Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)


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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:55 am

dustoff wrote:
ExCoastRanger wrote:Well she won her Academic AAs over everybody on the Stanford team (where she could have thrived academically if she so chose), not to mention Cal, UCLA, SC in the Pac-12 and everybody else that ran track and xc in the NCAA. Please show evidence of "political BS" if you're really going to stand by it.


It's not based on actual academic rigor. [Really? You know this; it is not just GPA] She is a fucking business major from Oregon. Are you really going to compare that to pre-meds and engineers from Stanford? [and yes, I know pre-meds and engineers from Stanford (I am married to one)]

You guys are beyond delusional.

Fact is, she has had a year and a half [yes, there are a lot of quality 10,000s every month of the year] to get the standard and needs some BS joke of a race to qualify for another race that she will likely get lapped twice in.


I think what bothers me most is this notion that if the athlete is not currently a good threat to medal at the WC/OG that they do not matter. I thought that this was a sport; why the hell do you not want to see people compete to the best your their ability.

I think that she will make it moot by qualifying tonight, but of course you will only have derogatory things to say.

She did not run the 10,000 until this spring, and you know it. Making irrelevant statements about the window does not change anything. Point out exactly when she would have had a great opportunity to qualify; you have ignored that question in your invective.

Do you know how they pick the Academic All Americans? Also, I think she was the top student at a very selective private high school; she has more horsepower than you seem to imply (and could have gone to Stanford, sans athletics).
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Brian » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:31 pm

Not making any judgments on the meet situation. Not a big fan of time-trials, but do acknowledge this as unique.

Just want to point out that recovery is everything, especially in a 25-lap race, and even more so for females.

With this in mind, the optimal path to ensuring as complete a recovery as possible before the championship itself is to run a qualifying time as easily as possible, including controlling the factors that may cause greater outside stress beyond the actual running itself. This includes travel--even to a differing time zone, much less halfway across the world. Also, sleeping in your own bed, eating your usual diet, etc.--all things best accomplished by staying as close to home as possible beforehand.

Salazar's duty is to his runners: To first get them there, and then to ensure they are as ready to go as possible once they are at the line.

And this is pretty much all that matters to Salazar (or any other good coach): To provide his runners with the best chance to go to the line at the World Championships as fresh and recovered as possible and ready to excel while representing their country--either to medal or, in the case of a young runner like Hasay, to simply have a good effort, the better to gain experience for the next time, by staying as close to the lead pack for as long as possible instead of being dropped immediately.

That's his job. Nothing else matters.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby booond » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:43 pm

Tuariki wrote:I guess at the end of the day Hasay is a good runner but not a world class runner and therefore it probably makes vey little difference where and when she runs her 10K races. However the commitments of running for Oregon would limit her opportunities.


Out of curiosity, where is the line you draw between "good" and "world class?" Also, is there a tier between them or does one take a step up from "good" to "world class?"
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby BCBaroo » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:17 pm

Thank good ness - for this meet. I need something positive to focus on...besides the "positives". Go girls! Run your hearts out!!! A, A!
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Tuariki » Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:52 pm

booond wrote:
Tuariki wrote:I guess at the end of the day Hasay is a good runner but not a world class runner and therefore it probably makes vey little difference where and when she runs her 10K races. However the commitments of running for Oregon would limit her opportunities.


Out of curiosity, where is the line you draw between "good" and "world class?" Also, is there a tier between them or does one take a step up from "good" to "world class?"


I guess the line between "good" and "world class" is in the eye of the beholder. 32:06 is clearly a very good 10K time. However, I believe world class is in the vicinity of 31:100. According to the IAAF 68 athletes have run faster than 31:00.

However,as the A standard is 31:45 perhaps that should be the defining line for world class.

I should also say that IMO Hasay is very good - not just good.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby DrJay » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:35 pm

Might some of you who are watching the race post occasional splits for those of us too cheap to sign up for Flotrack? Muchas gracias.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby DrJay » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:10 pm

Nevermind, had the time zone difference backwards. Thought "8:30" MDT, not 10:30. I'll check the results in the a.m.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:42 pm

Well, I see at least two people in the stadium right now, with nothing really happening. However, Flotrack is playing some pretty catchy music on their feed! (Still have 50 minutes to go)
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Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:46 pm

pickle47 wrote:Is it any wonder that athletes don't read these message boards?

My sentiments exactly! I love the back and forth about whether Hasay and/or Erdmann will make the A or B standard. I, for one, hope they both make it ... but the round and round about their GPA & quality of education vs Stanford or any other University is silly. The relevant issues are;

1. Are they breaking any rules? NO.
2. Will the race be IAAF compliant? YES.
3. End of story.

I don't think they much care what we think about the quality of their education, any more than they care about the quality of our education. This is an opportunity for them to go to the World Championships, fer cryin' out loud. We can speculate and cojutate and spindilate and blovulate till the cows come home about whether we think they should, but it's their choice, not ours, and they ain't breaking any rules.

No one is arguing that they will be medal threats. So what? They have a chance to qualify for the WC, and the opportunity to step on the track with Dibaba & Co, and experience the best our sport has to offer. If one or both make the team, I'll be rooting for them to run well in Moscow. If they don't, I'll root for whoever takes their place(s), and wish them continued improvement.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:23 pm

It's unfortunate that there are haters who wish to put down the athletes who we should be supporting. I applaud Salazar for doing everything he can (legally) to help his athletes EARN the opportunity to compete on the US team. It's not like it is being handed to them or they are cheating. Also, this selection process allows athletes who earned their placings (top 3) to be selected. Look at last year, when the "A" qualifiers knew they would be selected, no matter where they placed, and the 2nd placer (Natosha Rogers) was left home.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:25 pm

I have great video on FloTrack, but no audio. Yes ... I checked all my audio levels, but no joy. Anyone else in the same boat?
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:30 pm

Same here, no sound. Frustrating! :(
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Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:31 pm

Ugh! :(
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:36 pm

Please do keep us posted, Bob and Bob. Would be nice to know splits if you can see or hear them.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:37 pm

Yea! Sound just came on. But no Erdmann until later in the week. Go Jordan!

The race is now scheduled to begin at 9:45 local.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:39 pm

76.25 per lap with a last lap of 75 is a 31:45.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby pickle47 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:42 pm

Kevin Selby doing commentary for Flotrack. Some pre-race interviews right now, outlining the IAAF rules and their efforts to comply.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby pickle47 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:46 pm

Eight or so other women in the race. One with 5k PB of 15:34.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:47 pm

Did they have to set up cones? I read that they installed a rail, but the IAAF still didn't approve it.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:47 pm

And they're off ...
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:49 pm

First lap 78 ... just a tad slow.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby pickle47 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:49 pm

It was the Roosevelt track that needed cones. This Jesuit track has a rail and is compliant.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby pickle47 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:51 pm

77.2, 75.3, 2nd and 3rd.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:52 pm

5:08 first mile. Target was 5:05. Looking good and smooth.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:53 pm

bobguild76 wrote:First lap 78 ... just a tad slow.


77 second laps will get her a B, so a 5:08 has her right on the money.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:54 pm

78, 77.2, 75.3, 77 (5:07.8) at 1600 meters
Jordan's running behind three men, but down a couple of seconds for 31:45 pace
Temp about 68 degrees
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:56 pm

bruce3404 wrote:
bobguild76 wrote:First lap 78 ... just a tad slow.


77 second laps will get her a B, so a 5:08 has her right on the money.

You are correct ... I mean a tad slow for the A standard, not the B.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:57 pm

10:09 for 3200. Looking good and smooth.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:58 pm

bobguild76 wrote:You are correct ... I mean a tad slow for the A standard, not the B.


I understood you the first time regarding an A. Obviously, Erdmann is rooting hard for a Hasay A.
My thought is that Hasay's ultimate goal is a B, but if she feels great after 8-10 laps, then maybe they pick it up and shoot for an A.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:58 pm

10:09 at 3200 after four laps around 75 or so.
Looking really smooth and comfortable.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:59 pm

bruce3404 wrote:
bobguild76 wrote:You are correct ... I mean a tad slow for the A standard, not the B.


I understood you the first time regarding an A. Obviously, Erdmann is rooting hard for a Hasay A.
My thought is that Hasay's ultimate goal is a B, but if she feels great after 8-10 laps, then maybe they pick it up and shoot for an A.


And pick it up they have......the 3200 time has her right on pace for an A (actually, a second off, but close enough at this stage)
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:01 pm

bruce3404 wrote:
bobguild76 wrote:You are correct ... I mean a tad slow for the A standard, not the B.


I understood you the first time regarding an A. Obviously, Erdmann is rooting hard for a Hasay A.
My thought is that Hasay's ultimate goal is a B, but if she feels great after 8-10 laps, then maybe they pick it up and shoot for an A.

I think Hasay's goal is an A, as that would make it easier for Erdmann. She pretty much said that in her interview and Salazar said she should make it easily.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:03 pm

5k at 15:55.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:04 pm

Samurai_Runner wrote:I think Hasay's goal is an A, as that would make it easier for Erdmann. She pretty much said that in her interview and Salazar said she should make it easily.


Bit of a conflict there with Hasay and Erdmann both running for Salazar. If Erdmann wasn't a Salazar runner, I'm thinking Hasay wouldn't have to work so hard and could just cruise to a B; but as you said, maybe she can cruise to an A without leaving too much out there.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:05 pm

Last lap in 75. One of the pacers is a master's runner.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:06 pm

bobguild76 wrote:5k at 15:55.

That puts her on a 31:50 pace, so she'll need to step it up a bit for an A, but looks in great shape for a B
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby pickle47 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:06 pm

I don't think there is any doubt about going for the A. That's the only way Ms. Erdman can go to Moscow. And JH looks good, only 18 seconds off her 5K PR.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:06 pm

bobguild76 wrote:5k at 15:55.

Looks like it's going to come down to the wire (like Cain's 5k).
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:08 pm

6400 in 20:24. Still a tad outside the A, but looking good.
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Re: Portland Roughriders Twilight--July 15 (19?)

Postby bruce3404 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:08 pm

bobguild76 wrote:6400 in 20:24. Still a tad outside the A, but looking good.


That puts her on 31:52 pace. Thanks to both of you for sharing the splits!
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