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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:52 am

Morgan Lake's first javelin throw a foul - but it was less than 30m and she just looks an emotional mess.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:58 am

thanks jamal the TV link is great
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby mump boy » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:12 am

Tuariki wrote:Morgan Lake's first javelin throw a foul - but it was less than 30m and she just looks an emotional mess.


2nd one wasn't much better but at least it was legal

How on earth do you throw 39m with 4 strides and that technique ? :?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:22 am

The technique for nearly all of the girls is just atrocious
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby zidan » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:14 am

...And another Gold for jam in boys 400m hurdles( Marvin Williams). In fact it looked for a while that they could have been heading for a 1-2 finish, but Okeen William hit a hurdle and fell coming off the turn.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby zidan » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:20 am

.... And Christoff Bryan (Wolmer's high) is leading the boys high jump at 2.16m..
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:23 am

zidan wrote:...And another Gold for jam in boys 400m hurdles( Marvin Williams). In fact it looked for a while that they could have been heading for a 1-2 finish, but Okeen William hit a hurdle and fell coming off the turn.



That was unfortunate as he was the favorite to win. However, his teammate came through for the Gold and showed great sportsmanship. Well Done. :D
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Rothosen » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:30 am

Alexa Ephraimson gives it her best but only good enough for third. So the streak continues. No American has ever won the 1500 at this competition. Jordan Hasay's second place finish is stil the highest.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:32 am

Christoff Bryan gets the Bronze In the High Jump 8-)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby t_monk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:34 am

betterthanb4 wrote:Christoff Bryan gets the Bronze In the High Jump 8-)


Jiaxu Bai CHN 2nd

Sanghyeok Woo KOR GOLD
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:36 am

t_monk wrote:
betterthanb4 wrote:Christoff Bryan gets the Bronze In the High Jump 8-)


Jiaxu Bai CHN 2nd

Sanghyeok Woo KOR GOLD

Woo has a lovely technique i might add
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:39 am

t_monk wrote:
betterthanb4 wrote:Christoff Bryan gets the Bronze In the High Jump 8-)


Jiaxu Bai CHN 2nd

Sanghyeok Woo KOR GOLD


Yes. Good performances by both.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:42 am

The Boys 800m Final was exciting.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:49 am

Alexa Efraimson finished only 3rd, but she ran VERY close to her PR, running 4:16.07.
AND.....she finished just ahead of Bobby Clay, who had been ballyhooed on this forum by a few people earlier this year!!
The other American, Anna Maxwell, got a PR too...running 4:23.75.
Both are returning to HS in the fall!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:54 am

I unfortunately went to sleep and missed some of the evenings events but such is life....Must give a shout out to Tia Adanna Belle of my homeland in Barbados for grabbing a silver in the girls 400m hurdles with a personal best.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:00 am

These discuss throwers have a lot of pent up stuff lol....goodness me @ that Australian bloke
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:03 am

gm wrote:
aaronk wrote:Is Mikiah Brisco the daughter of Valerie Brisco??


Uh, no. She's the sister of Dominique, a Univ. of Houston runner/jumper from Louisiana.

Mikiah is Baton Rouge born and bred and the daughter of Leroy and Pennie, but wouldn't Valerie's kids' last name be Hooks, not Brisco?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:05 am

Saw that Morgan Lake opted out of running the 800.
I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.
I'm sure she was devastated by her poor LJ and JT, but look at American Alexa Harmon-Thomas, who was behind Lake after the first day.
She threw the jav just 21.58....and was behind Lake by 286 points after that event.
Yet Harmon-Thomas finished with 5200 points, a PR!!!

Hope Lake learns to deal better with a bad event or two....or maybe she needs to give up the Hept!!
I DO feel bad for her, however!!
Wish her well!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby t_monk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:10 am

Interesting fact re these Championships:
No Jamaican girls made the 100 or 200 finals and no US men made the 100 or 200 finals.


Do I think this means any great decline in the fates of the US/JAM sprint dominance? No. Just naming out a fact. I know where JA is concerned most of our top Youth Girls in the sprints had a combination or injury concerns and school focus.

I believe the same can be said about the US boys, especially where injuries are concerned.

JA is currently ranked 1st on the medal table based off of quality of medals with 4 Gold:

Rank Country Gold Silver Bronze total
1 Jamaica JAMAICA 4 0 2 6
2 Australia AUSTRALIA 3 0 1 4
3 Pr Of China PR OF CHINA 2 5 3 10
4 Russia RUSSIA 2 5 0 7
5 Germany GERMANY 2 3 3 8
6 Ethiopia ETHIOPIA 2 2 1 5
7 Kenya KENYA 2 1 2 5
8 United States UNITED STATES 1 5 6 12
9 Cuba CUBA 1 1 1 3
9 Great Britain & N.I. GREAT BRITAIN & N.I. 1 1 1 3
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:15 am

I seriously hope Jaleel doesn't decide to pursue the football and leave out the athletics. At the moment he is a gifted athlete in both and i can see him being success at the hurdle.If my memory serves me right he is also a very good 200m runner .
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:18 am

jamal00005 wrote:I unfortunately went to sleep and missed some of the evenings events but such is life....Must give a shout out to Tia Adanna Belle of my homeland in Barbados for grabbing a silver in the girls 400m hurdles with a personal best.


She made up tremendous ground in the latter stages to get the silver. Good run 8-)

Race Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL-hmraU8WI
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby betterthanb4 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:25 am

Jaheel Hyde is a very talented young man. Football, 13.13 in the 110H, 46 400m runner. I wish him the best.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby t_monk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:26 am

jamal00005 wrote:I seriously hope Jaleel doesn't decide to pursue the football and leave out the athletics. At the moment he is a gifted athlete in both and i can see him being success at the hurdle.If my memory serves me right he is also a very good 200m runner .


110mH - 13.13 (-1.1w)
200m - Don't remember his 200m PB but he is ranked one of the best in JA in his age group (which is saying something)
400m - 46.95 PB
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby berkeley » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:37 am

betterthanb4 wrote:The Boys 800m Final was exciting.

Exciting ? If the halfway split of the winner is correct as reported on the IAAF page - 46.63 - I would say it must have been one of the most entertaining races ever :) Surely that must be a mistake ?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby tgs3 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:43 am

berkeley wrote:
betterthanb4 wrote:The Boys 800m Final was exciting.

Exciting ? If the halfway split of the winner is correct as reported on the IAAF page - 46.63 - I would say it must have been one of the most entertaining races ever :) Surely that must be a mistake ?

I remember it being 48 something, so maybe it was 48.63. Still a pretty crazy way to win your race. I imagine he can go 2-3 seconds faster by by not being so Montanoesque.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jamal00005 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:57 am

tgs3 wrote:
berkeley wrote:
betterthanb4 wrote:The Boys 800m Final was exciting.

Exciting ? If the halfway split of the winner is correct as reported on the IAAF page - 46.63 - I would say it must have been one of the most entertaining races ever :) Surely that must be a mistake ?

I remember it being 48 something, so maybe it was 48.63. Still a pretty crazy way to win your race. I imagine he can go 2-3 seconds faster by by not being so Montanoesque.

He still had enough gusto to hold on in the last 100m when the GB athlete and the russian came at the end. But I suspect as he get older his tatics will change
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Rothosen » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:21 am

aaronk wrote:Alexa Efraimson finished only 3rd, but she ran VERY close to her PR, running 4:16.07.
AND.....she finished just ahead of Bobby Clay, who had been ballyhooed on this forum by a few people earlier this year!!
The other American, Anna Maxwell, got a PR too...running 4:23.75.
Both are returning to HS in the fall!!


Heard the Brit announcer discussing Bobby Clay's race. Not exactly a tactical textbook when you already are disadvantaged by size. On that note Alexa looked as if she ran a very good race. Would have been interesting to see the Ethiopians pressed a little. They seem to have only run as hard as they needed to to win the race.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby bushop » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:35 pm

aaronk wrote:I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.

... and you make a moral judgement about her action based on what information?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:56 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.

... and you make a moral judgement about her action based on what information?

As I mentioned a few minutes ago, in the Portland Roughriders thread, aaronk is such a hypocrite. You can guarantee if it had been an incident involving one of "his favoured girls" he would be shouting from the rooftops, his defence of "his girl" quitting.

I feel very sorry for Morgan. Clearly she was devastated by her LJ disaster. From her body language and the look on her face during the javelin it was no surprise she was DNS in the 800m.

At the end of day 1, the only athlete that could have beaten Morgan, was Morgan. And, sadly, so it transpired. And what probably makes it even more difficult to stomach is that she also leaves Donetsk as easily the best high jumper having jumped 2 cm higher than the gold medal winner of the individual HJ.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby mump boy » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:07 pm

bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.

... and you make a moral judgement about her action based on what information?


Common sense !!

What ever the morality of it, it does no good to anyone to drop out because things aren't going your way

I have no idea of her reasons so can't comment but if she wasn't injured it was the wrong decision in my opinion. If she's fallen over in the hurdles then fair enough but to not do the last event, not so much.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby bushop » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:11 pm

mump boy wrote:
bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.
... and you make a moral judgement about her action based on what information?
Common sense !!

... and what sense do you have of her situation? Not sure there is anything common to apply to an individual.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:20 pm

Tuariki wrote:
bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.

... and you make a moral judgement about her action based on what information?

As I mentioned a few minutes ago, in the Portland Roughriders thread, aaronk is such a hypocrite. You can guarantee if it had been an incident involving one of "his favoured girls" he would be shouting from the rooftops, his defence of "his girl" quitting.

I feel very sorry for Morgan. Clearly she was devastated by her LJ disaster. From her body language and the look on her face during the javelin it was no surprise she was DNS in the 800m.

At the end of day 1, the only athlete that could have beaten Morgan, was Morgan. And, sadly, so it transpired. And what probably makes it even more difficult to stomach is that she also leaves Donetsk as easily the best high jumper having jumped 2 cm higher than the gold medal winner of the individual HJ.


Re "his girl".........
The only thing that comes to mind when I see that phrase is that FANTASTIC 60's song by the Temptations...."My Girl"!!
Or that other great song by Mary Wells......"My Guy"!!

Other than that, I WISH I had a girl now I could call "mine"!! :(
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:38 pm

mump boy wrote:
bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.

... and you make a moral judgement about her action based on what information?


Common sense !!

What ever the morality of it, it does no good to anyone to drop out because things aren't going your way

I have no idea of her reasons so can't comment but if she wasn't injured it was the wrong decision in my opinion. If she's fallen over in the hurdles then fair enough but to not do the last event, not so much.

Like you,I have no idea as to the reasons why she pulled out. However, injuries can be both physical and mental. If I was her coach and believed she was likely to run a terrible 800m, for her that would be over 2:40, then I would not be against her wish to not run the 800m, if that was what she wanted. And especially if I felt her mental state could be further damaged by doing so.

IMO, there would be nothing to be gained for her if she was out there running in last place for the 800m; and depending on her mental state, everything to lose. There was every chance she would have been thinking that "the whole world is watching me and laughing at me". And while the whole world would not have been laughing at her, it is likely she would still be thinking that. And therefore, because of the potential emotional damage to someone so young, this is why I would not have pressed her to run, if I was her coach,and she didn't want to.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:27 pm

There might be a physical reason that she had such a poor long jump, so she might have been nursing an injury. To go off without any information and just assuming something that you simply do not know seems a silly way to comment. Not a hint of conditional statement etc.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby mump boy » Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:38 pm

Tuariki wrote:
mump boy wrote:
bushop wrote:
aaronk wrote:I'm sorry she had such a bad 2nd day, but not finishing (unless she was physically injured) was wrong.

... and you make a moral judgement about her action based on what information?


Common sense !!

What ever the morality of it, it does no good to anyone to drop out because things aren't going your way

I have no idea of her reasons so can't comment but if she wasn't injured it was the wrong decision in my opinion. If she's fallen over in the hurdles then fair enough but to not do the last event, not so much.

Like you,I have no idea as to the reasons why she pulled out. However, injuries can be both physical and mental. If I was her coach and believed she was likely to run a terrible 800m, for her that would be over 2:40, then I would not be against her wish to not run the 800m, if that was what she wanted. And especially if I felt her mental state could be further damaged by doing so.

IMO, there would be nothing to be gained for her if she was out there running in last place for the 800m; and depending on her mental state, everything to lose. There was every chance she would have been thinking that "the whole world is watching me and laughing at me". And while the whole world would not have been laughing at her, it is likely she would still be thinking that. And therefore, because of the potential emotional damage to someone so young, this is why I would not have pressed her to run, if I was her coach,and she didn't want to.


Or she could learn to suck it up, apply herself, run out of her skin, set a pb and end on a high
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Master Po » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:08 pm

Rothosen wrote:Alexa Ephraimson gives it her best but only good enough for third. So the streak continues. No American has ever won the 1500 at this competition. Jordan Hasay's second place finish is stil the highest.


Seems like a very good performance and outcome. I guess I never expect USA athletes to win this event in any case (Mary Cain excepted -- I'm reasonably confident she would have handled this field, not that I am arguing she should have been in the WYC), so I am very happy w her performance. I certainly did not expect Ephraimson to win. She came in with the third best SB/PB. Assuming the Ethiopian runners were going to run near to their SBs, the best Ephraimson would do was third. Congratulations to her! :)

Another way to look at this -- rather than disappointment at Ephraimson's continuation of USA's failures to win this event at WYC -- is this: Ethiopia sent its best two Youth runners in this event (#2 & 3 in the world this year). USA -- for perfectly good reasons, imo -- sent its #3, Ephraimson, who is #6 in the world. Also, USA's Anna Maxwell, much further down the lists than any of these, did make the final and ran a PB. So, USA's Youth performers & performances in this event in 2013 -- Cain, Cranny, & these two at WYC -- are the best they have been in a very long time, perhaps best ever. I'm happy with how these young athletes are doing (and have no illusions about any of them being world beaters at the senior level -- I realize the odds any outstanding youth athlete faces).

Also, congratulations to Bobby Clay -- out of the medals, but nearly 2 second PB & 4th behind 3 athletes who are clearly better than her at this point in all of their careers. I think this is also the best outcome she could reasonably have expected today.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:19 pm

Tuariki wrote:IMO, there would be nothing to be gained for her if she was out there running in last place for the 800m; and depending on her mental state, everything to lose. There was every chance she would have been thinking that "the whole world is watching me and laughing at me". And while the whole world would not have been laughing at her, it is likely she would still be thinking that. And therefore, because of the potential emotional damage to someone so young, this is why I would not have pressed her to run, if I was her coach,and she didn't want to.

I couldn't disagree more. In sports, the inability to handle defeat with courage and dignity is a major character defect IMO. Every elite athlete in any sport, will at some time during their careers face bitter, and sometimes catastrophic, defeat. Most of the athletes in this meet have probably rarely tasted defeat in their young careers. The ability to fight on when you're assured of victory reveals nothing about a person's character, and the ability to persevere when you think you have a chance of winning doesn't reveal much more. However, giving a 100% effort when you're assured of defeat is the ultimate character builder in sports. Assuming she was uninjured, if I were her coach, I would have said, "You're having a bad day. You're going to have more bad days if you stay in this sport long enough. What you need to do is give the 800 all you've got and show the world that you're not a quitter."
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:24 pm

mump boy wrote:Or she could learn to suck it up, apply herself, run out of her skin, set a pb and end on a high


And maybe a smaller injury turns in to a large one. May be she does poorly in the 800 and sets herself up for doing poorly in that 800. I suspect that nothing in her athletic life is likely to be very positively affected by the 'recommended' course of action but that there are a lot of downsides.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jazzcyclist » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:56 pm

26mi235 wrote:And maybe a smaller injury turns in to a large one. May be she does poorly in the 800 and sets herself up for doing poorly in that 800. I suspect that nothing in her athletic life is likely to be very positively affected by the 'recommended' course of action but that there are a lot of downsides.

I think character could have been positively affected by running and finishing the 800. By the way 26mi, I would be interested to see you weigh in on the Tour de France thread.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:16 pm

26mi235 wrote:There might be a physical reason that she had such a poor long jump, so she might have been nursing an injury. To go off without any information and just assuming something that you simply do not know seems a silly way to comment. Not a hint of conditional statement etc.

And if she did get an injury in the LJ, then that could explain her 4 step jog approach in the javelin. And of course her withdrawing from the 800m. For example, one can throw the javelin with a dicey hamstring but would risk serious injury by running an 800m.
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