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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:22 am

In the women front Sharon Day had a good start to her outdoor campaign. In the same competition that Eaton broke his JT PB she set a new outdoor PB in the SP (14.77)and jumped only a cm less than her LJ PB (6.14). An improvement in the LJ is a must for Day as she is ~40 cm behind most of her competitors (130 points!).
The difference right now between men and women in the multi events in the US is amazing. The men are ranked 1 and 2 in the world with 5 new talents that score 6,000+ in the heptathlon this winter. The women will be lucky to make it to the top 10 with no real threat for a medal.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby unclezadok » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:15 am

az2004 wrote:suspect eaton has moscow on his mind

no world indoors shapes his schedule a bit

as i posted in a thread, zelinka is with rovelto

interesting to see how she fairs


Looks like Eaton will be starting at Gotzis this year.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby unclezadok » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:32 pm

olorin wrote:In the women front Sharon Day had a good start to her outdoor campaign. In the same competition that Eaton broke his JT PB she set a new outdoor PB in the SP (14.77)and jumped only a cm less than her LJ PB (6.14). An improvement in the LJ is a must for Day as she is ~40 cm behind most of her competitors (130 points!).
The difference right now between men and women in the multi events in the US is amazing. The men are ranked 1 and 2 in the world with 5 new talents that score 6,000+ in the heptathlon this winter. The women will be lucky to make it to the top 10 with no real threat for a medal.


I'm amazed about how poorly American heptathletes, of all ages, long jump (with extremely rare exceptions). Some even jump 19-20 in HS and then regress to 17-18 in college and later. If as a pro you can't do 21 feet in the heptathlon LJ it's pointless to stay in the event. 18 feet is running through the pit.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:18 am

unclezadok wrote:I'm amazed about how poorly American heptathletes, of all ages, long jump (with extremely rare exceptions). Some even jump 19-20 in HS and then regress to 17-18 in college and later. If as a pro you can't do 21 feet in the heptathlon LJ it's pointless to stay in the event. 18 feet is running through the pit.


Good point

Until your post I was under the impression that the throws are the main problem of the Americans women in the heptathlon, but the LJ is probably as much as problem if not bigger.

The average top-10 in the world jump ~6.50 for a score of roughly 1,000 in 2012. The American women had one athlete above this average (Fountain), one around this average (Wade 6.41), four ~6.15 (losing close to 100 points!) and another four jumping less than six meters and losing 250-300 points in a single event.

Compare to this even the JT looks like a strong event. The top-10 in the world threw to an average distance of ~50 meters for a score of ~860 points. In the top-10 American one women threw above this distance (McMillan 50.24). three women threw in the mid-40 for a loss of ~100 points. Five threw around 40 for a loss of 200 points and only Carrier - Eades (33.11) lost more than 200 points.

The weakness of the American women in the LJ is surprising given the strength of the US in this event and the fact that the American decathletes are typically very good in this event most jumping above 7.5
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:51 am

Based on her holding ALL of the lower class HS records in the Hept (9th--4914, 10th--5170, 11th--5578), and the Indoor HSR in the Pent (4068), I'd look to Kendell Williams as a future MAJOR star on the WORLD stage!!

And she won't be 18 until June 14th this year!!

She's strong in the hurdles (8.35, 13.39), LJ (20-8 and 1/2), HJ (6 and 3/4).
Her 800 best is 2:22.38, but she has a 24.4 200, so I'm guessing she'll be around 2:12 to 2:15 eventually.
Her weaknesses are in the throws.
But that's true for most HS'ers....and maybe most Hept/Pent ladies!!

I'm thinking she'll approach....or surpass.....6000 THIS year!!
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Re: USA Multis

Postby nianchengyu » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:08 am

aaronk wrote:Based on her holding ALL of the lower class HS records in the Hept (9th--4914, 10th--5170, 11th--5578), and the Indoor HSR in the Pent (4068), I'd look to Kendell Williams as a future MAJOR star on the WORLD stage!!

And she won't be 18 until June 14th this year!!

She's strong in the hurdles (8.35, 13.39), LJ (20-8 and 1/2), HJ (6 and 3/4).
Her 800 best is 2:22.38, but she has a 24.4 200, so I'm guessing she'll be around 2:12 to 2:15 eventually.
Her weaknesses are in the throws.
But that's true for most HS'ers....and maybe most Hept/Pent ladies!!

I'm thinking she'll approach....or surpass.....6000 THIS year!!

Combined event always intereating for me,17-year-old Kendell Williams almost has same level with dobrynska in 100mH,HJ and 200m,but 10.70m/30.48m losing 800p to 17.29m/49.25m although she is still young, :oops:
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Re: USA Multis

Postby unclezadok » Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:11 am

I've noticed that Kendell Williams is making slow if steady progress in the throws, and they are now not bad for a HS runner-jumper heptathlete. She probably doesn't train for them too much now. I think that ultimately her throws will not prevent her from becoming world class. But again, even now she should not be long jumping 19 feet in a heptathlon. I don't think she should ever be under 20.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:37 pm

unclezadok wrote:I've noticed that Kendell Williams is making slow if steady progress in the throws, and they are now not bad for a HS runner-jumper heptathlete. She probably doesn't train for them too much now. I think that ultimately her throws will not prevent her from becoming world class. But again, even now she should not be long jumping 19 feet in a heptathlon. I don't think she should ever be under 20.


I think that you are too harsh on the kid. She jumped last season seven times above 6.00m including a huge PB of 6.31. The consistency you are looking for (all jumps above 20 feet) should come with age. The LJ is one of the trickiest events with only three jumps to get it right (Eaton in Daego).

Her problem is the throws. Two athletes her age that finished ahead of her in Barcelona (Yorgelis Rodríguez from Cuba and Sofia Linde from Sweden) have slightly lower total in five of the seven events. However, both are ~13.5 and ~41.5 thrower. This is ~450 points better than Williams. There is little doubt that Williams will improve on her 10.7 and 30.5 in years to come. But in order to become a medal threat she needs to improve (at least) to ~14.5 and ~48 while being able to improve the rest of her events significantly.

At this stage I would say that short-term improvement to 6,000 is very likely, the long-term improvement to ~6750 is still highly questionable.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:39 pm

While we all follow the Eaton's path to become a super human some other American decathletes set impressive results:

Taiwo - Set an outdoor PB in the SP 13.30 (previous 13.08), still well below his indoor best. He also jumped 4.85 only one cm from his PB (after 4.25 in the indoor season).

Cato - 14.03 PB in the 110h (14.04)

Scantling - 43.66 in DT an improvement of 4.5 meters (!!), additionally 14.73 PB in the 110h (14.93). Now do you believe 8000 in the decathlon Marlow?

Ziemek - 44.45 in the DT an improvement of more than 7 meters (!!) and 15.44 (15.48) in 110h

The NCAA this year....
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:04 pm

Japheth Cato Wisconsin 39.60m/129-11 was a 2m+(7'+) PR also. Note that conditions in Madison have not be conducive to throwing anything outdoors, although they do use an indoor field for throwing the discus sometimes. I also doubt that they have been running hurdles outdoors yet (except for on the road), as there is still some snow on the ground (having just arrived back home from a 2400mile west coast road trip).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:42 am

26mi235 wrote:Japheth Cato Wisconsin 39.60m/129-11 was a 2m+(7'+) PR also. Note that conditions in Madison have not be conducive to throwing anything outdoors, although they do use an indoor field for throwing the discus sometimes. I also doubt that they have been running hurdles outdoors yet (except for on the road), as there is still some snow on the ground (having just arrived back home from a 2400mile west coast road trip).


According to all-athletics Cato mark was achieved during Alabama relay on the 23/03
Ziemek was competing in Atlanta in the last weekend.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:18 am

Cato's 39.60 mark was at the Yellow Jacket Invite 3/30; his top 110h was 14.03/0.9 at Alabama (as indicated. His 14.11/0.0 indicates (along with his 14.04) that he is consistent at that level but his indoor marks have promise for sub-14, I think.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:21 am

Don't know if this is the best place for this, but here's the top 3 women in the Jim Click Hept after the first day:

Bettie Wade...........3688 (13.81, 1.82, 13.49, 24.64)
Keia Pinnick...........3433 (13.71, 1.70, 10.59, 23.90)
Ryann Krais............3404 (14.12, 1.70, 12.81, 25.15)

Don't know for sure, but it looks like Wade is on course to score 6000 points!

After 5 events:

Wade..........4531 (19-7 and 1/2)
Pinnick........4270 (19-6 and 3/4)
Krais...........4157 (18-7 and 3/4).

Wade won it with 5867 points.
Pinnick edged Krais for 2nd, 5791 to 5781.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:57 am

Top 3 men at Jim Click Dec are:

1. Tomas Kirielius.........3939 (11.27, 6.68, 14.27, 2.02, 49.62)
2. Reinis Kregers..........3833 (11.33, 6.80, 13.71, 2.02, 51.57)
3. Jake Arnold.............3779 (11.44, 6.94, 14.33, 1.96, 50.02)

First 2 are with KS State, and Arnold, of course, is a pro.

After 6 events:

Kirielius............4719 (15.59)
Arnold..............4716 (14.29)
Kregers.............4623 (15.50).

After 7 events:

Kirielius............5521 (153-2)
Arnold..............5486 (148-1)
Kregers............5328 (137-9)
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Re: USA Multis

Postby unclezadok » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:02 pm

aaronk wrote:Don't know if this is the best place for this, but here's the top 3 women in the Jim Click Hept after the first day:

Bettie Wade...........3688 (13.81, 1.82, 13.49, 24.64)
Keia Pinnick...........3433 (13.71, 1.70, 10.59, 23.90)
Ryann Krais............3404 (14.12, 1.70, 12.81, 25.15)

Don't know for sure, but it looks like Wade is on course to score 6000 points!

After 5 events:

Wade..........4531 (19-7 and 1/2)
Pinnick........4270 (19-6 and 3/4)
Krais...........4157 (18-7 and 3/4).

That long jumping is just sad.
Wade won it with 5867 points.
Pinnick edged Krais for 2nd, 5791 to 5781.
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Re: USA Multis--Jeremy Taiwo

Postby olorin » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:57 am

olorin wrote:
Garrett Scantling (19) from Georgia is showing that he has a potential to be a world class decathlete.
In the SEC indoor he set three PBs in the first day including:
60 - 6.95 (previous PB 7.10)
LJ - 7.14 (previous PB 7.01)
SP - 14.26 (previous PB 13.39). :shock:
He is faster than Cato and Beach over the 60 and much (much) better thrower. He is also three years younger. Hope they have good coaches in Georgia that will ensure that he fulfil his potential.

Scantling is competing in Athens Bulldog Decathlon.
So far his results are (please sit sown Marlow).
100 - 10.85 (+1.8) an improvement of 0.49 points (108 points) on his previous PB
LJ - 7.06 (-1.4) outdoor PB and very close to his indoor PB
SP - 14.46 PB
HJ - 2.08 (equal his outdoor PB)
400 - 49.97 PB a second and half improvement (70 points)
Total: 4,173
Now here is the scary part:
If he will continue and score the same as his PBs in the second day (14.73-43.66-5.10-58.23-4:55.08) he will get 8,034 points. If he could improve his long jump (e.g. ~7.50) he would threat the "A" this year!!
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:22 am

and they keep coming:
In the same competition as Scantling, Devon Williams (DOB 17.01.94) is making his mark on the already overcrowded decathlon scene.
100: 10.8 (previous PB 11.29)
LJ: 7.34 (-2.3!) (6.95)
SP: 12.21 (11.98 indoor)
HJ: 1.87 jumped 1.89 indoor
400: 49.65 (50.36)
Total: 3,939
He is a relatively weak thrower so don’t expect too much in the second day, although ~7,400 is not out of the question (and he is one year younger than Scantling). With another improvement next year he can also threat 8,000

Not an American but Maicel Uibo (EST) is only 20 points behind Scantling and his own set of PBs including 7.82 in the LJ!!). Yet another (good) potential for the future.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:25 am

olorin wrote:
olorin wrote:
Garrett Scantling (19) from Georgia is showing that he has a potential to be a world class decathlete.
In the SEC indoor he set three PBs in the first day including:
60 - 6.95 (previous PB 7.10)
LJ - 7.14 (previous PB 7.01)
SP - 14.26 (previous PB 13.39). :shock:
He is faster than Cato and Beach over the 60 and much (much) better thrower. He is also three years younger. Hope they have good coaches in Georgia that will ensure that he fulfil his potential.

Scantling is competing in Athens Bulldog Decathlon.
So far his results are (please sit sown Marlow).
100 - 10.85 (+1.8) an improvement of 0.49 points (108 points) on his previous PB
LJ - 7.06 (-1.4) outdoor PB and very close to his indoor PB
SP - 14.46 PB
HJ - 2.08 (equal his outdoor PB)
400 - 49.97 PB a second and half improvement (70 points)
Total: 4,173
Now here is the scary part:
If he will continue and score the same as his PBs in the second day (14.73-43.66-5.10-58.23-4:55.08) he will get 8,034 points. If he could improve his long jump (e.g. ~7.50) he would threat the "A" this year!!


Wow!

The 1.8 wind in the 100m is worth about 0.11, so that's a huge basic PR regardless of the wind reading in his previous PR.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:47 am

Just found the official results:

Men Decathlon
Points 100 LJ SP HJ 400 Day1 110H DT PV JT 1500
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1 Scantling, Garrett 10.85 7.06m 14.46m 2.08m 49.97
Georgia w: 1.8 w: -1.4 47-05.25 6-09.75
4173 (894) (828) (757) (878) (816) 4173 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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2 Uibo, Maicel 10.99 7.82m 12.73m 2.05m 50.94
Georgia w: 1.8 w: -1.2 41-09.25 6-08.75
4151 (863) (1015) (651) (850) (772) 4151 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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3 Williams, Devon 10.80 7.34m 12.21m 1.87m 49.65
Georgia w: 1.8 w: -2.3 40-00.75 6-01.5
3939 (906) (896) (619) (687) (831) 3939 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)
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4 Barrineau, Tommy 11.16 6.93m 13.50m 1.96m 50.33
Finland w: 0.6 w: -1.8 44-03.5 6-05
3886 (825) (797) (698) (767) (799) 3886 (0) (0) (0) (0) (0)

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Re: USA Multis--Jeremy Taiwo

Postby Marlow » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:52 am

olorin wrote:please sit sown Marlow

I had to, I was hyperventilating so much!!

Even I, President-for-Life of the GS Fan Club, severely underestimated his growth potential (esp. this fast).
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Re: USA Multis--Jeremy Taiwo

Postby olorin » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:23 am

Marlow wrote:
olorin wrote:please sit sown Marlow

I had to, I was hyperventilating so much!!

Even I, President-for-Life of the GS Fan Club, severely underestimated his growth potential (esp. this fast).

Enjoy "your" guy
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Re: USA Multis--Jeremy Taiwo

Postby Marlow » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:30 am

olorin wrote:Enjoy "your" guy
http://www.georgiadogs.com/allaccess/

Thanks! I didn't know there was videos of him. I'll take some (less and less as months go by) credit for HJ, LJ, PV . . . but all his throwing progress is an abiding mystery to me! As you see, he's kinda skinny (for a 200 lber!), so how he gets the shot out there so far . . . :shock:
I think (know!) he can get a lot stronger withOUT bulking up, so I see blue skies ahead!!

edit - D'oh, I jinxed him!! He just threw two fouls and then a weak effort in the DT. Lost 250 points right there?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:19 am

A few guys eyeing 8000 in the near future?, from a meet in Arkansas this past weekend...
Terry Prentice scored 7813 and Wesley Bray was at 6930 after 9 events (did not run 1500).
http://www.tfrrs.org/results/30197_1859735.html
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:12 pm

Maicel Uibo (Georgia) scored 8223 points at Spec Towns!!
This places him 8th All Time on the Collegiate list!!

Garrett Scantling scored 7824 points in second!

Their final five event marks (and point totals) were:

Uibo............14.93 (858)....161-3 (852)......16-2 & 3/4 (895)... 194-3 (726)... 4:30.60 (741).
Scantling.......14.94 (857)....117-8 (581).....15-11 (865)........ 214-1 (817)....5:05.08 (531)
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Marlow » Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:20 pm

aaronk wrote:Garrett Scantling scored 7824 points in second!
Scantling.......14.94 (857)....117-8 (581).....15-11 (865)........ 214-1 (817)....5:05.08 (531)

Before the DT debacle he was headed for ca. 8100. He said that he and Uibo were throwing the DT the same distances; the PV was well below his PR, but we'll leave that at 15-11. The JT was a PR and the (demotivated) 1500 was over 100 less than he was ready for.

Oh well, more motivation for the SEC Dec.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Fri Apr 12, 2013 5:12 pm

While he's not an American, Maicel Uibo's 8223 score today was incredible.
Why?

He's just 20 years old, born in December 1992 (in Estonia).
He's a freshman at Georgia, and according to my records, his mark is a new frosh class record!
Previous mark was 8084 by Curtis Beach in 2011.
Uibo's previous best Dec was just 7548 from 2012.
Thus, he improved by 675 points from his previous best!
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri Apr 12, 2013 6:56 pm

aaronk wrote:While he's not an American, Maicel Uibo's 8223 score today was incredible.
Why?

He's just 20 years old, born in December 1992 (in Estonia).
He's a freshman at Georgia, and according to my records, his mark is a new frosh class record!
Previous mark was 8084 by Curtis Beach in 2011.
Uibo's previous best Dec was just 7548 from 2012.
Thus, he improved by 675 points from his previous best!


The event gets more and more interesting. It's great to have another Estonian in the mix.

Do remember, however, that even with decathletes sometimes there is little progression. Suarez, for example, won Olympic bronze at 20 years of age, scoring 8527. Eleven months later, at 21, he scored 8654 and then a few weeks after that took WC silver. He's had a distinguished career since then, winning WC and OG bronze (so he's medaled in four consecutive OGs/WCs) - but he's now 25 and that 8654 is still his PR. After age 21, he's only set 2 event PRs (LJ last year and DT in 2011).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:39 pm

DecFan wrote:
The event gets more and more interesting. It's great to have another Estonian in the mix.

Do remember, however, that even with decathletes sometimes there is little progression. Suarez, for example, won Olympic bronze at 20 years of age, scoring 8527. Eleven months later, at 21, he scored 8654 and then a few weeks after that took WC silver. He's had a distinguished career since then, winning WC and OG bronze (so he's medaled in four consecutive OGs/WCs) - but he's now 25 and that 8654 is still his PR. After age 21, he's only set 2 event PRs (LJ last year and DT in 2011).

Completely agree, but this is what is so good in the decathlon right now. It is not 2-4 athletes trying to make it to the big league (8600+) and then one get injured one get stuck and only two makes it. Today, there are probably 15 young (born after Eaton) decathletes that have realistic chance to break this mark in 2-3 years. Some of them will get injured, some will get stuck but many are likely to succeed. The event is going for a new ground and not only because of Eaton. The decathlon in the NCAA will probably the first place that this new depth will emerge.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:14 am

olorin wrote:
DecFan wrote:
The event gets more and more interesting. It's great to have another Estonian in the mix.

Do remember, however, that even with decathletes sometimes there is little progression. Suarez, for example, won Olympic bronze at 20 years of age, scoring 8527. Eleven months later, at 21, he scored 8654 and then a few weeks after that took WC silver. He's had a distinguished career since then, winning WC and OG bronze (so he's medaled in four consecutive OGs/WCs) - but he's now 25 and that 8654 is still his PR. After age 21, he's only set 2 event PRs (LJ last year and DT in 2011).

Completely agree, but this is what is so good in the decathlon right now. It is not 2-4 athletes trying to make it to the big league (8600+) and then one get injured one get stuck and only two makes it. Today, there are probably 15 young (born after Eaton) decathletes that have realistic chance to break this mark in 2-3 years. Some of them will get injured, some will get stuck but many are likely to succeed. The event is going for a new ground and not only because of Eaton. The decathlon in the NCAA will probably the first place that this new depth will emerge.


I agree.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gh » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:35 pm

Uibo moves to No. 8 on the all-time college list.


1. 8465 Trey Hardee (Texas) 4/06/06
2. 8463 Tom Pappas (Tennessee) 3/18/99
3. 8457 Ashton Eaton (Oregon) 6/11/10
4. 8322 Mike Ramos (Washington) 5/20/86
5. 8304w Tito Steiner' (BYU) 6/03/81
6 . 8276 Brian Brophy (Tennessee) 6/06/92
7. 8227 Aric Long (Tennessee) 6/06/92
8. 8223 Maicel Uibo' (Georgia) 4/12/13
9. 8215 Jake Arnold (Arizona) 6/07/07
10. 8205 Rob Muzzio (George Mason) 5/29/84
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:38 pm

Overall, you gotta give olorin credit for Scantling's outdoor projection in his "From Heptathlon to Decathlon scores and summer prediction" thread...

Next up on olorin's "projection" list... we'll have a look at J.Cato and J. Taiwo outdoors (along with Arnold, Szmanda, Ziemek, a couple Swedes, etc.), competing in the decathlon at Mt. SAC on April 17-18. Weather should be good. Here's the entries:
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/data/trackandfield/documents/trackandfield_20130417_entrylist.pdf

Interesting entry in the women's heptathlon... Shana Woods (previous HS record holder at 5533 from 2006)... looks like she may be serious again as it appears she is training at the Chula Vista Olympic Training Center.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:18 am

gktrack wrote:Next up on olorin's "projection" list... we'll have a look at J.Cato and J. Taiwo outdoors (along with Arnold, Szmanda, Ziemek, a couple Swedes, etc.), competing in the decathlon at Mt. SAC on April 17-18. Weather should be good. Here's the entries:
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/data/trackandfield/documents/trackandfield_20130417_entrylist.pdf

After the winter season, I had Taiwo as my favourite for both the NCAA title and taking one of the two empty spots in the American team. He had relatively quite start to his outdoor campaign with weak throws and HJ. After his winter success he said in an interview that he is going to concentrate on his DT. With a PB of 41.8 and a SB of 37.56 he can do with a large improvement. Another interesting event is the HJ. Taiwo indoor PB is 2.25 compared with only 2.11 outdoor (difference of 135 points!). I am not sure that we will see the first “A” by an American but I hope that he will score close to it.

Cato already had a huge improvement on the DT (still with a PB of only 39.6) this season. Right now Cato’s throws are almost as “good” as Beach (the difference between the sum of PBs of the three throws is 34 points). Beach is a better runner, Cato is a better jumper and the difference between the two is roughly 100 points in favour of Beach. Which suggests that Cato should score close to 8000 points.

Hopefully, Jake Arnold can improve so he can compete with the new generation. However, according to the beginning of the outdoor season I'm not too optimistic.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Jackaloupe » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:31 am

Saw Taiwo throw Discus at the Pepsi Invitational (Oregon, Texas A&M, UWash & WSU), and he looked like a rank beginner. It was starting to rain, but his problem was more Arm/Body, with a tense arm never coming up (from Centrigual Force if you allow it to act) into Throwing Position. I called to him thru the fence, "Relax your arm and let it come up". He seemed receptive, but the rain got worse, affecting Sam Crouser, who never got unwound in D, and wasn't able to counter the other Sam in Jav., losing by ~20 ft, w/ 240-ish.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:15 am

Mt.SAC Multis... 8000 potential guys, Cato and Barrefors, not on latest start lists.
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/data/trackandfield/documents/trackandfield_20130417_meetprogram.pdf
Live results...
http://www.apu.edu/athletics/live/trackandfield/
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:33 am

Here is the list, this is called the MtSAC decathlon; there is a CA event as well and that might be the one at AP right now. All of the CA list one guys are in the results, none of the ones from the list below are.

DECATHLON
MtSAC
Jake Arnold ASICS
Bjorn Barrefors Nebraska
Jack Szmanda Minnesota
Marcus Nilsson UCLA
Japheth Cato Wisconsin
Jeremy Taiwo Washington
Zach Ziemek Wisconsin
Dominic Giovannoni UCLA
Daniel Kinsey NEO Elite
Andy Lillejord North Dakota State
Teran Walford Nebraska
Jemal Williams USC
Michael Tibbs Air Force Academy
Josh Gordon Washington
Corey Hammon Illinois
Kurt Reichenback Michigan
Justin Balczak Lake
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:47 am

The results I'm seeing show Teigan Eilers from Humboldt State University (Arcata CA.....my old hometown!!) in 2nd place.

Believe me, when you see an HSU guy in 2nd place in the Dec.......that's the "B" squad you're seeing.

Or maybe the "C"!! :lol:
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:21 pm

The Top sections are still in the initial stages. In the Decathlon, Ziemek (WI) leads as he set a big PR of 10.77/2.0 (11.03, indoor NCAA he had a 7.01 in his 5th-place ~5900 pt Hept). Cato is not listed in the WI story as competing today. He had only a 11.09 in his only decathlon to date (I think), 7043; however, that had a DNS(5:28) in the 1500 [he has no PR listed; he did 2:48/1000 indoors. Note, taking the 7042, the 1500 needs to be 5:28, not DNS, his 10.77 start here, he hit 2.06 indoors (vs 1.97) and 13.11 vs 12.31 SP, 44.45m DT vs 37.09m and his improvement from 4.70 to 5.40 in the PV, he could be set for a pretty big breakthrough this year. with 10.77/7.22m/13.11m/206/50//15.44/44.45/5.40/55.83/5:00 he totals 7949.

Decathlon: 12th - 7,042 (11.09 / 7.13m / 12.31m / 1.97m / 51.52 / 15.81 / 37.09m / 4.70m / 52.17m / DNS) listed as DNS, but 0 gives a total of only 6633, not 7042; put in 5:28 for the 1500 and it works out.

Well, only 6.60/-2.4 on the LJ so.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:15 pm

Top 6 after 2 events

1 Taiwo, Jeremy 10.91 7.51m
SR 1818 (881) (937) 1818
2 Lillejord, Andy 11.01 6.95m
JR 1660 (858) (802) 1660
3 Gordon, Josh 11.18 7.08m
FR 1654 (821) (833) 1654
4 Ziemek, Zach 10.77 6.60m
SO 1632 (912) (720) 1632
5 Arnold, Jake 11.04 6.78m
1614 (852) (762) 1614
6 Balczak, Justin 11.27 6.97m
SO 1608 (801) (807) 1608
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:50 pm

26mi235 wrote:Top 6 after 2 events

1 Taiwo, Jeremy 10.91 7.51m
SR 1818 (881) (937) 1818
2 Lillejord, Andy 11.01 6.95m
JR 1660 (858) (802) 1660
3 Gordon, Josh 11.18 7.08m
FR 1654 (821) (833) 1654
4 Ziemek, Zach 10.77 6.60m
SO 1632 (912) (720) 1632
5 Arnold, Jake 11.04 6.78m
1614 (852) (762) 1614
6 Balczak, Justin 11.27 6.97m
SO 1608 (801) (807) 1608


Two PBs to Taiwo that unfortunately were followed by 11.13 in the SP (3 meters below his indoor best). Taiwo now overtake Beach as the collegian with the highest sum of PBs in the decathlon.
Ziemek is showing signs of becoming the next Scantling with very good PB in the 100. He was a bit unlucky with the wind in the LJ.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:46 pm

Mt. SAC Deca: Looks like the guys are struggling a bit. Taiwo at 3297 after 4 events after going 2.13 in the HJ, maybe now the only one with a legit chance at going over 8000 it seems, and/or maybe Arnold if he throws well on day 2? If Taiwo matches his PB's in 400/110H/PV/1500 and throws 40m Disc/50m Jav, that'll add to 8069... unless I'm missing something.

I noticed Cato was at Specs Town this past weekend, so that explains why he's not here... he went 14.20 in the hurdles and 24' 5.5" (7.45) there.
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