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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 09, 2013 9:20 pm

I think that my presence is required elsewhere that week. :?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Thu May 09, 2013 10:19 pm

olorin wrote:GOING TO DES MOINES?

I have not made plans yet either way, but if I'm there, I'll let you know so I can further my education.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Thu May 09, 2013 11:18 pm

olorin wrote:
Bruce Kritzler wrote:Lazas did one two weeks ago in the rain, so thinking he may just do individual events here?

I was surprised to see Lazas name in the start list. I am even more surprised that he is going for the full decathlon. However, he is not pushing himself to the limit. He tried only two jumps in the LJ. He skipped many heights in the HJ including 2.00m (his PB is 1.99 outdoor and 2.01 indoor) and had a pedestrian 400 (two second above his PB).
So either he is conserving (smart) or slightly injured. Hope he will be in top form come the NCAA and the trials.

I guess I look at it a bit differently. As of May 6, only 3 guys have a B qualifier (other than wild-card Hardee and Eaton)... I. Murphy 8067, C. Beach 8011, and D. Keys 8001. At some point, and not waiting to the last minute, wouldn't it take some of the stress off the potential 3/4 WC slot guys knowing they at least have a B standard going into the Nationals? If they don't do it here, that only leaves the NCAA's and Nationals, added stress in both, not considering weather, etc. And then there's the non-NCAA guys like Arnold and Bray who have competed this year, had little/no shot at 8000 after 8 or 9 events, and predictably didn't run the 1500. To add to the complexity, they can chase the standard after the Nationals this year, right?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 10, 2013 12:06 am

gktrack wrote:
Bruce Kritzler wrote:Lazas did one two weeks ago in the rain, so thinking he may just do individual events here?


I guess I look at it a bit differently. As of May 6, only 3 guys have a B qualifier (other than wild-card Hardee and Eaton)... I. Murphy 8067, C. Beach 8011, and D. Keys 8001. At some point, and not waiting to the last minute, wouldn't it take some of the stress off the potential 3/4 WC slot guys knowing they at least have a B standard going into the Nationals? If they don't do it here, that only leaves the NCAA's and Nationals, added stress in both, not considering weather, etc. And then there's the non-NCAA guys like Arnold and Bray who have competed this year, had little/no shot at 8000 after 8 or 9 events, and predictably didn't run the 1500. To add to the complexity, they can chase the standard after the Nationals this year, right?

I think that it is a smart policy to try to get the "A" before the trials. In that respect Nixon's decision to compete in Gotizs is smart and I think that Moss and the other non-NCAA decathletes should follow suit. As you mention having the qualifying mark is likely to reduce the pressure during the trials.

However, Lazas competing for "B" does not seems like a good policy to me. First, the chances that Lazas will not get the "B" in two target competitions seems to me quite remote (he will probably need at least a B in order to medal in the NCAA). Further, the chances that the third place in the US trials will not score more than 8000 points are not very big. On the down side Lazas is facing a higher probability of an injury (burning out) with four decathlons in less than three months.

I think that Lazas is competing in the decathlon but his main focus is improvement in specific events. In that respect the 110h is a place when Lazas can do with a large improvement as his current PB is 15.12 and most of his competitors have a PB of 14.0-14.5. (a loss of ~100 points).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 10, 2013 3:42 am

olorin wrote:
gktrack wrote:
Bruce Kritzler wrote:Lazas did one two weeks ago in the rain, so thinking he may just do individual events here?

I think that the simpler explanation (than my previous one and gktrack) is that Lazas scored of 7,537 may not be enough to qualify to the NCAA. Right now he is ranked only 12 and there are many competitions that athletes will chase the qualification. In 2012 7,508 needed to qualify and this year the level improved a lot. So it is a possible that Lazas is competing to achieve a mark of ~7,700 in order to ensure qualification.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 6:16 am

This the decathlon, not the 100 or 800. You do not just go out and get the Q mark for the trials. In this instance, the top B will go, and you probably will not be not 2-3 if you do not hit the B. The two main competitions for the young guys are the conference (now; e.g., starts in 3 hours for Ziemek and others from Wisconsin, although it is too soon for him, I think).

The young guys coming up have a difficult time being really ready to do their best until at least May and into June -- heck a month ago there was still snow on the ground and further north they got 55 inches of snow in April and the lakes still have ice.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 8:09 am

Ziemek continues to surprise; indoors it was the 5.40, now the 100 in 10.60

10.60 2.5 952 Zach Ziemek SO Wisconsin
10.92 3.3 878 Charlie Foss FR Wisconsin
10.95 3.3 872 Kyle Reid JR Iowa
10.97 2.5 867 Corey Hammon JR Illinois
10.99 3.3 863 Teran Walford SR Nebraska
11.03 3.3 854 Bjorn Barrefors SR Nebraska
11.05 3.3 850 Dylan Anderson FR Indiana
11.07 3.3 845 Cory Kunze JR Ohio State
11.10 3.3 838 Kenny Schofield JR Minnesota
11.15 3.3 827 Jack Szmanda SR Minnesota

[all three Wisconsin guys with PRs :) ]
Not sure what Barrefors PR is
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Fri May 10, 2013 8:14 am

Nothing like starting off with a PR... Who are the ones to watch here, Ziemek, Barrefors, Szmanda?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 8:30 am

Barrefors is the favorite; Ziemek has to both make is speed-related events match his 'best-in-class' (the 5.40 PV), as his LJ and 110h, as well as his 400 lag behind his 10.60 - speed.

I like Szmanda but he has been slow to add to his level from several years back, although I did not actually discuss it with him last year at Big Tens. He is a pretty good vaulter.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri May 10, 2013 9:08 am

Hurdles at SEC Dec:
Scantling 14.49 (0.24/30 pt PR)
Uibo 14.78 (0.15/18 pt PR)
Lazas 15.19 (only 0.07 off his PR)

Standings:
Scantling 5068
Uibo 4993
Lazas 4857

Great competition!
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Fri May 10, 2013 9:14 am

DecFan wrote:Great competition!

Good stuff - Scantling/Lazas Americans looking to go over 8000 today?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby tgs3 » Fri May 10, 2013 9:17 am

DecFan wrote:Standings:
Scantling 5068
Uibo 4993
Lazas 4857


By my calculations, thru 6 events, Scantling is 38 points up on his PR (7824), Uibo is 16 points down on his (8223) and Lazas is 3 points down on his (7955). It'll be interesting to see if Uibo can nail his discus throw again like he did last month.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 9:33 am

Well, Ziemek fixed one of his not quiet right events 7.65 LJ (and had a 7.54 as well) and adding 972 to his 952 form the 100; even if he goes downhill from here (he is not going to average 962//0620 total :lol: ), 1924 is a good start.

[And again, all three Wisconsin guys PRed, although having winds of 2.5 to 4.0 do not hurt!!]

Totals so far:

1 Zach Ziemek 1924 10.6 7.65m
SO Wisconsin 25-1 ¼
w: +2.5 w: 4.0
952 972
-952 -1924
2 Cory Kunze 1755 11.07 7.40m
JR Ohio State 24-3 ½
w: +3.3 w: 5.2
845 910
(-169) -845 -1755
3 Dylan Anderson 1748 11.05 7.35m
FR Indiana 24-1 ½
w: +3.3 w: 4.9
850 898
(-176) -850 -1748
4 Charlie Foss 1720 10.92 7.12m
FR Wisconsin 23-4 ½
w: +3.3 w: 3.8
878 842
(-204) -878 -1720
5 Bjorn Barrefors 1704 11.03 7.15m
SR Nebraska 23-5 ½
w: +3.3 w: 2.4
854 850
(-220) -854 -1704

The Big Ten meet is now delayed for some (impressive) lightening
There have been some crazy lightning strikes nearby...so we're temporarily delayed here in Columbus.
(from some Illinois Twitter)

And then another twitter :
Asked #Badgers' decathletes how close lightning strike was to SP ring they were warming up in. Ziemek: "Oh, it was close"
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri May 10, 2013 9:46 am

DT:
Scantling 41.15 (51 pts down on PR)
Uibo 43.42 (118! pts down on PR)
Lazas 40.57 (20 pts down on PR)

Standings:
Scantling 5756
Uibo 5684
Lazas 5533

As I said above:
DT is Uibo's big strength relative to the other two. He should beat them by 110+ pts in that event.
PV is Lazas' big strength. He should beat the other two by close to 100 pts.
With his new JT PR, Scantling should beat the other two by 60+ points in that event.
Scantling is far inferior in the 1500. He needs a lead of 140+ points going in to the 1500 in order to have a shot at winning.
DT is a key event for Scantling. In his last decathlon, he had a really poor DT that kept him from having a huge decathlon PR.

So in DT, Scantling did fine. Uibo hurt himself. Lazas did quite well.

(Edit: Corrected Uibo's total)
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Fri May 10, 2013 9:56 am

DecFan - I had Lazas a bit more down on his DT PR of 43.25? (all-athletics), or might that be a junior/HS mark in the wrong place? Scantling looking real good for 8000 though.

Also, here's link to Big 10 Dec live results...
http://results.pttiming.com/liveresults/2013/big10/Multi.htm
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri May 10, 2013 10:23 am

gktrack wrote:DecFan - I had Lazas a bit more down on his DT PR of 43.25? (all-athletics), or might that be a junior/HS mark in the wrong place? Scantling looking real good for 8000 though.



I was using Lazas PRs from decathlon2000. I suspect decathlon2000 may have been out of date, not including a recent DT outside of decathlon competition. My calculations at the end of the first day were based on that lower DT PR.

Anyone know for sure?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri May 10, 2013 10:26 am

Should Scantling, Uibo, and Lazas =PRs the rest of the way in, the final score would be:

Uibo 8162
Scantling 8102
Lazas 8051

(if my list of PRs is right . . .)
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Fri May 10, 2013 10:45 am

DecFan - all-athletics has the wrong DT PR for Lazas - that was his mark when he was a prep with the 1.6k discus. You used the correct PR of 41.54, so yes, he did throw well today.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby TimRoy » Fri May 10, 2013 10:46 am

My numbers suggest the following totals (expecting 'representative' results, rather than PRs):

Uibo: 8040: 5.00, 59.00, 4:33
Scantling: 7995: 4.90, 64.00, 5:00
Lazas: 7880: 5.00, 59.00, 4:35

Would be delighted to learn I'm underestimating them.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Fri May 10, 2013 10:52 am

Alcide and Bougard threw any chances of getting 6000.....or even 5900....out the window with their LJ and JT performances.
But it's still a good competition between them.
After 6 events, it's 5056 to 4933, Alcide in front.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 11:03 am

What are the strictures on wind for qualifying marks, but US and Worlds? It might be a little bit of an issue because Ziemek's 1924 start, with winds of 2.5 and 4.0 (he had a 7.54 with a 2.8). Of course, there are eight events to go, including a number of relatively weak ones.

However, if he hits his PRs in the verticals (no small task to do another 540) he only has to average 700 in the other six events to hit 8000 -- Prs the rest of the way total 8026, I think, although four are from 2012, and his 100 has gone from 11.04 to 10.60, his LJ from 711 to 765 and his PV from 510 to 540 since then, and his other 2013 PRs are from March (awfully early for up here, especially this year).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 11:24 am

They are just starting the ramp back up after a long lightening delay. In the shot the men will start their warmups again. However, for the women, some of the jumpers had started while others had passed, I think. Does everyone get to warm up again or are you 'stuck'. In the PV you get 2 mints of run throughs for warmups after an hour since the start. Does the HJ have a similar rule and how does it apply?
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Re: USA Multis

Postby TimRoy » Fri May 10, 2013 11:35 am

Scantling no-heights in the pole vault, so it's down to Uibo and Lazas for the title. Sorry to see it, as he was right on track for a first 8000.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby Marlow » Fri May 10, 2013 11:40 am

TimRoy wrote:Scantling no-heights in the pole vault, so it's down to Uibo and Lazas for the title. Sorry to see it, as he was right on track for a first 8000.

Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri May 10, 2013 11:48 am

Marlow wrote:
TimRoy wrote:Scantling no-heights in the pole vault, so it's down to Uibo and Lazas for the title. Sorry to see it, as he was right on track for a first 8000.

Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh


Double aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh - not only did Scantling no height, but my feed (which was working fine when the decathletes were jumping 3+ meters) quit updating quite a while ago . . .

Really too bad for Scantling. But he's all set up for a huge PR at NCAAs.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby TimRoy » Fri May 10, 2013 11:48 am

Marlow wrote:
TimRoy wrote:Scantling no-heights in the pole vault, so it's down to Uibo and Lazas for the title. Sorry to see it, as he was right on track for a first 8000.

Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh


Well said.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby aaronk » Fri May 10, 2013 11:50 am

Alcide wins the SEC Hept with a score of 5968.
She missed the meet record by just 1 point!!
Her 800 in 2:13+ made up quite a bit for her LJ and JT.
Bougard finished with 5786 in 2nd.
That places Alcide 16th on the A-T Collegiate list.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 1:07 pm

Now three events and Barrefors has moved up the list on the heels of his meet-best 14/15/46 5 SP

Ziemek 2588
Barrefors 2442 [PR is 7897, listed as the Big Ten record (probably excludes wind-aided marks)]
Kunze and Foss 2367
Schofield 2333

One of the WI: Schrieb missed his PR by 2cm, Foss got his by 5cm, and Ziemek got his outdoor PR by a lot (59cm) but missed his indoor mark by 15cm. The weather has remained breezy, with light rain and 65 degrees.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby DecFan » Fri May 10, 2013 1:49 pm

Disappointing close to the SEC decathlon, as everyone was well below PRs in the PV, JT, and 1500.

Final scores:
Uibo 7781
Lazas 7579
Franks 7520
. . .
5. Scantling 6943
Had Scantling vaulted 4.85 (25cm under his PR), everything else being equal, he would have outscored Uibo. (But given all the low vaults, conditions must have been bad.)
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 2:18 pm

It is probably between these two for the Big Ten Hept title (Latham is not doing the Hept until NCAAs if she has a top-16 has a 5493 ~12th, so not certain).


Place Athlete Points 100mH HJ SP 200m LJ JT 800m
1 Marissa Golliday SR Illinois 3443 14.13 w: +1.8 960 1.74m 5-8 ½ 903 (1863) 11.49m 37-8 ½ 627 (2490) 24.29 w: +1.4 953 (3443)

2 Dorcas Akinniyi SR Wisconsin 3410 (-33) 14.25 w: +2.2 943 (943) 1.74m 5-8 ½ 903 (1846) 13.55m 44-5 ½ 764 (2610) 25.97 w: +2.3 800
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 10, 2013 3:53 pm

The Big Ten results website has become more or less useless the last several hours. I do know that Ziemek ran 50.46 (old PR 51.52, but that was soft). PRs the rest of the way (plus a 5:00 1500; he has not really run one) yields 8065, but that assumes a 206 HJ [only 191, losing 136 points and his margin for 8000], which is completed but for which there is no information.


Now, finally -- the weather killed the HJ for a lot of athletes and there were some NH (Szmanda) and it is a tight fight after first, with 35 points between second and eighth. And, with variable event strength even the 248 first-place margin is not very secure, given day 2 weakness.

1 Zach Ziemek 4105 10.6 7.65m 12.94m 1.91m 50.46
SO Wisconsin 25-1 ¼ 42-5 ½ 6-3 ¼
w: +2.5 w: 4.0
952 972 664 723 794
2 Bjorn Barrefors 3857 11.03 7.15m 14.15m 1.88m 52.13
SR Nebraska 23-5 ½ 46-5 ¼ 2-Jun
w: +3.3 w: 2.4
854 850 738 696 719
3 Charlie Foss 3830 10.92 7.12m 12.66m 1.88m 51.04
FR Wisconsin 23-4 ½ 41-6 ½ 2-Jun
w: +3.3 w: 3.8
878 842 647 696 767
4 Kenny Schofield 3828 11.1 6.99m 13.35m 1.97m 52.25
JR Minnesota 22-11 ¼ 43-9 ¾ 6-5 ½
w: +3.3 w: 2.9
838 811 689 776 714
5 Teran Walford 3828 10.99 6.87m 12.37m 1.88m 49.1
SR Nebraska 22-6 ½ 40-7 2-Jun
w: +3.3 w: 4.8
863 783 629 696 857
6 Corey Hammon 3825 10.97 6.82m 12.16m 1.94m 49.83
JR Illinois 22-4 ½ 39-10 ¾ 6-4 ¼
w: +2.5 w: 4.4
867 771 616 749 822
7 Dylan Anderson 3823 11.05 7.35m 11.26m 1.97m 51.73
FR Indiana 24-1 ½ 36-11 ½ 6-5 ½
w: +3.3 w: 4.9
850 898 562 776 737
8 Kurt Reichenbach 3822 11.18 7.02m 12.38m 1.94m 50.2
SR Michigan 23-0 ½ 40-7 ½ 6-4 ¼
w: +3.3 w: 4.4
821 818 629 749 805
9 Cory Kunze 3773 11.07 7.40m 12.10m 1.85m 51.75
JR Ohio State 24-3 ½ 39-8 ½ 6-0 ¾
w: +3.3 w: 5.2
845 910 612 670 736
10 Ben Schreib 3730 11.42 6.94m 13.11m 1.97m 52.3
FR Wisconsin 22-9 ¼ 43-0 ¼ 6-5 ½
w: +2.5 w: 3.1
769 799 674 776 712
11 Heath Nickles 3679 11.38 6.62m 13.36m 1.94m 51.69
SR Ohio State 21-8 ¾ 43-10 6-4 ¼
w: +2.5 w: 3.1
778 725 689 749 738
12 Matt Gerbick 3620 11.22 6.75m 10.08m 2.03m 51.84
SO Indiana 22-1 ¾ 33-1 8-Jun
w: +2.5 w: 1.3
812 755 490 831 732
13 Kyle Reid 3576 10.95 6.56m 11.54m 1.73m 49.34
JR Iowa 21-6 ¼ 37-10 ½ 8-May
w: +3.3 w: 2.2
872 711 579 569 845
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Re: USA Multis

Postby unclezadok » Fri May 10, 2013 4:10 pm

True USA decathlon weather this week.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gm » Fri May 10, 2013 4:36 pm

Breakthrough performance for Vanessa Jules of Marshall at the C-USA Championships in Houston. She scored 5807 to add more than 500 points to her existing PR.

http://flashresultstexas.com/2013/cusaoutdoor13/
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 10, 2013 4:56 pm

Marlow wrote:
TimRoy wrote:Scantling no-heights in the pole vault, so it's down to Uibo and Lazas for the title. Sorry to see it, as he was right on track for a first 8000.

Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh

You stay a wake until 4 am to watch Doha and follow the decathlon.
Then, you go to sleep happy (even though Felix lost) and do last rough calculation that Scantling will go over 8000 this time, Ziemek is in good shape and Lazas will score more than 7,800.
You wake up in the morning, run to your computer and then this...
Triple Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh (I would use another word but then I will get ban)

Hope weather in Eugene will smile to them (or at least won't abuse them).
To the up side (I know it is hard) Scantling continue to break his PBs with 710 points improvement this year.
Ziemek (that have to score well to qualify for the NCAA) have another good competition and now have a sum of PBs above 8000 (582 points improvement). He should score more than 7,800, lets hope that he will not have a Scantling type of second day.
Both Alcide and Bougard broke their PB in the Heptathlon. Alcide set the "B" and since I doubt very much that Saint Lucia have another heptathlete she just book herself a plane ticket to Moscow
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 10, 2013 8:23 pm

DecFan wrote:
gktrack wrote:DecFan - I had Lazas a bit more down on his DT PR of 43.25? (all-athletics), or might that be a junior/HS mark in the wrong place? Scantling looking real good for 8000 though.



I was using Lazas PRs from decathlon2000. I suspect decathlon2000 may have been out of date, not including a recent DT outside of decathlon competition. My calculations at the end of the first day were based on that lower DT PR.

Anyone know for sure?

Lazas PR in the DT is 41.99
http://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/3277431.html
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Sat May 11, 2013 12:12 pm

The Big Ten has also tailed off a little on day 2. Ziemek leads at 7171 (by 279 points)

1 Z. Ziemek, UW - 7171 pts. 2. B. Barrefors, NU - 6892 3. C.Kunze, OSU - 6695

600 (4:53) gives him 7871; he will probably take it easy in the 1500 though and run a 5:10 or something comfortable. He ran 15.10 110h, just off his week-old PR or 15.04; PV only 500 except he was clean at that height and they did not show anything more in the results (room?), so he might have just stopped. He ran 5:16 for 7640. Wisconsin wins both Indoor and Outdoor Big Ten titles -- with four different athletes (Cato/Ziemek; Flax/Akinniyi).
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Re: USA Multis

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 12, 2013 1:09 pm

Notable results for the multis, Latham (WI) did individual events (Akinniyi did the Hept, needing a Q and coming back from some injuries) instead of the Hept. She has been improving her 100h time (had 13.75 at NCAAs in 2012 5606). With a good wind (3.1) she went all the way down into hurdler territory -- 13.15.
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Thu May 16, 2013 9:40 pm

From T&FN's "Day's Best Reading": NCAA entries listed for the Dec in Eugene, in early June... A couple Europeans on top of the formchart, we'll see if a few of the USA kids can make a run.
http://www.ncaa.com/content/division-i-track-field-participants-results
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Re: USA Multis

Postby olorin » Fri May 17, 2013 7:01 pm

gktrack wrote:My gut tells me that Gunnar Nixon will be in Moscow this summer, being one of the younger ones and more likely on the steeper part of the improvement curve... and last I heard he was in full training by home in Oklahoma... but no sign of him yet outdoors as olorin mentions.

Nixon started is outdoor season in Atlanta Grand Prix:
100m - 10.85 PB (-0.3) previous PB 10.89 (+1.9)
SP - 14.03 outdoor PB (13.74) indoor PB 14.27

In the same competition Hardee and Eaton 15.28 and 14.84 in the SP
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Re: USA Multis

Postby gktrack » Fri May 17, 2013 8:36 pm

Thanks olorin for the post - good to see Nixon heading to Gotzis on a good note.
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