Chase the A and B status


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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby tm71 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:19 pm

aaronk wrote:
Alan Shank wrote:
rsb2 wrote:" Manzano, Lomong, and Centrowitz got their A's " ? When did this happen?


Nothing on Tilastopaja on that. Probably another "tweet".
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OMG!!!
I'm VERY sorry!! :oops: :oops:
I was reading Let's Run's PREVIEW of the Paris 1500, in which Manzano, Lomong, and Centrowitz will TRY for their "A"s!!!
So it must have been projected wishful thinking on my part!!

Again, very sorry.....and please IGNORE (what I said earlier)!!

(But I think they WILL get them Saturday!)


Manzano and lomong did so they are heading to Moscow with Centro.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby wineturtle » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:47 pm

Blues wrote:
gh wrote:
donley2 wrote:
tandfman wrote:If USATF follows its own published rules, Torrence's time will not put him on the Moscow team, no matter what anyone else does between now and the entry deadline.


Don't know that the official rules have said in the past, but there is almost certainly precedent for entering people who did not meet the officially stated guidelines in the past.


I can't name chapter and verse, but they have "filled" in the past. Pretty sure you'll find a Breaux Greer instance.


tandfman is going by the stated official USATF rules and procedures for Moscow World Championships team selection. I think Greer made the 2008 Olympic team because of a special clause that allowed the addition of injured athletes who competed in the trials but didn't make the team, if they had the A standard, and as long as no other athlete was displaced.

The 2013 USATF Governance Handbook includes the paragraph below, but interestingly it doesn't include the World Championships.. Does anyone have an idea why that might be?:

220512 Complete teams-

In obtaining representation for the United States in each competition and event of the Olympic Games, Paralympic Games, and Pan-American Games, the corporation, either directly or by delegation to the appropriate national governing body or paralympic sports organization, may select, but is not obligated to select (even if not selecting will result in an incomplete team for an event), athletes who have not met the eligibility standard of the national governing body and the Corporation, when the number of athletes who have met the eligibility standards of such entities is insufficient to fill the roster for an event.

Perhaps
since the mentioned events are under the US Olympic Committee it has to do with their rules standards or stated goals.
USOC not involved with IAAF Worlds

In the chase still-- Elliott
since Mathew Centrowitz seems to be injured( on some not yet clear level ) a B gets him in position should Mathew have a serious injury.
EDIT 7 july- Salazar says Centrowitz is not injured just jet lagged, embarrassed about the first time he ever DNFed and will be ready to go @ Monoco
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:52 pm

A whole slew of Americans just ran 3:34 and several more ran 3:35 in Belgium; see Front Page
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby pickle47 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:42 pm

Cory McGee 4:09.xx in Belgium.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:37 am

Shalaya Kipp runs soon in France.......less than 3 hours from now!!
She needs the "A" of 9:43.
Wish her well.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby donley2 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:35 pm

aaronk wrote:Shalaya Kipp runs soon in France.......less than 3 hours from now!!
She needs the "A" of 9:43.
Wish her well.


No "A" for Kipp 9:47.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:56 pm

donley2 wrote:
aaronk wrote:Shalaya Kipp runs soon in France.......less than 3 hours from now!!
She needs the "A" of 9:43.
Wish her well.


No "A" for Kipp 9:47.


She tweeted that she fell on the next to last water jump!
That she still ran as fast as she did shows she was on pace to get the A.
She'll try again....and get it.
BTW, her tweet says she ran 9:45.

ADD: Saw the results, and it says 9:47.45.......so Kipp probably just tweeted wrong.
Also, the woman who won the race, Ayana, is the same woman who finished 2nd to Dibaba in the 5K....with her 14:25 PR.
She ran 9:38 today.
Not bad, considering her 14:25 was just 2 days ago!
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby gh » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:45 am

our latest take on the overall situation now posted to front page (and as it says, all amendments most welcome!; this remains a confusing setup)
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:19 am

aaronk wrote:Also, the woman who won the race, Ayana, is the same woman who finished 2nd to Dibaba in the 5K....with her 14:25 PR.

She ran 9:38 today. Not bad, considering her 14:25 was just 2 days ago!


Yes, but 14:25 is about on par with a 9:10, so a 9:38 is like coming back and running a 15:20.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:44 pm

Some throwing notes:

No 2013 Big Winds meet in Hawaii.

Here are some meets some of the chasers will be at:

Wed, July 17th -- Olympic Training Center California
-- Mike Torie (discus)
Sat, July 20th -- Claremont College California
-- Mike Torie (discus)

Fri, July 12th -- Mahwah New Jersey
-- James Plummer (discus)
Tue, July 16th -- Neptune New Jersey
-- James Plummer (discus)
Fri, July 19th -- Mahwah New Jersey
-- James Plummer (discus)

Sat, July 20 -- Chicagoland Summer Throws Series, Lisle Illinois
-- Kyle Smith (javelin)
-- Kara Patterson (javelin)
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby tandfman » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:08 pm

bushop wrote:Some throwing notes:

No 2013 Big Winds meet in Hawaii.

Here are some meets some of the chasers with be at:

Wed, July 17th -- Olympic Training Center California
-- Mike Torie (discus)
Sat, July 20th -- Claremont College California
-- Mike Torie (discus)

Fri, July 12th -- Mahwah New Jersey
-- James Plummer (discus)
Tue, July 16th -- Neptune New Jersey
-- James Plummer (discus)
Fri, July 19th -- Mahwah New Jersey
-- James Plummer (discus)

Sat, July 20 -- Chicagoland Summer Throws Series, Lisle Illinois
-- Kyle Smith (javelin)
-- Kara Patterson (javelin)

If I read the USATF selection procedures correctly, of those you've mentioned, only Plummer and Patterson would be able to chase a standard. If you finished below the top 4 at the Nationals, you cannot chase--your best qualifying performance is locked in when your event is finished at the Nationals.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby bushop » Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:20 pm

tandfman wrote:If I read the USATF selection procedures correctly, of those you've mentioned, only Plummer and Patterson would be able to chase a standard. If you finished below the top 4 at the Nationals, you cannot chase--your best qualifying performance is locked in when your event is finished at the Nationals.

Common opinion seems to be folks believe USATF may wobble. They hope if they hit an "A" and the roster is not filled they may get to go.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby gh » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:48 pm

I may have contributed to thoughts about "wobbling," but I think the exceptions they have made in the past have been only for those who already had an A/B at the time of the nationals, and those were processed for possible team inclusion then.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby wineturtle » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:00 am

Agree gh
I'd venture the guess that unless you have been processed already you will not get a berth on the team.. Seems that everyone already processed got sent a Team USA Kit (Goucher,& Cain to mention two who published about it)
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:30 am

Does that mean that an athlete that is qualified in one event (e.g., shot) would be able to advance to the team in another (e.g., the discus) outside the narrow guidelines because they would already have the processing done?
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby tandfman » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:21 pm

Interesting question. Very unlikely to happen in the example you gave.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby bushop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:30 pm

Cyrus Hostetler via Facebook wrote:Cyrus Hostetler July 11
Still chipping away. 77.46m today at the Hayward all comers meet (254' 2"). Few more meters to go.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby tandfman » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:09 pm

One of the reasons a lot of people are confused is that there is misinformation out there. I just saw an item on another track website that says, quite clearly (about the women's 10,000):

Jordan needs to run the "A" or the "B."
Tara needs to run the "A." If she runs the "B," she can only make the team if Jordan gets the "A."

This is simply not true. Yes, if Tara Erdmann runs the B, she can make the team If Jordan Hasay gets the A. But she also makes the team the team if Hasay gets neither the A nor the B. If Hasay doesn't finish the race and Erdman gets the B, she's on the team. So the word "only" in the quoted text is just wrong, and it and adds to the confusion.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:17 pm

tandfman wrote:One of the reasons a lot of people are confused is that there is misinformation out there. . . . the word "only" in the quoted text is just wrong, and it and adds to the confusion.

While the current qual system appears AFU, I actually prefer it to the older methodologies and think it adds to the suspense and excitement of the 'game' (making the team). 8-)
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:57 am

Cory McGee.......4:06.67!!!
Our women's 1500 team is Treniere Moser, Mary Cain, and.....CORY McGEE!!!!!
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:05 am

If you had that trifecta last June you would have won the Powerball-equivalent...
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:09 am

aaronk wrote:Cory McGee.......4:06.67!!!
Our women's 1500 team is Treniere Moser, Mary Cain, and.....CORY McGEE!!!!!


Forgot to include our Wild Card.....Jenny Simpson!! :oops:

26mi235 wrote:If you had that trifecta last June you would have won the Powerball-equivalent...


You're certainly correct on that!!
Most would've picked Uceny, Rowbury, and maybe CWT, with Simpson as the Wild Card.

Of course, after Cain started breaking records indoors, I saw her as WC possibility!! 8-)
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Rothosen » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:13 am

Extremely happy that Cory McGee cannot get bumped.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby gh » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:26 am

also means that Rowbury now runs the 5000.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby az2004 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:11 am

lets say one of the current 1500 got hurt, I would presume rowbury is the fefailt back up for the team
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby booond » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:22 am

Good for her. She'll need luck to get beyond the heats unless she reduces her PB some but you never know.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby pickle47 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:27 am

My streaming died on the last lap of the 5k, but it looked like Ryan Hill was going to make sub-13:20.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Alan Sigmon » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:30 am

Hill (who hails from Hickory, NC, where I sit typing this): 13:14.22
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:41 am

ALL the Americans got "A"'s today in the 5K.....

True..................13:11.59
Mead.................13:11.80
Bumbalough.........13:12.01
Hill...................13:14.22

Of course, Hill's was the important one, as this puts him on the team!!
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby TN1965 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:46 pm

Rothosen wrote:Extremely happy that Cory McGee cannot get bumped.


I bet Chelsea Riley is not very happy...
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby tandfman » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:52 pm

Was Rowbury planning to run the 1500 and not the 5000 if McGee hadn't made the standard? If she was planning to run the 5000 all along, then what happened in the 1500 wouldn't have mattered to Reilly.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Fortius19 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:08 pm

Happy for Hill, but bummed for True, who got, not one, but two(!) fourth place finishes at USATF Nats. He was having a banner year until then.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Half Miler » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:32 pm

tandfman wrote:Was Rowbury planning to run the 1500 and not the 5000 if McGee hadn't made the standard? If she was planning to run the 5000 all along, then what happened in the 1500 wouldn't have mattered to Reilly.


Rowbury had stated in an interview that she would prefer to contest the 1500.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby az2004 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:09 am

I agree rowbury would have had a better chance in the 1500 over the 5k but the usa trial system means you you have your chance to peak in des moines, then again in moscow
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Alan Shank » Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:23 pm

Cory McGee made the standard the hard way, IMO. According to the story on flrunners.com, she ran 63, 2:08, 3:16.53, so last 300 was 50.14, almost 67 pace. In her post-race interview, she said, "We went out at a ridiculous pace", and also that she thought the 400 was 60. To me, this indicates she can improve some more with better pacing. However, no need for that before the Worlds. Since she beat faster 1500 runners at Des Moines in that very slow race, she may be well suited for the heats in Moscow. Making the semis would be a good accomplishment for her.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby Master Po » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:36 pm

Fortius19 wrote:Happy for Hill, but bummed for True, who got, not one, but two(!) fourth place finishes at USATF Nats. He was having a banner year until then.


^ Yes.
Furthermore, I have a lot of respect for Ben True, throughout this year. I thought he ran a great, gutsy race at WXC; I was really impressed with his 6th place finish & leading his team to a silver medal. Even though I have been encouraged by those more venerable than me to see WXC as a glorified intramural meet engaged in by various sorts of nobodies, I still see it as a meaningful event and I was impressed by True's run there -- unafraid of the course, conditions, and competition. I was also impressed by his performances at USATF, though he fell short of the WC team in both. Finally, I was most impressed by what I saw as the athletic integrity of his run at Heusden. He knew what was at stake for him if Hill made the "A," and he could have either not run there at all or drifted back of Hill (and still run a solid time), but he was one of the leaders of the pack who kept the pace honest and led Hill to his 13:14. Finally, he was the first guy -- or one of the first -- to go over to Hill after the race and congratulate him on the success of his run. Ben True will not be representing USA in Moscow, but he is the sort of athlete I would be proud to have wearing that singlet.
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby az2004 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:24 am

McGee has an outside chance to advance a round in Moscow, but I do not give her a chance after that

maybe she gets sacrificed as a part of usa team tactics as all usa w1500 are in the mix, but not sure bets

simpson is strong but I do wonder abou her final 200 off a slow pace, so McGee makes the pace fast helps simpson

but cain lsst last off a slower pace might be her best bet
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby exdrake » Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:57 am

Great post Master Po.

What incredible sportsmanship by True to essentially rabbit the 2nd group with his spot at stake and, sure enough, Hill took his spot. It was practically an intentional "Julia Lucas move" ('12 trials womens 5000m).

I nearly posted (somewhat sarcastically), on the Hasay/Erdman thread and prior to the Hasay time-trial, that K. Goucher should rabbit them out of sportsmanship.

That type of thing seems a throwback to an earlier (much) era but ....here it was just days ago. I understand it is likely that his overriding goal was to get his own best time (which he did) but still..................
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:31 am

az2004 wrote:simpson is strong but I do wonder abou her final 200 off a slow pace, so McGee makes the pace fast helps simpson


You mean like when she won Gold, and is hence the defending champion?
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Re: Chase the A and B status

Postby booond » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:57 am

26mi235 wrote:
az2004 wrote:simpson is strong but I do wonder abou her final 200 off a slow pace, so McGee makes the pace fast helps simpson


You mean like when she won Gold, and is hence the defending champion?


In case you missed it she's the one in front at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KZCvX40-MQ
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