Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)


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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:18 pm

bobguild76 wrote:29:22 .. 2 laps to go.


A seems like it's gone. B likely. Still on roughly a 31:55 pace.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:19 pm

31:46 ...
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:20 pm

31:46, 71 last lap!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:20 pm

1.x seconds off the B then 1.y seconds off the A.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:21 pm

bobguild76 wrote:31:46 ...

No way! Man, she must have hammered the last two laps. Congrats to Hasay for a 20 second PR!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:21 pm

What a race! Oh so close to the A, but a 20 second PR and a great effort!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Tuariki » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:23 pm

Very good run. Pity she couldn't quite get to 31:45. That probably won't make Aaronk happy. That's one down and one to go.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:25 pm

Good post race interview. Hey Bob ... great doing the Bob & Bob show. And bruce also! Time for bed!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Alan Shank » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:26 pm

So, Erdmann needs an A to go to Moscow, right? Or Hastings can go? After all the hype about "best female workout ever", etc., I'm somewhat surprised Hasay could not get the A.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:27 pm

These great Sunday night west coast races are killers for those of us on the other side of the country! And they started late, supposedly hoping the temp would drop a bit more.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:28 pm

Too bad she missed it by so little. Prophetic words from Jordan's interview: "Alberto just says he doesn't want one of us run 31:50. That would be just be a waste." Now Tara has to run the A.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:29 pm

Erdmann will need to run nearly 40 seconds faster than she did in Des Moines to make the team.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:30 pm

Alan Shank wrote:So, Erdmann needs an A to go to Moscow, right? Or Hastings can go? After all the hype about "best female workout ever", etc., I'm somewhat surprised Hasay could not get the A.

Well, even though this thing was set up for her, that had to add to the pressure on her. Such expectations make some of us crack!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:34 pm

Bob Duncan wrote:
Alan Shank wrote:So, Erdmann needs an A to go to Moscow, right? Or Hastings can go? After all the hype about "best female workout ever", etc., I'm somewhat surprised Hasay could not get the A.

Well, even though this thing was set up for her, that had to add to the pressure on her. Such expectations make some of us crack!

I wouldn't call missing the goal by 1+ seconds "cracking". Had the pace been on schedule instead of having to make up 9 seconds over the last 2 laps, she would've made it.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:35 pm

Alan Shank wrote:So, Erdmann needs an A to go to Moscow, right? Or Hastings can go? After all the hype about "best female workout ever", etc., I'm somewhat surprised Hasay could not get the A.
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Thanks greatly to Bob Duncan & bruce3404, the updaters. Very much appreciated.


So Erdman has to earn it the toughest way. Hope she has good weather for her attempt.

Hastings still wondering whether to train or plan an August barbecue. Goucher is done, whatever.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:37 pm

The reason to split the races was probably so that Erdmann now knows she has to run 31:44, not 32:04.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:40 pm

26mi235 wrote:The reason to split the races was probably so that Erdmann now knows she has to run 31:44, not 32:04.


I'm sure the belief all along was that of the two, Hasay had the better chance of making the "A" and split, Erdman would then enter her race only having to make the "B'.

Now Erdman has to run the race of her life--which, although tough time-wise, is actually freeing, in that the mindset is now one shot for all the marbles.

Good things can happen.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby aaronk » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:41 pm

Well, it RESEMBLED a race.
But it was, in the end, just a glorified training session, with a set time goal in mind, which was NOT achieved!!
Yes, she got a PR, which places her 24th fastest American, A-T......but just barely.
And because she FAILED to acheive her goal, this places a much heavier BURDEN on the shoulders (and legs!!) of Tara Erdmann, who MUST run 31:45 on the 19th...or she stays home!!!

Could it have been done better?
Absolutely!!
First, Erdmann should have run WITH Hasay!!
Separating them was the first mistake.
The second mistake was having male pacers.......who obviously did NOT deliver!!
They FAILED to keep good pace for Hasay, a virtual rookie in 10K running.
Alberto Salazar has to be held to SOME of the blame!!
Just as at PTF, when he "forgot" about Mary Cain, he (and/or his assistants) FAILED to have Hasay pick up the pace at the time she needed to!!
If she hadn't dawdled that 4th mile.....as SHE HERSELF admitted doing!!!!!.......she probably would have gotten the mark!!
(Kara Goucher made the same mistake in the Stanford race, where she ran almost an identical time to what Hasay ran tonight!!)

Now the BURDEN is on Tara Erdmann.
I hope Erdmann gets under 31:45.
If she doesn't, then I believe Salazar and Company need to REASSESS their strategy they used tonight....and all this past week or more......first having them run together, then moving the date and the location...and finally separating them.....making achieving their GOALS that much more difficult!!!

Congratulations to Jordan Hasay for her PR....and for getting to go to Moscow.
I just hope Hasay hasn't made it impossible for Tara Erdmann to join her!!!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:47 pm

aaronk wrote:Alberto Salazar has to be held to SOME of the blame!!
Just as at PTF, when he "forgot" about Mary Cain, he (and/or his assistants) FAILED to have Hasay puck up the pace at the time she needed to!!
If she hadn't dawdled that 4th mile.....as SHE HERSELF admitted doing!!!!!.......she probably would have gotten the mark!!


Man, you really have a problem.

[But at least you got your beloved runner's name into the thread yet again.]
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:56 pm

aaronk wrote:First, Erdmann should have run WITH Hasay!!
Separating them was the first mistake.
The second mistake was having male pacers.......who obviously did NOT deliver!!

You don't really explain why these are "mistakes". Had Erdmann also run, who's to say she would've run an "A". If she was following the pace, she would've ended up short like Hasay. Even though it's a tougher situation, at least she knows exactly what she needs to do.
2nd, if they didn't have male pacers, they would've had to run from the front and set the pace themselves. Who''s to say that would've had a better result? Having pacers is a good strategy. The fact that they didn't do a good job and Hasay not picking up the pace is an execution problem, not a strategy problem.
Again, your after the fact critique has little basis. There is nothing in your explanation that "proves" that your strategy would've been any better.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby aaronk » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:00 pm

Brian wrote:
aaronk wrote:Alberto Salazar has to be held to SOME of the blame!!
Just as at PTF, when he "forgot" about Mary Cain, he (and/or his assistants) FAILED to have Hasay puck up the pace at the time she needed to!!
If she hadn't dawdled that 4th mile.....as SHE HERSELF admitted doing!!!!!.......she probably would have gotten the mark!!


Man, you really have a problem.

[But at least you got your beloved runner's name into the thread yet again.]
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Ignoring what you said about me bringing MARY CAIN into my comment......(And, BTW, wasn't that her yelling at Hasay from the infield???)......here is why I hold Salazar at least PARTIALLY to blame for Hasay's FAILED attempt.

He knew EXACTLY what pace she needed to run.
She said the 4th mile was slower than planned.
Why??
Because Salazar.....and/or his assistants......were NOT keeping Hasay aware of her pace.
Or if they were, they were lackadaisical in allowing her to stay on a 78 second lap pace for a few laps....when she NEEDED to be running 76's!!!
Wasn't he monitoring her every step??
Wasn't he checking his watch every 100 meters....or at least every 200 meters....to see if she was on pace...or falling behind??
If he SAW her falling behind, why didn't he yell at her to run a 36 or so 200 to get back on pace....or a 17 or 18 second 100......at the time when she most needed it?
Was he depending on her being able to run a 68 or 70 final 400....to make up for the slower earlier pace??
For anyone (other than maybe Tirunesh Dibaba!!) to be expected to run a fast last lap after having run fast for 24 laps.......is placing an UNNECESSARY burden on her shoulders....and TIRED LEGS!!!!!
She got a PR.......but it should have been TWO SECONDS faster!!!
And it was her TEAM'S responsibility to help her do it!!

I just hope they learn from their mistakes tonight....and do a better job with Tara Erdmann on Friday evening!!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:09 pm

aaronk wrote:
Brian wrote:
aaronk wrote:Alberto Salazar has to be held to SOME of the blame!!
Just as at PTF, when he "forgot" about Mary Cain, he (and/or his assistants) FAILED to have Hasay puck up the pace at the time she needed to!!
If she hadn't dawdled that 4th mile.....as SHE HERSELF admitted doing!!!!!.......she probably would have gotten the mark!!


Man, you really have a problem.

[But at least you got your beloved runner's name into the thread yet again.]
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Ignoring what you said about me bringing MARY CAIN into my comment......(And, BTW, wasn't that her yelling at Hasay from the infield???)......



You just did it again!

My God, you're so far gone when it comes to this young girl, I don't think you even realize what you're saying these days.

And a Creep Factor of +10 for pointing out so proudly that you spotted her at the meet.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Tuariki » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:11 pm

Aaronk - you really are pathetic. I hope no one had the misfortune to be coached by a guru genius like you. Poor old Alberto, I imagine it was also his fault that Rupp didn't get a second silver. Hell it was probably Alberto's fault his beloved failed to break 4 minutes.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:20 pm

Hey, ease up, Tuariki!

We all know how f*-ing EASY it is to run 25 laps almost 1 second per lap faster than we have before in our careers.

Shame on Alberto for scheduling mid-race fatigue! And the 4th mile is the easiest one of all...feeling the strain with over two miles to go? Just run it faster! There, problem solved!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:36 pm

Erdmann is probably just as capable as Hasay in running 31:45. Her PR of 32:09 was only 3 seconds off of Hasay's PR prior to tonight, and her 5k PR is faster than Hasay's. Also, she's been running the 10k for at least 4 years. Don't blame the coach or another athlete if she doesn't make the team. Ultimately, the athlete has to perform, and run the standard established.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:46 pm

[quote="aaronk]If he SAW her falling behind, why didn't he yell at her to run a 36 or so 200 to get back on pace....or a 17 or 18 second 100......at the time when she most needed it?
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So easy...

Hasay's race.
First priority: Get your own qualifier so you can go to Moscow, "A" if possible, "B" if not.
Second priority:

...nothing.

Really. Getting an "A" would perhaps help qualify Erdman, in that she would need only the "B" standard. But Hasay's responsibility is first and foremost to qualify herself, team or no team.

She ran at or below the "B" standard all the way. When inevitable fatigue set in during the 4th mile, sure, Salazar could have yelled at her to "a 36 or so 200" or "a 17 or 18 second 100"--4:48 and 4:32 1600m. pace, respectively--and maybe she'd have gotten back on "A" pace.

Or maybe, just maybe, she'd have BLOWN UP from the extreme change of pace later in the race and ended up with nothing.

As a coach, do you take away her sure-thing "B" in mid-race hoping for something better or do you let her carry on, still comfortably under the "B" pace.

Do you honor her effort or do you treat her like a wind-up machine and scream at her to perhaps overextend herself...?

Salazar honored Hasay, and rightly so. It was her day.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby aaronk » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:05 pm

Brian wrote:[quote="aaronk]If he SAW her falling behind, why didn't he yell at her to run a 36 or so 200 to get back on pace....or a 17 or 18 second 100......at the time when she most needed it?
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So easy...

Hasay's race.
First priority: Get your own qualifier so you can go to Moscow, "A" if possible, "B" if not.
Second priority:

...nothing.

Really. Getting an "A" would perhaps help qualify Erdman, in that she would need only the "B" standard. But Hasay's responsibility is first and foremost to qualify herself, team or no team.

She ran at or below the "B" standard all the way. When inevitable fatigue set in during the 4th mile, sure, Salazar could have yelled at her to "a 36 or so 200" or "a 17 or 18 second 100"--4:48 and 4:32 1600m. pace, respectively--and maybe she'd have gotten back on "A" pace.

Or maybe, just maybe, she'd have BLOWN UP from the extreme change of pace later in the race and ended up with nothing.

As a coach, do you take away her sure-thing "B" in mid-race hoping for something better or do you let her carry on, still comfortably under the "B" pace.

Do you honor her effort or do you treat her like a wind-up machine and scream at her to perhaps overextend herself...?

Salazar honored Hasay, and rightly so. It was her day.
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Congrats to Jordan Hasay for running a 20 second PR and making the team!
There....satisfied??
Now, back to the REALITY of the situation.

1. This attempt has been planned since she ran her 10K at USATF.
2. Instead of Galen or Mo or someone else capable of being a pacer, Salazar instead chooses 40 year old twins who can't run much faster than Hasay to pace her.
3. They do NOT hold a steady pace, running a 78, then a 75, then a 77, then a 76, then 78, then 75, and so on!! Steady is....STEADY!!!
4. She falls behind. Why?? Tired?? Maybe. But it wouldn't have made much difference to move from a 78 to a 77, or from a 77 to a 76. Nothing drastic, just enough!!
5. He separates Hasay and Erdmann. In pre-run interviews, BOTH said they could run A's!! No talk of a B!! But now, she MUST run an A........or stay home. If they'd run together, and if Hasay had run the same exact time....31:46......then all Erdmann would have had to do was run 32:05.....NOT 31:45!!
So Hasay gets HER team spot.....but now it's much more difficult for Erdmann to get HER team spot!!

Poor planning!!!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby aaronk » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:15 pm

Absolutely CREEPY.......to recognize the face of a person who just made the FOLD-OUT of T&FN....whose photo has been in EVERY issue of T&FN since March issue......who has become the FOCUS of Tim Hutchings et al in their play-by-plays of her races!!
Excuuuuuuuuse me....for noticing the most famous FACE in American running circles these past 6 months......as the FloTrack camera showed her screaming her head off at Hasay.....for about 3 laps or so!!!

BTW, is there a "creep factor of +10" for noticing Salazar??
Because if there is, then I'm the CREEPIEST guy on this planet!!!
I noticed HIM.....before, during, and after Hasay's run!!!

(I also noticed Tara Erdmann! And if Galen Rupp, Mo Farah, or Treniere Moser had been there, I would have noticed THEM too!!!)

Yep, soooooooooo CREEPY, you can not imagine!!! :shock:
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Peter Michaelson » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:00 am

According to LetsRun thread, Erdmann has a tender Achilles.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Marlow » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:23 am

aaronk wrote: just a glorified training session, with a set time goal in mind, which was NOT achieved!!
Yes, she got a PR....but just barely.
And because she FAILED to acheive her goal
Could it have been done better? Absolutely!!
Separating them was the first mistake.
The second mistake was having male pacers.......who obviously did NOT deliver!!
They FAILED to keep good pace for Hasay
Alberto Salazar has to be held to SOME of the blame!!
he (and/or his assistants) FAILED to have Hasay pick up the pace at the time she needed to!!
I believe Salazar and Company need to REASSESS their strategy they used tonight

Yer killing me, smalls.
There used to be a guy here named eldrick who also thought runners were automatons. Running this fast is very hard. Salazar and his charges are doing the best they can, which is to say, better than anyone else could, so perhaps we need to lighten up on the criticisms.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby booond » Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:52 am

aaronk wrote:
2. Instead of Galen or Mo or someone else capable of being a pacer,


Weren't you against male pacers? You spent plenty of time deriding the idea right up until the gun went off, now you want Galen or Mo to do the pacing. Aren't they males?
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby DrJay » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:01 am

Yeah, Salazar and his "Team" are real f!*kups. Don't know squat about coaching distance runners. Probably be working at a car wash by year's end.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby kuha » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:09 am

Marlow wrote:Yer killing me, smalls.
There used to be a guy here named eldrick who also thought runners were automatons. Running this fast is very hard. Salazar and his charges are doing the best they can, which is to say, better than anyone else could, so perhaps we need to lighten up on the criticisms.


Yup. Armchair quarterbacks (or refs, or crazed parents, or crazed-parent-wanna-bes) may be automatons; athletes are not.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby DrJay » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:16 am

Marlow wrote:Yer killing me, smalls.
There used to be a guy here named eldrick who also thought runners were automatons. Running this fast is very hard. Salazar and his charges are doing the best they can, which is to say, better than anyone else could, so perhaps we need to lighten up on the criticisms.


Yeah, but at least eldrick was logical and scientific (to a fault) in his approach. I kinda miss his numbers.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby pickle47 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:56 am

I have three boys. When one of them starts to bother the other, at some point I just tell the bothered one to ignore the botherer and eventually he will just go away.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby aaronk » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:13 am

DrJay wrote:
Marlow wrote:Yer killing me, smalls.
There used to be a guy here named eldrick who also thought runners were automatons. Running this fast is very hard. Salazar and his charges are doing the best they can, which is to say, better than anyone else could, so perhaps we need to lighten up on the criticisms.


Yeah, but at least eldrick was logical and scientific (to a fault) in his approach. I kinda miss his numbers.


Did you see the interview with Salazar after Hasay's run?
HE was critical of HIMSELF!!
Albeit for different reasons than in my critique.
He said he didn't rest her enough after super hard workouts.
He said that people more experienced, like Goucher, could handle it better, that Hasay may have been too new to the harder workouts, and thus needed different handling AFTER those hard workouts.
And he said it was HIS fault!
He sounded VERY humble and self-effacing in his comments.

As for being scientific, forget it. Science ain't my thing.
But here's a bit of logic.

They'd set the 5K goal at 15:55, thus calling for a negative split.
What if they'd set the 5K at 15:50 instead?
She'd be most tired in the 2nd half, just when they were wanting her to run faster!!
Even to the point of wanting her to run a 70 or faster last lap!
If she'd passed 5K in 15:50....instead of 15:55......she'd have been 5 secs AHEAD of pace instead of 5 secs BEHIND!!
Those 5 seconds probably wouldn't have been noticeable to her.......especially if they'd been fairly evenly divided among those 12+ laps.
With those extra 5 seconds, she'd have had some "wiggle room" to slow down a bit in the 2nd half...when she was most tired.

Yes, maybe the final result would have been the same.
It's hard to say.
But maybe, just maybe, those extra 5 seconds would have brought her in under the goal!!
To put all (or most) of their marbles on a 70 sec final lap was placing too much of a burden on already tired legs.

And Salazar even said as much in the post-run interview.
He said she'd done these kinds of things in workouts.
And he admitted his mistake was in thinking she could do the same in a race situation.

I respect Salazar a LOT......he's had MAJOR successes with SEVERAL people!!
But just as no athlete is a perfect machine (an "automaton"), no coach is perfect in his/her strategizing.
Salazar basically said as much himself!!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:14 am

aaronk wrote:Congrats to Jordan Hasay for running a 20 second PR and making the team!
There....satisfied??
Now, back to the REALITY of the situation.

1. This attempt has been planned since she ran her 10K at USATF.
2. Instead of Galen or Mo or someone else capable of being a pacer, Salazar instead chooses 40 year old twins who can't run much faster than Hasay to pace her.
3. They do NOT hold a steady pace, running a 78, then a 75, then a 77, then a 76, then 78, then 75, and so on!! Steady is....STEADY!!!
4. She falls behind. Why?? Tired?? Maybe. But it wouldn't have made much difference to move from a 78 to a 77, or from a 77 to a 76. Nothing drastic, just enough!!
5. He separates Hasay and Erdmann. In pre-run interviews, BOTH said they could run A's!! No talk of a B!! But now, she MUST run an A........or stay home. If they'd run together, and if Hasay had run the same exact time....31:46......then all Erdmann would have had to do was run 32:05.....NOT 31:45!!
So Hasay gets HER team spot.....but now it's much more difficult for Erdmann to get HER team spot!!

Poor planning!!!

You keep repeating yourself with the same indefensible statements. Your statement in #5 is also completely wrong. 'if Hasay had run the same exact time....31:46......then all Erdmann would have had to do was run 32:05.." At least 1 of them had to run the A in order for both to make the team. Both running the B, whether in the same race or different races would have the same result.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:59 am

Alberto Salazar is a classy person and coach. He proved it once again in the post race interview, by shouldering the "blame" for the 1 sec miss of the A standard. The fact of the matter is that Jordan Hasay ran a 20 sec PR in her 4th (or was it 5th?) 10k of the season. It was an amazing performance, despite the heartbreaking fact that she missed the A standard by 1 second.

One of the marks of an excellent coach (or athlete) is the ability to learn from every race. Salazar would never blame his athlete for such a close miss, especially when she ran the best 10k of her life. No, he shouldered the blame himself, and thus allowed Hasay to enjoy the PR race. The joy in his face when he met Hasay after the race was genuine, and appropriate for the occasion.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:23 am

It's unfortunate that there was a conflict of interest in this race. Had Erdmann not been a Salazar athlete, we wouldn't be having most of this conversation since Salazar would have set Hasay up to run around 32 flat. I don't really believe that running 18+ seconds faster than she needed to will affect Hasay in Moscow (and psychologically, it might even help her), but if you look at it as a semi-final, you'd want your athlete to expend as little energy as possible to make the final.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:25 am

Samurai_Runner wrote:
Bob Duncan wrote:
Alan Shank wrote:So, Erdmann needs an A to go to Moscow, right? Or Hastings can go? After all the hype about "best female workout ever", etc., I'm somewhat surprised Hasay could not get the A.

Well, even though this thing was set up for her, that had to add to the pressure on her. Such expectations make some of us crack!

I wouldn't call missing the goal by 1+ seconds "cracking". Had the pace been on schedule instead of having to make up 9 seconds over the last 2 laps, she would've made it.

Naw, I didn't mean that she "cracked", as obviously she ran very, very well. I meant that she could have blown up big time, gotten nervous and distraught, as she has so many fans and people who place high expectations on her. We've all seen that happen before with runners who were pressured to deliver a win.

Hasay has repeatedly shown her toughness and resilience. With Salazar's guidance she will likely achieve some times many of us would not have thought possible. Her progression in the 10,000 this year is pretty amazing, especially given her long season.

I really hope that Erdmann can come through and get the A. Regardless of whether these "controlled" races are ethical, they sure have generated a lot of excitement and discussion. We can only speculate how last night's event might have played out if Erdmann had chosen to run.
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