go.
I may have contributed to thoughts about "wobbling," but I think the exceptions they have made in the past have been only for those who already had an A/B at the time of the nationals, and those were processed for possible team inclusion then.
Agree gh I'd venture the guess that unless you have been processed already you will not get a berth on the team.. Seems that everyone already processed got sent a Team USA Kit (Goucher,& Cain to mention two who published about it)
Does that mean that an athlete that is qualified in one event (e.g., shot) would be able to advance to the team in another (e.g., the discus) outside the narrow guidelines because they would already have the processing done?
One of the reasons a lot of people are confused is that there is misinformation out there. I just saw an item on another track website that says, quite clearly (about the women's 10,000):
Jordan needs to run the "A" or the "B." Tara needs to run the "A." If she runs the "B," she can only make the team if Jordan gets the "A."
This is simply not true. Yes, if Tara Erdmann runs the B, she can make the team If Jordan Hasay gets the A. But she also makes the team the team if Hasay gets neither the A nor the B. If Hasay doesn't finish the race and Erdman gets the B, she's on the team. So the word "only" in the quoted text is just wrong, and it and adds to the confusion.
tandfman wrote:Was Rowbury planning to run the 1500 and not the 5000 if McGee hadn't made the standard? If she was planning to run the 5000 all along, then what happened in the 1500 wouldn't have mattered to Reilly.
Rowbury had stated in an interview that she would prefer to contest the 1500.
Cory McGee made the standard the hard way, IMO. According to the story on flrunners.com, she ran 63, 2:08, 3:16.53, so last 300 was 50.14, almost 67 pace. In her post-race interview, she said, "We went out at a ridiculous pace", and also that she thought the 400 was 60. To me, this indicates she can improve some more with better pacing. However, no need for that before the Worlds. Since she beat faster 1500 runners at Des Moines in that very slow race, she may be well suited for the heats in Moscow. Making the semis would be a good accomplishment for her. Cheers, Alan Shank Woodland, CA, USA
Fortius19 wrote:Happy for Hill, but bummed for True, who got, not one, but two(!) fourth place finishes at USATF Nats. He was having a banner year until then.
^ Yes. Furthermore, I have a lot of respect for Ben True, throughout this year. I thought he ran a great, gutsy race at WXC; I was really impressed with his 6th place finish & leading his team to a silver medal. Even though I have been encouraged by those more venerable than me to see WXC as a glorified intramural meet engaged in by various sorts of nobodies, I still see it as a meaningful event and I was impressed by True's run there -- unafraid of the course, conditions, and competition. I was also impressed by his performances at USATF, though he fell short of the WC team in both. Finally, I was most impressed by what I saw as the athletic integrity of his run at Heusden. He knew what was at stake for him if Hill made the "A," and he could have either not run there at all or drifted back of Hill (and still run a solid time), but he was one of the leaders of the pack who kept the pace honest and led Hill to his 13:14. Finally, he was the first guy -- or one of the first -- to go over to Hill after the race and congratulate him on the success of his run. Ben True will not be representing USA in Moscow, but he is the sort of athlete I would be proud to have wearing that singlet.
What incredible sportsmanship by True to essentially rabbit the 2nd group with his spot at stake and, sure enough, Hill took his spot. It was practically an intentional "Julia Lucas move" ('12 trials womens 5000m).
I nearly posted (somewhat sarcastically), on the Hasay/Erdman thread and prior to the Hasay time-trial, that K. Goucher should rabbit them out of sportsmanship.
That type of thing seems a throwback to an earlier (much) era but ....here it was just days ago. I understand it is likely that his overriding goal was to get his own best time (which he did) but still..................