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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:03 am

26mi235 wrote:
batonless relay wrote:Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.


Do you mean that it should be the Pent or that there should not be one at this early stage in a career? Is your thinking that athletes should try a range of events but not be constrained in the set by those that are in the Hept group?


BTW, Morgan Lake's first day point total is 3736!!
Her Hept PR is 5725 from this year.
Don't know what her 2nd day is like, but she seems to have at least an outside shot at 6000!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby batonless relay » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:10 am

26mi235 wrote:
batonless relay wrote:Also, I don't think multi events should be a part of the Youth program, but that's a separate issue.


Do you mean that it should be the Pent or that there should not be one at this early stage in a career? Is your thinking that athletes should try a range of events but not be constrained in the set by those that are in the Hept group?

I don't even think a Pent would satisfy me. If they're limiting how many events an athlete can do then why allow 5 or 7 or 10? They can always specialize later, I just think it's too early (I also don't believe in kids running marathons).
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:34 am

Orji improved again....to 44-11 (13.69) for silver. First was 13.75!!
Olivia Baker also got silver with her 53.38.
Another Baker (can't remember 1st name) from GB won in 52.77.
With Westbrook and Washington taking 1-2 in the 100 earlier, and probably others I haven't mentioned, this is turning out to be a GREAT WY for the USA......or just in general!!
(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! Or a 1.90 HJ in a Heptathlon??)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jjimbojames » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:41 am

aaronk wrote:Orji improved again....to 44-11 (13.69) for silver. First was 13.75!!
Olivia Baker also got silver with her 53.38.
Another Baker (can't remember 1st name) from GB won in 52.77.
With Westbrook and Washington taking 1-2 in the 100 earlier, and probably others I haven't mentioned, this is turning out to be a GREAT WY for the USA......or just in general!!
(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! Or a 1.90 HJ in a Heptathlon??)

Not Baker - Sabrina Bakare! Came here with a PB of 53.98
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby zidan » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:43 am

Jamaica running something of a mini riot so far at these games( missed out big time in the boys 100 of course) with two more big gold medal performance. WYL 45.86 for Manley in boys 400. Tiffany James bronze in the girls 400 and Jaheel Hyde closing the show with a big Championship record (13.13) in boys 110hurdles final.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby lionelp1 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:46 am

aaronk wrote:Orji improved again....to 44-11 (13.69) for silver. First was 13.75!!
Olivia Baker also got silver with her 53.38.
Another Baker (can't remember 1st name) from GB won in 52.77.
With Westbrook and Washington taking 1-2 in the 100 earlier, and probably others I haven't mentioned, this is turning out to be a GREAT WY for the USA......or just in general!!
(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! Or a 1.90 HJ in a Heptathlon??)

and how often do you see a 17 year old, called Sabrine Bakare, with a pre championships best of 53.89 win the world Youth title in a 52.77 an improvement of 1.12 secs; now if she had been an American you as a self styled stats expert would have known all about her and been shouting from the rooftops about a what a great performance.!
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What a fine performance from our 400 metre 17 year old.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:02 am

aaronk wrote:(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! )

What 2:02.44 800 is this?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Master Po » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:09 am

^ It is an outstanding performance. I congratulate her for it, and thank you for highlighting it. There is enough excellence in this meet that it takes many of us to shout from the rooftops about different athletes/performances. I did not take aaronk's highlights as intending to point out the only excellence worth noting in this meet. I know that I can't keep up with every athlete, and each time I post about anyone, I am relieved when no one takes me to task for not posting about someone else. Lots of PBs, WL, and other championship record, etc. performances going on. I am enjoying this meet, and appreciate the notes and highlights each of us brings to this forum. No other way to keep up with everyone. :)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 10:15 am

lionelp1 wrote:
aaronk wrote:Orji improved again....to 44-11 (13.69) for silver. First was 13.75!!
Olivia Baker also got silver with her 53.38.
Another Baker (can't remember 1st name) from GB won in 52.77.
With Westbrook and Washington taking 1-2 in the 100 earlier, and probably others I haven't mentioned, this is turning out to be a GREAT WY for the USA......or just in general!!
(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! Or a 1.90 HJ in a Heptathlon??)

and how often do you see a 17 year old, called Sabrine Bakare, with a pre championships best of 53.89 win the world Youth title in a 52.77 an improvement of 1.12 secs; now if she had been an American you as a self styled stats expert would have known all about her and been shouting from the rooftops about a what a great performance.!
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What a fine performance from our 400 metre 17 year old.


Mea culpa! :oops:
If I specialized in British HS marks.....or British all time lists, I'd have known about Ms Bakare!!
But being an American, and having limited time on this great little orb of ours, I've chosen to specialize in USA marks!!
BTW, the tweet I saw about Bakare had her name spelled as Baker......so that wasn't my fault!!

Tuariki wrote:
aaronk wrote:(For example, how often do you see a 2:02.44 800 in a SEMI!! )

What 2:02.44 800 is this?


It was the semi time for Hinriksdottir at WY...the race she was DQ'd from, then re-instated!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:10 am

A couple of other significant US marks:

Marlon Humphrey did 110H in 13.24, getting silver.
That time places him 3rd on A-T HS list!!

Bailey Roth----he's the one who ran 5:49 at NBN, never having seen a SC hurdle before, or run over one!!.....ran 5:45.20 in semi of 2K SC at WY.
Wish he'd take a shot at the HSR for 3K SC.....8:50.1 by Jeff Hess, from 1979!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:19 am

What WY was that?
At Donetsk she did 2:04.79 and 2:04.96 in the heats and semis respectively.
I have seen nothing about a 2:02.44 or a DQ
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby icerunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:28 am

Tuariki wrote:What WY was that?
At Donetsk she did 2:04.79 and 2:04.96 in the heats and semis respectively.
I have seen nothing about a 2:02.44 or a DQ


Go to iaaf.org and look at the photofinish and you will see her time is 2:02 something because the 2:04.79 is way behind her.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:38 am

lionelp1 wrote:and how often do you see a 17 year old, called Sabrine Bakare, with a pre championships best of 53.89 win the world Youth title in a 52.77 an improvement of 1.12 secs; now if she had been an American you as a self styled stats expert would have known all about her and been shouting from the rooftops about a what a great performance.!
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What a fine performance from our 400 metre 17 year old.
Yeah, and it makes me sad. Her 52.77s would have been good enough for third place at the german SENIOR championships and the time of the jamaican m400 winner would have won him the german title. 17 year old kids from around the world are faster than our best 400m runners, it's so pathetic. On the bright side, Hinriksdottir, Cain, Judd, Wilson etc. are also much faster than Germany's best 800m women, so at least we are consistently bad. 8-)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby usafa » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:01 pm

zidan wrote:Jamaica running something of a mini riot so far at these games( missed out big time in the boys 100 of course) with two more big gold medal performance. WYL 45.86 for Manley in boys 400. Tiffany James bronze in the girls 400 and Jaheel Hyde closing the show with a big Championship record (13.13) in boys 110hurdles final.


I think Hyde's dad ( a legend in Jamaican football as its is) can now say, son, you made the right choice. A bit of a background, young Mr. Hyde is a hell of a footballer who recently refused a call up to our U17 squad to concentrate on his track career (said squad failed to qualify for the U17 WC). Dad and those within the Jamaica football fraternity were none too pleased with this decision and hoped he would come to his senses. Kid is a bit of a rebel in his family - and has a strong mind of his own - it was almost a birth right to attend a certain school in Kingston, kid said, nah, I going my own way and went to a different school. Quite good in the class room also...very smart kid.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:03 pm

She was initially dq'd for breaking early and then reinstated. Did not run the 2:02.44 claimed by aaronk.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby smc » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:23 pm

WYL boy's 400.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:34 pm

Tuariki wrote:She was initially dq'd for breaking early and then reinstated. Did not run the 2:02.44 claimed by aaronk.
Yes she did, look at the photo, the 2:04.96 they have for Hinriksdottir is the time for the dqed ethiopian in second place. http://dt9guucc6nuua.cloudfront.net/com ... 0_sf_1.jpg
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:44 pm

Official result is 2:04.96 so it will be interesting to see if the result is updated to the 2:02.44. If the photo is correct then it would truly be nonsensical if the official result remained unchanged
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:51 pm

Definitely saw time as 2:02.44......as first shown.
Saw race on livestream!!
The finish photo (above post) shows it as 2:02 also.
Weird!!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Marlow » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:52 pm

aaronk wrote:Orji improved again....to 44-11 (13.69)

Oooooh, am I getting my wish for Ami wTJ relevance?! I'm sending all my psychic energy to her to choose Bama next year and get Dick Booth for a coach (Taylor and Claye).
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby icerunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:58 pm

Well it really doesn't matter if the officials messed up her time because she will go so much faster in the finals. Her coach told her to really hold back in the heats and semi- finals in order to be relatively fresh for the final blast. Her coach is really concerned about the EJC next week where she is going to be seriously challenged by the favorite Jessica Judd. Hinriksdottir proved today that she is not just a front runner. She ran a tactical race today with a nice kick the last 220 meters. Her time really was 2:02.44 but who cares she won anyways!
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Cranberry1 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:19 pm

Is it possible that Aníta had to run again after coach Joakimsson's appeal ?
This would explain that 2:04.96, I really don't know...
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:26 pm

Cranberry1 wrote:Is it possible that Aníta had to run again after coach Joakimsson's appeal ?
This would explain that 2:04.96, I really don't know...


Absolutely not!!
Run an EXTRA "semi" race.....for one person??
That would be something to behold!! :shock:

Besides seeing the time as she crossed the line, I know it was 2:02 because I was watching Raevyn Rogers also.
Wanted to see if she'd PR.
So as Hinriksdottir crossed the line in 2:02, I counted the seconds back to Rogers.......3.......4.......5......!!
(Rogers ran 2:05.33, I believe, in the same semi......not a PR!)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Cranberry1 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:35 pm

aaronk wrote:Absolutely not!!
Run an EXTRA "semi" race.....for one person??
That would be something to behold!! :shock:


Thank you for answering.
So why that 2:04.96 ^^
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby icerunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:50 pm

Just look at the photofinish here above and you see that 2:04.96 is the time of the Ethopian girl that was also DQ'ed. Anita's coach imediately filed a protest(it has to arrive within 30 minutes after the race) and asked for video proof of Anita stepping out of her lane and after watching the rerun of the race they could not point out where she stepped on(or outside) her line so the head judge reinstated here. I heard no protest arrived from the Ethiopians within 30 minutest from the race so it is a pity they did not challenge the judgement. The poor girl with the second fastest time in the semis has to live with it.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby LopenUupunut » Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:04 pm

aaronk wrote:
Cranberry1 wrote:Is it possible that Aníta had to run again after coach Joakimsson's appeal ?
This would explain that 2:04.96, I really don't know...
Absolutely not!!
Run an EXTRA "semi" race.....for one person??
That would be something to behold!! :shock:
Alphas Kishoyian did it at the World Juniors last year :)
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:01 pm

icerunner wrote:Just look at the photofinish here above and you see that 2:04.96 is the time of the Ethopian girl that was also DQ'ed. Anita's coach imediately filed a protest(it has to arrive within 30 minutes after the race) and asked for video proof of Anita stepping out of her lane and after watching the rerun of the race they could not point out where she stepped on(or outside) her line so the head judge reinstated here. I heard no protest arrived from the Ethiopians within 30 minutest from the race so it is a pity they did not challenge the judgement. The poor girl with the second fastest time in the semis has to live with it.

Ukrainian officials are clearly truly blind. First, they see something that didn't happen - Hinriksdottir stepping on or over the line. Second, they can't see something that actually happened - the photo finish evidence showing 2:02.44 for Hinriksdottir.
It does seem incomprehensible that the IAAF result sheet remains unchanged for time. Anyway, let's hope she gets under 2:00.00 in the final.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby norunner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Tuariki wrote:Ukrainian officials are clearly truly blind. First, they see something that didn't happen - Hinriksdottir stepping on or over the line. Second, they can't see something that actually happened - the photo finish evidence showing 2:02.44 for Hinriksdottir.
It does seem incomprehensible that the IAAF result sheet remains unchanged for time. Anyway, let's hope she gets under 2:00.00 in the final.
After last year's fiasco in London where they first dqed Schwarzkopf in the hep even though another athlete stepped over the line they should have adjusted the rules. If someone supposedly did something wrong during a race, first look at the videos and only disqualify if you have actual video proof. There is no reason to rush a disqualification, so take your time.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:12 pm

I haven't seen the video evidence. But has anyone actually seen a video that shows Kokeb Tesfaye stepping on or over the line - or has she had a double dose of bureaucratic incompetence (1) the Ukranian judges for getting it wrong, and then (2) the Ethiopian management for not appealing.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Cranberry1 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:23 pm

LopenUupunut wrote:Alphas Kishoyian did it at the World Juniors last year :)


Thank you ! That's the example I wanted to take. He had a problem with his start during the semifinals - same round in the case of Hinriksdóttir, his coach filed a protest and he ran again. Kishoyian was qualified and eventually finished 6th of the final...
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Tuariki » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:37 pm

aaronk wrote:BTW, Morgan Lake's first day point total is 3736!!
Her Hept PR is 5725 from this year.
Don't know what her 2nd day is like, but she seems to have at least an outside shot at 6000!!

If she can match her PRs in the remaining events it would appear that she is headed for a massive PR increase to 6100+
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Rothosen » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:56 pm

Thanks for the "photo" finish aaron. Notice how perfect her split was? 1:01.30 on thursday, then 1:01.32 on friday. That's consistency in the semis
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby mump boy » Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:13 pm

aaronk wrote:
Mea culpa! :oops:
If I specialized in British HS marks.....or British all time lists, I'd have known about Ms Bakare!!


Really ??

I've never heard of her :?
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby Per Andersen » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:59 pm

LopenUupunut wrote:Not-quite-16-year-old Artur Hämäläinen, son of Eduard, placed 5th in the octathlon. I hope he doesn't stop developing like his sister did :?

Not bad! But how about the Norwegian winner of the event, Karsten Warholm? Still 17, won 4 events. This was his second octathlon ever! He has never done any other multievent comp. He has barely trained throwing events. I like the 10.85- 2.02 and 7.30 (pb is 7.52, about 24-8).
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby nevetsllim » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:38 pm

The long jump was a disaster for Morgan Lake. :( An aborted 4.63m followed by two fouls. The LJ is normally one of her strengths but she's really been struggling with it this year and the same thing happened at the English Schools last week when she only jumped 4.35m.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:38 pm

Morgan Lake has disastrous LJ!!
She had an "aborted" 4.63....then 2 fouls!!
Sad.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby jamal00005 » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:44 pm

aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake has disastrous LJ!!
She had an "aborted" 4.63....then 2 fouls!!
Sad.

How far down will this take her in terms of positions.......she looks devastated.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:55 pm

jamal00005 wrote:
aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake has disastrous LJ!!
She had an "aborted" 4.63....then 2 fouls!!
Sad.

How far down will this take her in terms of positions.......she looks devastated.


Don't know....and don't know if she'll choose to continue!
She WAS about 200 pts ahead after yesterday.
So she could still be ahead.....unless her pt total for that 4.63 isn't enough to cover any 200 pt gain by the girl in 2nd.

BTW, how are you watching?
The always-reliable SportLemon isn't working for me!
Do you have another livestream link??
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby nevetsllim » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:00 am

jamal00005 wrote:
aaronk wrote:Morgan Lake has disastrous LJ!!
She had an "aborted" 4.63....then 2 fouls!!
Sad.

How far down will this take her in terms of positions.......she looks devastated.


She's hanging on to a bronze medal by a narrow 17-points.
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Re: World Youth Championship

Postby aaronk » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:04 am

Totals after 5 events:

Leffler.........4321
Stenlof........4241
Lake..........4197
Johnson......4180
Harmon-Thomas.........4085
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