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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:54 am

Rothosen wrote:As for a 17 year old wanting to spend an extra two weeks with mom and dad do you know any 17 year olds? Remember being 17? They look for excuses to not be home. As for assured victory?


I have a 17-year old, and Eman has this down (much) better than you. It is one thing to want to be out of the house when you do not have that much going on. But, when you are as busy with a full time job of school and another one of track, I would bet a 17-year old girl would want to spend more time at home, not less. [Besides, she is a self-professed nerd, not a prom queen]
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby booond » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:55 pm

26mi235 wrote:
Rothosen wrote:As for a 17 year old wanting to spend an extra two weeks with mom and dad do you know any 17 year olds? Remember being 17? They look for excuses to not be home. As for assured victory?


I have a 17-year old, and Eman has this down (much) better than you. It is one thing to want to be out of the house when you do not have that much going on. But, when you are as busy with a full time job of school and another one of track, I would bet a 17-year old girl would want to spend more time at home, not less. [Besides, she is a self-professed nerd, not a prom queen]


Plus, there is a difference from wanting to hang with your friends at the mall and be away from home for three weeks.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby eman » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:00 pm

Rothosen wrote:Eman you missed my point on the 3000m. She would have went if she walked the 3000! As for a 17 year old wanting to spend an extra two weeks with mom and dad do you know any 17 year olds? Remember being 17? They look for excuses to not be home. As for assured victory? That's laughably parochial. All three medalists ran faster than Cain hss run. Your betting they couldn't run even faster? On what basis.

Somehow I doubt running the DL in London is better then faceing competitors you will see next year in Eugene. AND PLEASE WAKE UP! This was not an either or proposition. She would be well rested in a month for the Worlds. Look at the calendar.


Rothosen, for the "do you know any 17 year olds?" part of your post I forgive you. You don't know who I am so there is no way you could have known that I have been a club and high school track coach for 25 years now, thus knowing my fair share of 17 year old's.

And I am fully aware that the Moscow trip is a full month after the Donetsk trip thus giving young Mary Cain a month to recover and hopefully be ready for the World Championships.

My only question to you is, who else is doing the World Youth/World Championships double?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby norunner » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:06 pm

eman wrote:My only question to you is, who else is doing the World Youth/World Championships double?
That's not a fair question though, because how many other youth athletes are good enough to even qualify for Moscow? I can think of one, Hinriksdottir, and she would not be a good example because she does a different double, U18WC and U20EC within a week and she and her coach decided she should not go to Moscow.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby booond » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:37 pm

Does Mary Cain stand to gain more or lose more by competing?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Master Po » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:00 pm

I recognize that we have two meets going on...the hypothetical-non-Mary Cain edition of the WYC, and the actual WYC. Both are interesting to me, but lacking anything to contribute to the former, and given that this thread is titled "WYC," I thought I might post some results from Day 2 of the actual WYC, even though these are all on the IAAF web site for us to peruse. I realize this will probably cause this thread to sink like a stone, but who knows, might be something of interest here. Here are a few finals I found interesting:

M 100 (-0.4)
Youxue Mo (CHN) 10.35 PB/WYL
Ojie Edoburun (GBR) 10.35 PB
Reynier Mena (CUB) 10.37 PB
(Neither of the USA entrants made the final.)

W 100 (-0.8)
Ky Westbrook (USA) 11.33 PB
Ariana Washington (USA) 11.40
Angela Tenorio (ECU) 11.41
5.Irene Ekelund (SWE) 11.62

W 100h (0.0)
Yanique Thompson (JAM) 12.94 WYB
Dior Hall (USA) 13.01 PB
Mikiah Brisco (USA) 13.29 PB
4-6 also PB.

Octathlon, wSP, mLJ, wJT also done or near-done -- I'll leave those to others. :)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby eman » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:32 pm

norunner wrote:
eman wrote:My only question to you is, who else is doing the World Youth/World Championships double?
That's not a fair question though, because how many other youth athletes are good enough to even qualify for Moscow?

My point exactly!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby smc » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:36 pm

Master Po wrote:M 100 (-0.4)
Youxue Mo (CHN) 10.35 PB/WYL
Ojie Edoburun (GBR) 10.35 PB
Reynier Mena (CUB) 10.37 PB
(Neither of the USA entrants made the final.)


12.35 for Kenzo in the semi.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:47 pm

Master Po wrote:I recognize that we have two meets going on...the hypothetical-non-Mary Cain edition of the WYC, and the actual WYC. Both are interesting to me, but lacking anything to contribute to the former, and given that this thread is titled "WYC," I thought I might post some results from Day 2 of the actual WYC, even though these are all on the IAAF web site for us to peruse. I realize this will probably cause this thread to sink like a stone, but who knows, might be something of interest here. Here are a few finals I found interesting:

M 100 (-0.4)
Youxue Mo (CHN) 10.35 PB/WYL
Ojie Edoburun (GBR) 10.35 PB
Reynier Mena (CUB) 10.37 PB
(Neither of the USA entrants made the final.)

W 100 (-0.8)
Ky Westbrook (USA) 11.33 PB
Ariana Washington (USA) 11.40
Angela Tenorio (ECU) 11.41
5.Irene Ekelund (SWE) 11.62

W 100h (0.0)
Yanique Thompson (JAM) 12.94 WYB
Dior Hall (USA) 13.01 PB
Mikiah Brisco (USA) 13.29 PB
4-6 also PB.

Octathlon, wSP, mLJ, wJT also done or near-done -- I'll leave those to others. :)


Westbrook, Washington, and Hall are all returning as seniors next year!!
Is Mikiah Brisco the daughter of Valerie Brisco??

Also, watch for our Jamaican friends to start a war of words soon about a rivalry between Thompson and Hall!! :wink:
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby LopenUupunut » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:06 pm

Not-quite-16-year-old Artur Hämäläinen, son of Eduard, placed 5th in the octathlon. I hope he doesn't stop developing like his sister did :?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:16 am

eman wrote:
norunner wrote:
eman wrote:My only question to you is, who else is doing the World Youth/World Championships double?
That's not a fair question though, because how many other youth athletes are good enough to even qualify for Moscow?

My point exactly!!
I don't understand what your point is. Anyone good enough to qualify for Moscow is obviously good enough to start in Donezk. So your point is she is too good for the U18s ?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:09 am

Morgan Lake of Great Britain, age 16, has cleared 1.90 (6-2 and 3/4) in the Hept HJ, after running a PR of 14.12 in the 100H, for a 2-event total of 2028 points!!
(And she even tried 1.93, but missed!!)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:30 am

aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake of Great Britain, age 16, has cleared 1.90 (6-2 and 3/4) in the Hept HJ, after running a PR of 14.12 in the 100H, for a 2-event total of 2028 points!!
(And she even tried 1.93, but missed!!)

It is incredible for her and also for these young heptathletes,some of them indeed have terrific individual abilities,schippers in sprint,thompson in LJ,Gambetta in SP and Morgan Lake who can jump 1.90m HJ in 16y as a heptathlete.Vlasic jumped 1.85m once this season, :D
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby nianchengyu » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:38 am

nianchengyu wrote:
aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake of Great Britain, age 16, has cleared 1.90 (6-2 and 3/4) in the Hept HJ, after running a PR of 14.12 in the 100H, for a 2-event total of 2028 points!!
(And she even tried 1.93, but missed!!)

It is incredible for her and also for these young heptathletes,some of them indeed have terrific individual abilities,schippers in sprint,thompson in LJ,Gambetta/tossed 16.30m to qualify for EU23 final in SP and Morgan Lake who can jump 1.90m HJ in 16y as a heptathlete.BTW,Vlasic jumped 1.85m once this season.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:45 am

aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake of Great Britain, age 16, has cleared 1.90 (6-2 and 3/4) in the Hept HJ, after running a PR of 14.12 in the 100H, for a 2-event total of 2028 points!!
(And she even tried 1.93, but missed!!)

My question: why the hell is she doing the hep? Why the hep introduction in the youth? :(
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby gm » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:18 am

aaronk wrote:Is Mikiah Brisco the daughter of Valerie Brisco??


Uh, no. She's the sister of Dominique, a Univ. of Houston runner/jumper from Louisiana.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby tandfman » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:21 am

batonless relay wrote:
aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake of Great Britain, age 16, has cleared 1.90 (6-2 and 3/4) in the Hept HJ, after running a PR of 14.12 in the 100H, for a 2-event total of 2028 points!!
(And she even tried 1.93, but missed!!)

My question: why the hell is she doing the hep? Why the hep introduction in the youth? :(

Why not?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:35 am

tandfman wrote:
batonless relay wrote:
aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake of Great Britain, age 16, has cleared 1.90 (6-2 and 3/4) in the Hept HJ, after running a PR of 14.12 in the 100H, for a 2-event total of 2028 points!!
(And she even tried 1.93, but missed!!)

My question: why the hell is she doing the hep? Why the hep introduction in the youth? :(

Why not?

"tandfman", that's one of the problems that I have with European coaches; they start moving athletes to the multis too quick, imo (witness: Schippers, D.). 14.12 would possibly get Lake a scholarship to a D1 school; 1.90 definitely would! I would rather see her double than do a hep, but in Europe their is this rabid fascination with the hep.

Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:48 am

batonless relay wrote:"tandfman", that's one of the problems that I have with European coaches; they start moving athletes to the multis too quick, imo (witness: Schippers, D.). 14.12 would possibly get Lake a scholarship to a D1 school; 1.90 definitely would! I would rather see her double than do a hep, but in Europe their is this rabid fascination with the hep.

Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.
Have you considered that she may actually prefer the hep? I wouldn't want a coach for my kids who tells them what to do instead of letting them do what they enjoy.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:11 am

norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:"tandfman", that's one of the problems that I have with European coaches; they start moving athletes to the multis too quick, imo (witness: Schippers, D.). 14.12 would possibly get Lake a scholarship to a D1 school; 1.90 definitely would! I would rather see her double than do a hep, but in Europe their is this rabid fascination with the hep.

Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.
Have you considered that she may actually prefer the hep? I wouldn't want a coach for my kids who tells them what to do instead of letting them do what they enjoy.

If your past comments are prologue then you wouldn't want a sprint coach for your kids (or any other Europeans kids) because you don't believe Europeans can sprint. Kids prefer what they're exposed to and show some capability in. Someone introduced the Hep as an option. They're only "enjoying" it because it's been introduced. Conversely, because of the "points" from school competitions, kids in the US don't do multi-evnts because they only count for ONE win as opposed to multiple wins. Some of those kids, if exposed, would do well at the multis.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Master Po » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:16 am

110h semis done: Both USA athletes (Isaiah Moore & Marlon Humphrey) Q. Humphrey's Q of 13.28 in SF2 the WYL...for a couple of minutes, until Jaheel Hyde (JAM) posted a 13.22 in SF3. Should be a good final for those two -- perhaps others, as well, but those marks significantly ahead -- next fastest Q was 13.40.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:26 am

batonless relay wrote:If your past comments are prologue then you wouldn't want a sprint coach for your kids (or any other Europeans kids) because you don't believe Europeans can sprint. Kids prefer what they're exposed to and show some capability in. Someone introduced the Hep as an option. They're only "enjoying" it because it's been introduced. Conversely, because of the "points" from school competitions, kids in the US don't do multi-evnts because they only count for ONE win as opposed to multiple wins. Some of those kids, if exposed, would do well at the multis.
What do my believes have to do with anything? I'm not the one making any decisions which sports my kids should try, that's up to them.
Maybe Lake Morgan saw Jessica Ennis on TV and wanted to do what she was there (just one example of many). Your way is to force kids to do what you think they can do best, not what they enjoy most.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:34 am

norunner wrote:
batonless relay wrote:If your past comments are prologue then you wouldn't want a sprint coach for your kids (or any other Europeans kids) because you don't believe Europeans can sprint. Kids prefer what they're exposed to and show some capability in. Someone introduced the Hep as an option. They're only "enjoying" it because it's been introduced. Conversely, because of the "points" from school competitions, kids in the US don't do multi-evnts because they only count for ONE win as opposed to multiple wins. Some of those kids, if exposed, would do well at the multis.
What do my believes have to do with anything? I'm not the one making any decisions which sports my kids should try, that's up to them.
Maybe Lake Morgan saw Jessica Ennis on TV and wanted to do what she was there (just one example of many). Your way is to force kids to do what you think they can do best, not what they enjoy most.

Actually that's NOT my way, but I can see how you would think that by my comments - if you limit what I believe ONLY to what I've written. I don't believe anyone should be forced and had you stopped to breathe a bit you would see that what I'm talking about is the "mindset" of event selection (Euro v North America). You're welcome to go back and read where I mention multiple individual events in my previous post.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:20 am

Hinriksdottir is DQ'd in her 800 semi!!!!
As was Tesfaye of Ethiopia!!
No reason given so far....and no word of a protest!!

Hinriksdottir ran 2:02.44 in the race.
Tesfaye got a PR of around 2:04.....can't remember her exact time now.

One speculation is that they MIGHT have cut in too soon off the curve.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby gm » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:28 am

Keturah Orji 13.61/44-8 on her third attempt! Just 10cm shy of the HSR!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby icerunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:32 am

That is so sad to hear. I saw the race in the TV and I could not see any obvious lane violations. For a small country like Iceland it is hard to file a protest. If this would have been an American girl then they might listen to a protest.
Well all I can say is EJC is going to be PRETTY intresting because when someting like that happens to Anita she doesn't break down she wants a revenge and the only way to do that is to make a big statement at the EJC.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby gm » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:37 am

icerunner wrote:For a small country like Iceland it is hard to file a protest. If this would have been an American girl then they might listen to a protest.


Sorry, but you're WAY off base with that statement.

And, in fact, the Icelander has been reinstated.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:39 am

gm wrote:Keturah Orji 13.61/44-8 on her third attempt! Just 10cm shy of the HSR!


That makes her # 2 All-Time HS!!
And she's just a junior, with another year to go!!
(And 3 more jumps!!!)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:42 am

gm wrote:
icerunner wrote:For a small country like Iceland it is hard to file a protest. If this would have been an American girl then they might listen to a protest.


Sorry, but you're WAY off base with that statement.

And, in fact, the Icelander has been reinstated.


Did they say why she was DQ'd in the first place?
I lost the livestream right after the word that she was DQ'd.

And what about Tesfaye?
Was she also let back in??
That would affect the final line-up!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby icerunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:44 am

gm wrote:
icerunner wrote:For a small country like Iceland it is hard to file a protest. If this would have been an American girl then they might listen to a protest.


Sorry, but you're WAY off base with that statement.

And, in fact, the Icelander has been reinstated.


Sorry for those words of mine. I was a little harsh and judgemental there because of dissapointment. Thanks for informing me. :)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Rothosen » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:44 am

icerunner wrote:That is so sad to hear. I saw the race in the TV and I could not see any obvious lane violations. For a small country like Iceland it is hard to file a protest. If this would have been an American girl then they might listen to a protest.
Well all I can say is EJC is going to be PRETTY intresting because when someting like that happens to Anita she doesn't break down she wants a revenge and the only way to do that is to make a big statement at the EJC.


Thanks for the update. I was all over the net trying to find the reason for the dq. The IAAC site had nothing. I was surprised they didn't have it as news yet.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby huntinwr » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:49 am

Any way to get results besides the IAAF site. They still have not posted results from the morning session, which was many hours ago :?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Rothosen » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:49 am

Reinstated ????

Hooray! Now for a sub 2 final. Keep the updates coming. My live-feed is by carrier pigeon.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby huntinwr » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:57 am

huntinwr wrote:Any way to get results besides the IAAF site. They still have not posted results from the morning session, which was many hours ago :?


Never mind, I had a brain fart. I thought today was the 13th, excited about Alexa Efraimson in the 1,500 final tomorrow. :mrgreen:
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby 26mi235 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:59 am

batonless relay wrote:Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.


Do you mean that it should be the Pent or that there should not be one at this early stage in a career? Is your thinking that athletes should try a range of events but not be constrained in the set by those that are in the Hept group?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:03 am

26mi235 wrote:
batonless relay wrote:Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.


Do you mean that it should be the Pent or that there should not be one at this early stage in a career? Is your thinking that athletes should try a range of events but not be constrained in the set by those that are in the Hept group?


BTW, Morgan Lake's first day point total is 3736!!
Her Hept PR is 5725 from this year.
Don't know what her 2nd day is like, but she seems to have at least an outside shot at 6000!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:10 am

26mi235 wrote:
batonless relay wrote:Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.


Do you mean that it should be the Pent or that there should not be one at this early stage in a career? Is your thinking that athletes should try a range of events but not be constrained in the set by those that are in the Hept group?

I don't even think a Pent would satisfy me. If they're limiting how many events an athlete can do then why allow 5 or 7 or 10? They can always specialize later, I just think it's too early (I also don't believe in kids running marathons).
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:34 am

Orji improved again....to 44-11 (13.69) for silver. First was 13.75!!
Olivia Baker also got silver with her 53.38.
Another Baker (can't remember 1st name) from GB won in 52.77.
With Westbrook and Washington taking 1-2 in the 100 earlier, and probably others I haven't mentioned, this is turning out to be a GREAT WY for the USA......or just in general!!
(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! Or a 1.90 HJ in a Heptathlon??)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jjimbojames » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:41 am

aaronk wrote:Orji improved again....to 44-11 (13.69) for silver. First was 13.75!!
Olivia Baker also got silver with her 53.38.
Another Baker (can't remember 1st name) from GB won in 52.77.
With Westbrook and Washington taking 1-2 in the 100 earlier, and probably others I haven't mentioned, this is turning out to be a GREAT WY for the USA......or just in general!!
(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! Or a 1.90 HJ in a Heptathlon??)

Not Baker - Sabrina Bakare! Came here with a PB of 53.98
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby zidan » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:43 am

Jamaica running something of a mini riot so far at these games( missed out big time in the boys 100 of course) with two more big gold medal performance. WYL 45.86 for Manley in boys 400. Tiffany James bronze in the girls 400 and Jaheel Hyde closing the show with a big Championship record (13.13) in boys 110hurdles final.
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