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Postby gh » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:51 pm

text from a friend who is already on the ground

<<... heat prostration at about 3:35pm and 4:42pm on Sunday – with a weather prediction of a bit of humidity and 93-93 degree temps . . .   
 
Looks as if those who will make the World Championships will be as much a factor of dealing with the weather conditions as it will be for racing tactics and talent . . .
 
Oh - for those cooler evening temps in Sacramento, Walnut, Occidental and Eugene . . . >>

(the writer, by the way, is not a West Coaster; he grew up and still lives in heat/humidity)
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Grasshopper » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:55 pm

In other words, if you don't have the "A" in your distance event already, you ain't gettin' it here.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby 8aldP|23 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:13 pm

I've yet to experience heat prostration :D
I looked it up. It's another name for heat exhaustion.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby br » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:22 pm

8aldP|23 wrote:I've yet to experience heat prostration :D
I looked it up. It's another name for heat exhaustion.

Canadian english.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby KevinM » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:23 pm

Grasshopper wrote:In other words, if you don't have the "A" in your distance event already, you ain't gettin' it here.


True, but I doubt it was really ever on the table, only one person has ever hit the current A standard in each of the 1500, 5000, and 10,000 at a US champs (Webb, Broe, and Meb, respectively).
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby gh » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:33 pm

br wrote:
8aldP|23 wrote:I've yet to experience heat prostration :D
I looked it up. It's another name for heat exhaustion.

Canadian english.


seriously? The guy who wrote it is anything but Canuckian, I assure you. Maybe a generational thing? Very common term for me.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby EPelle » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:38 pm

Craig Virgin, on Facebook wrote:Heading on the road to Cedar Rapids/Iowa City area to work for a couple days. I plan on going up to Des Moines to watch a great deal of the USAT&F National Outdoor T & F Champs after that... Unfortunately, it is expected to be hot and humid by the weekend after a fairly cool June so far. Midwest weather in June is a crap shoot!
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby runforlife » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:21 pm

gh wrote:Oh - for those cooler evening temps in Sacramento, Walnut, Occidental and Eugene . . . >>

Hey, no place in the world I'd rather be than at Drake Stadium this weekend. Could not be hotter than Indy in '88.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Al in NYC » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:22 pm

Of course, the fact that this weather is quite normal summer weather for about 80% of the country, and is the weather that people across the country run (bicycle, work, play baseball, football, soccer, tennis, golf, etc.) in regularly, should not stand in the way of restricting our NATIONAL championship only to the lands west of the Sierras (so as not to offend the weather preferences of Californians and Oregonians).

I know it seems a little hot and humid, but it's not a natural disaster... it's just summer.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby gh » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:47 pm

Al in NYC wrote:...

I know it seems a little hot and humid, but it's not a natural disaster... it's just summer.


Unfortunately it is a potential "disaster" for U.S. distance runners, already faced with high qualifying standards for the WC and a very tight qualifying window. Add in conditions that preclude being able to run exceedingly fast (not that there's any guarantee that anybody would take the pace out anyway), and yeah, it's not a good thing.

Sprinters/jumpers/throwers should love it.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Al in NYC » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:21 pm

Point taken (but still not reason enough to restrict where the meet is held to a narrow portion of the country). And, anyway, how often has anyone ever gotten a qualifying time in a nationals distance race?
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby rsb2 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:34 pm

Suggestions:
1) Hold the 10K's a week earlier at a "user-friendly" facility. This would allow a better shot
at running standards, and also more will double back in the 5K at Nationals.
2) Run the events over 1500 m. as late as possible, under the lights. This would be easy
if the 10K was run a week earlier, and again would increase the odds of seeing some front-
running and standard making.
I know some will say that Nationals are not the place to run standards, but that is not true
for any event group other than distance runners. I see this as levelling the playing field.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Dogfan » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:03 pm

Grasshopper wrote:In other words, if you don't have the "A" in your distance event already, you ain't gettin' it here.


That's a lot of pressure; to get the A standard and finish in the top 3. Why expect both to occur the same day? A lot to ask regardless the location of the meet.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby tm71 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:34 pm

Both 10k races on Thursday will be run well after the sun sets.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby gh » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:57 pm

I've been saying for decades that the 10s—as in many other more sensible countries—need to be held months apart from the main meet.

As for running longer races at night, you're forgetting the tail that wags the dog—TV—which wants windows in the daytime on the weekend, which is going to entail longer races being run then.

There's no way they'd ever allow the 1500 to escape from their grasp.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby rsb2 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:12 pm

Yes, as I suggested, events over 1500 m. late in the evening, and keep the 800/1500 available for the TV window. If anything spectacular happens in the steeple/5000, they can offer the highlights the next day, which is as much or more than they show now.
I am aware of the schedule in Des Moines, however I strongly believe that the total package (for the athletes) would be much better with the 10K on a separate weekend.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby DrJay » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:14 am

gh wrote:
Al in NYC wrote:Sprinters/jumpers/throwers should love it.


Do the guys/gals doubling 100/200 like it mid-80s or higher? For a one-off 100 or 200 I'd think so. But having to warm-up, race, and cool down for some six races, plus be in the heat whenever you're not inside air conditioning, has to take a lot out you. Would they prefer 70F?
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby KevinM » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:15 am

Dogfan wrote:That's a lot of pressure; to get the A standard and finish in the top 3. Why expect both to occur the same day? A lot to ask regardless the location of the meet.


This is exactly right, but it won't prevent the annual (misguided, ignorant) bitching about slow paces in the 1500 and 5000.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Marlow » Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:49 am

KevinM wrote:
Dogfan wrote:That's a lot of pressure; to get the A standard and finish in the top 3. Why expect both to occur the same day? A lot to ask regardless the location of the meet.

This is exactly right, but it won't prevent the annual (misguided, ignorant) bitching about slow paces in the 1500 and 5000.

Yes, but the good news is that we have become so accustomed to these walk-jog-sprint affairs, we no longer harbor ANY expectations any more. When the first lap of a 1500 is run in 65+, or 68 in the 5000, yeah, I'm gonna bitch. Misguided, ignorant? Not to us Pre fans! :D
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby tm71 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:19 am

what is up with the huge variations in the wind today. there was a jump with 6.0 tailwind and a race that was run into a 5.6 headwind. it seems all of the races have been in a headwind and jumps have been windaided. never seen that much in a championship meet in the summer.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Alan Shank » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:27 am

tm71 wrote:Both 10k races on Thursday will be run well after the sun sets.


Not really. Don't forget that tonight is the Summer Solstice. Here in California, sunset is 20:35. W 10K is scheduled for 20:20. According to Weather Underground, sunset in Des Moines is 20:52. They show 81, 61% for 19:00, 75, 75% for 22:00.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby tm71 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:30 am

Alan Shank wrote:
tm71 wrote:Both 10k races on Thursday will be run well after the sun sets.


Not really. Don't forget that tonight is the Summer Solstice. Here in California, sunset is 20:35. W 10K is scheduled for 20:20. According to Weather Underground, sunset in Des Moines is 20:52. They show 81, 61% for 19:00, 75, 75% for 22:00.
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so they will be running in the twilight...zone !
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Alan Shank » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:30 am

gh wrote:I've been saying for decades that the 10s—as in many other more sensible countries—need to be held months apart from the main meet.


Case in point: Russia just had their 10,000 championship races i/c/w the Moscow IWC (or s.t.). We could have had the 10K nationals at Pre, like Kenya did last year for their Oly trials. It would make for better 5K races at USATF, too.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Alan Shank » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:38 am

They have reversed the direction of the 100 H for the women's HEP; got a +2.7 mph wind. They did this to get better scores.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby lionelp1 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:43 am

the wind will be at 4 to 7 mps during the meet if the likely figures from weather .com are correct, which may not be so. Wind from the south they say. Bloody hot with storms/rains in the offing and southerly winds. The only difference with our shit weather is its plus 30 degrees in Des Moines during the day... bit hotter than we get to see.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby tm71 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:45 am

even though many say eugune always produces windy marks, but nothing to this effect !
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:58 am

Alan Shank wrote:
tm71 wrote:Both 10k races on Thursday will be run well after the sun sets.


Not really. Don't forget that tonight is the Summer Solstice. Here in California, sunset is 20:35.


Yes, but that does not mean that today has the latest sunset (not that it matters empirically, because the difference is slight :wink: ).

The warm weather and the strong winds are related, as the strong south winds are bringing in the warm and moist air (although the dew point is only 65 right now => RH = 46%). The entire period will have similarly high winds in the official forecast, although not always with gusts (midday feature).
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby huntinwr » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:02 pm

Alan Shank wrote:
gh wrote:I've been saying for decades that the 10s—as in many other more sensible countries—need to be held months apart from the main meet.


Case in point: Russia just had their 10,000 championship races i/c/w the Moscow IWC (or s.t.). We could have had the 10K nationals at Pre, like Kenya did last year for their Oly trials. It would make for better 5K races at USATF, too.
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Too bad USATF doesn't do things according to common sense and/or athletes benefit. :(
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Half Miler » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:02 pm

runforlife wrote:Could not be hotter than Indy in '88.


Jay Marden experienced a bit of 'heat prostration' in that meet. As in, on the final backstretch, he went prostrate.

I remember a quote from someone in the booth (possibly gh?):

"They sure bend over backward to please you at the Olympic Trials!"
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Mighty Favog » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:08 pm

Devil's advocate: if we hold the 10k trials in one of the distance-heavy Stanford invitationals in April, then does anyone go for broke for time or is it yet another of those races where everyone looks at each other for 20 laps and then decides to actually race?

There was a time when it was much, much worse than it is now. Just read Ron Daws' "The Self-Made Olympian" and see how miserable championship and trials races held in June and July were. Ugh.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby Alan Shank » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:09 pm

Mighty Favog wrote:Devil's advocate: if we hold the 10k trials in one of the distance-heavy Stanford invitationals in April, then does anyone go for broke for time or is it yet another of those races where everyone looks at each other for 20 laps and then decides to actually race?


It seems to me that April is way too early to hold a championship/trial.

If the race were held in good conditions, then runners might be more prone to trying for qualifying times. As it is now, there isn't much time left, and they've just run a 10K (collegians have run two of them).
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby bruce3404 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:29 pm

Weather wasn't all that bad this evening when the races were run. Around 83 degrees, but low humidity (meaning under 60%) and a slight breeze. I've seen a lot worse during NCAA championship meets here. No doubt had it been Eugene weather (60 degrees at 9PM this evening), Hasay would have gotten her B, but she has plenty of time to find optimal conditions.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby 26mi235 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:54 pm

bruce3404 wrote:Weather wasn't all that bad this evening when the races were run. Around 83 degrees, but low humidity (meaning under 60%) and a slight breeze. I've seen a lot worse during NCAA championship meets here. No doubt had it been Eugene weather (60 degrees at 9PM this evening), Hasay would have gotten her B, but she has plenty of time to find optimal conditions.


At 83 degrees, 60% humidity is not that low. at 9:54 it was [temp dew pt RH] 80 65 60%, HIndex 82 and at 7:54 it was 84 65 53%, H Index 86. When I was officiating a pole vault today from 5 to 10pm the Heat Index ranged from 88 to 78 and I was certainly glad I was not running the late-in-the-meet 3200m.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby KevinM » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:30 am

Mighty Favog wrote:Devil's advocate: if we hold the 10k trials in one of the distance-heavy Stanford invitationals in April, then does anyone go for broke for time or is it yet another of those races where everyone looks at each other for 20 laps and then decides to actually race?


This is a fair point, but I would argue that 10,000m trials should be set in a more favorable location not to make the times faster, but to treat the athletes more humanely.
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby gh » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:33 am

It's wunnerful wandering the streets at midnight with an 80-degree breeze wafting down the streets!
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby gh » Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:39 am

facebook post from Jon Drummond

Due to extreme headwinds, USATF will reverse direction of sprints
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby j-a-m » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:40 am

gh wrote:facebook post from Jon Drummond

Due to extreme headwinds, USATF will reverse direction of sprints

Anyone know how they'll run the 200, reverse onto the homestretch, or onto the backstretch as they did in a previous year?
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby j-a-m » Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:41 am

Potential for severe thunderstorms on sunday, according to weather.com
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby az2004 » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:05 am

sounds like they have severe weather there now

decathlon should be a long day
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Re: Des Moines weather

Postby gh » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:07 am

Lightning just hit the stadium minimum 30 minute delay
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