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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby dbirds » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:15 pm

Schrader is an 8600 guy and could scare 8700 with a good
Competition
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby bruce3404 » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:12 pm

olorin wrote:Few Observations from the meet:
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Horn - the bravest man in the competition. Able to jump 5.00 when the rest was well below par. Got injured in the JT (so there was no chasing for him) and then had a wonderful attempt for the “B” in the 1500. Sort of a good thing he didn’t make it because it would really be unfair if he stayed home because of Nixon 8198.
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Completely agree. My respect for Horn magnified 10-fold. He laid it all out there in the 1500 and I'm surprised they didn't need to carry him off on a stretcher. Your presence at the meet and "Rain Man" deca knowledge has been most welcome.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby norunner » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:27 am

dbirds wrote:Schrader is an 8600 guy and could scare 8700 with a good
Competition
Yeah but that's not going to be good enough unless Eaton is not at his best. As much fun as it is to see Eaton go over 9000, it would be much more thrilling to see 3-4 guys going for it at the same level.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby leoesharkey » Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:18 am

I see Eaton got a PR in the Shot here ! :)
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Re: ¶USATF 2013 - mDec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby gktrack » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:19 am

olorin wrote:Few Observations from the meet:
Eaton - it was clear from the first event that he wasn’t at his best. I think that he will be happy with his throws (condition were really bad in the JT).
his 4.60 attempt was way over the bar and he did tried to go for 5.20. The problem was there was a negative wind of ~4.0m and he decided not to try (he put his pole and just walk below the par).
The classy moment - pointing at Nixon when he was announced as the winner.
Hardee - the showman of the competition. Had few funny remarks. Like Eaton I will not read anything from his performance.
Nixon - The performance of the meet. Could have score much more if it wasn’t for the PV.
Horn - the bravest man in the competition. Able to jump 5.00 when the rest was well below par. Got injured in the JT (so there was no chasing for him) and then had a wonderful attempt for the “B” in the 1500. Sort of a good thing he didn’t make it because it would really be unfair if he stayed home because of Nixon 8198.
Taiwo - didn’t have a great first day but show (again) that he is a fighter. Interestingly, before the start of the DT he was practicing two different techniques (with and without rotation) opting eventually for the rotation technique.

great observations... from what they showed on the webcast/tv, I was pleased to see the sportsmanship displayed by all the competitors (Eaton's gesture at the end, Taiwo's congrats to Nixon in the middle of the HJ, etc). Under what appeared to be poor JT conditions, Nixon still PR'ed in that event after his poor PV - a sign of a tough competitor. And I agree with olorin and Bruce3404 on the incredibly brave effort Horn made in the 1500, tying up so badly that he fell 10 meters from the finish line, which probably cost him third place. For Taiwo to gain more than 20 seconds on him in less than a lap tells us how much Horn tried. This is a breath of fresh air after seeing so many competitions where guys just jog or don't even run the 1500 - great effort Horn!
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby user4 » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:06 am

leoesharkey wrote:I see Eaton got a PR in the Shot here ! :)


This along with his 400m and PV performance suggests that Eaton might have been more fit than he let on, and was certainly capable of 8600 here. Was he just trying to make the competition a little more exciting and help some of the other guys like Nixon ?
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby Jackaloupe » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:00 am

No, Eaton's PR is 15.40, set in SoCal. NBC was repeating the earlier misstatement (corrected here) by the meet announcer, who was only correct in that it's a Decathlon PR. Makes you wonder how many of all those supposedly PRs for others were also Decathlon, not open PRs.

I was pleased to note--despite the fleeting nature of coverage w/ few attempts shown, and only the end of Eaton's hurdles--that Eaton has apparently (finally!) adopted "normal" styles/approaches in both SP (Glide instead of Shuffle) and Jav (5-6 easy running steps before a similar number of crossovers, replacing pure X-steps).

For me, the latter has an added psychological effect: Instead of standing sideways, the Jav thrower stands tall, looks down the runway and out into the field. Different way of holding the Jav also: Up in the air, or half-cocked, instead of already pulled back.

I wouldn't go so far as suggesting there's that little muscular "set", as when you dip down before jumping, but we're talking mindset here, and I like what I see in these new approaches--while also feeling somewhat vindicated for suggesting all along that both these styles could stand a little "review", possibly in consultation w/ some specialist(s).

BTW, Hardee was using that X-step only style in his advisedly conservative "approach" to the Jav; didn't get much out of it, either. Eaton also handled the wind well--as Dan O' Brian pointed out, while overstating Eaton 63+m PR as "close to 70 meters"--being used to conditions in Eugene, where many visitors meet their downfall with throws being blown back (esp. when errantly pulling the tail down)
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby DecFan » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:48 pm

Jackaloupe wrote:Eaton also handled the wind well--as Dan O' Brian pointed out, while overstating Eaton 63+m PR as "close to 70 meters"

Eaton's JT PR is 66.64.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby Jackaloupe » Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:54 pm

Of course, I recall how excited we all were when that happened. Now I'm anxious to find out if he'd already modified his approach. Unfortunately, the video feed inexplicably was waist-up, but it was pretty clear it was about 50/50 straight runup/X-steps.

On his final throw Saturday, he barely fouled, following a longish-appearing final hop--slightly slower than the prescribed quick-step into block.

Discus looked quite powerful, but the release was downright fluttery, so 150 ft. is well in his sights.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby bruce3404 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:37 am

Final JT foul was the longest throw of the competition, roughly 65 meters.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby Jackaloupe » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:37 am

Thanks so much, Bruce. The amateurish camera work from the Live Feed was frustrating, as they'd zero in on a clutch of Officials w/ no perspective on even what meter line it was. And Dan O' Brien didn't even mention that one being a long Foul; it sure looked good, as the effort showed, unfortunately incl. that longish last hop.

Same w/ Discus, as you could see Eaton getting behind the throw; too bad the release was so wobbly. Was that wind good for the Discus? BTW, that open field in the middle of some suburban neighborhood hardly any Championship feel(d) to it. And Des Moines wants to subject OlyTrials crowds to the Iowa sun in that open stadium...
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby eiluke » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:05 am

good point jackaloupe, from the camera perspective that discus field did not even look plan, one had to wonder wheather there is a base slope ....
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby olorin » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:21 am

bruce3404 wrote:Final JT foul was the longest throw of the competition, roughly 65 meters.

In the DT he had a practise throw that didn't wobble and landed near the 50m line. Even Meera (that was sitting five meters from us) was pleased. Unfortunately he couldn't produce the same throw in the competition. Maybe in the build up to Moscow he will finally be able to deliver the promised 50+ throw (an improvement of ~150 points on his result in the WR). If I was USATF I would tell Des Moines that before they solve the problem with the long throws not to bother with bids for the Olympic trials.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby user4 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:14 am

olorin wrote:
bruce3404 wrote:Final JT foul was the longest throw of the competition, roughly 65 meters.

In the DT he had a practise throw that didn't wobble and landed near the 50m line. Even Meera (that was sitting five meters from us) was pleased. Unfortunately he couldn't produce the same throw in the competition. Maybe in the build up to Moscow he will finally be able to deliver the promised 50+ throw (an improvement of ~150 points on his result in the WR). If I was USATF I would tell Des Moines that before they solve the problem with the long throws not to bother with bids for the Olympic trials.


Is the Eaton team really confident that the loss in body weight is a good thing ? He looked a bit emaciated for a decathlete in the interview on the 1st day. This guy is special. Watch that interview to see the gold standard in class.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby bruce3404 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:39 am

user4 wrote:
Is the Eaton team really confident that the loss in body weight is a good thing ? He looked a bit emaciated for a decathlete in the interview on the 1st day. This guy is special. Watch that interview to see the gold standard in class.


I quickly noticed on day one that he had lost some bulk from last year. My guess is that he and his coach are experimenting with the right balances. Since most of his marks have improved this year (at least in open, individual event, appearances), it seems that they're on the right track.
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USA Multis

Postby olorin » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:48 am

Since the decathlon season is virtually over it is time to wrap up this thread. As most of my comments I will not concentrate on the obvious ones (Eaton and Hardee) but rather on the young decathletes behind them. For each decathlete I present his decathlon PB (improvement this year) and the sum of PBs (improvement this year).


Gunner Nixon 8312 (+420) 8552 (+249)
At the tender age of 20 Gunner Nixon emerges as the new great hope of American multi-events. Unlike most of his young competitor he is not a horrible thrower (14.5, 42, 60). Show this season few time that he is not phase by competition which is a great asset at his young age. Could have probably scored 8400+ with better conditions in Des Moines or if he didn’t pick a slight injury in Moscow.
Best moment of the season - leading the world championship after four events.
Better than Eaton - in the HJ (PB 2.17 during decathlon)
Needs to improve - 110h (14.52) and PV (4.80)
Personal note: I don’t know why but I find him the less likeable decathlete of all the young generation

Jeremy Taiwo 8239 (+497) 8543 (+311)
At the beginning of this thread I predicted that Taiwo can have a sum of PBs of 8600 in a year or two. At time it looked like an hyperbole as he had relatively bad start to the summer season. But Taiwo was able to peak for the NCAA and USATF and break his decathlon PB by close to 500 points. Looked really good in Moscow in the first two events until an injury forced him out. As most young American decathletes he is relatively good in the running and jumping events but horrible in the throws.
Best moment of the season - jumping a PB of 5.00m in the PV after a disaster in the DT in Eugene.
Better than Eaton - in the HJ (PB 2.25(!) and 2.17 during decathlon)
Needs to improve - DT and JT (~41m, ~53).
Personal note: now that he is out of the collegian system I really hope that he will be able to improve rapidly so he can have a future in T&F.

Curtis Beach 8011 (?) 8530 (+217)
Had his first legal 8000+ score this season and broke his PBs in no less than six events. Made huge strides to become a world class decathlete with big improvements in all three jumping events (186 points). Beach sum of PBs is better than Hardee in the four running events and similar to Hardee in the three jumping events. His Achilles heel is the throws in which he sucks.
Beach’s season is generally a “what if” season because of his injury that prevented him to be out there with Nixon and Taiwo.
Best moment of the season - jumping 7.80 at the NCAA and proving that he can score 8200+ with his throws.
Better than Eaton - in the 1500 when he ran 4:03 in the NCAA for his second best moment of the season
Needs to improve - the throws (surprise surprise)
Personal note - I can understand being bad in the SP and DT, but the JT is all about technique. There is no reason in the world why Beach can’t throw 60+ like almost any other decathletes. This alone can make him a medal contender.
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby dbirds » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:51 am

I'm hearing Nixon and Hardee are going to Talence
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Re: ¶USATF Dec: Ashton Eaton 8291

Postby eiluke » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:38 pm

The season is just for Eaton virtually over.
[url]World Champion:[/url]
His body actully does not allow him to reach his potential in the long jump and the high jump.
Starting if there is no chance on a new world record would be bar any sence, he needs to rest his knee - or whatever hindered him this season.
[url]Silver medalist:[/url]
I'm sure Schrader has finished the season as well.
[url]Bronce medalist:[/url]
No idea what Warner plans.

But Hardee and Nixon in Talence would be great.
There is by the way the combined event challange (a combination of the points decathletes do put up in a few listed decathlons within one season) to decide.
30.000 $ for the winner and 20.000$ for 2nd place and 15.000$ for third place.
Krauchanka leads (he has already finished 3 good events this season) but Beherenbruch, Mayer and Sintnicolaas and Freimuth (all have 2 good results so far) and do have good chances to overcome him.

About the other germans I've heard:
Knobel: tried a decathlon last weekend (dnf). He can't be satisfied with the season, so why not trying another one.
Prey: did not start last weekend, (so he might plan Talance?)
Abele: declared season (succesfully) finished (with 8251 last weekend)
Hock and Müller are (slightly to my knowledge) injured, season over.
Kacmirek: his best decathlon did not count for the combined challange and with no chance to end up in the money I do not expect him to start.
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