New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]


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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby Marlow » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:13 am

gh wrote:I'm not really thrilled to learn about the 9-throw setup. How long before the "final" was this q-round, and was anybody eliminated? If not, then it becomes a way to simply invent a 9-throw competition, which is unfair to people who normally only have 6, and we'd have to seriously consider not conferring record status. (even if leaving the mark on the all-time list)

Reminds of the way some colleges run their invitationals: they have three sets of field events - unseeded, seeded and invitational. The home team competes in all three, so they have 18 attempts, or 9 jumps at a PR height.
The irony is that if they had had Wruck in two separate DTs, then T&FN would be fine with it. Their crime was to call it one comp.
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby gh » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:26 am

Marlow wrote:...
The irony is that if they had had Wruck in two separate DTs, then T&FN would be fine with it. Their crime was to call it one comp.


we would?
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby Marlow » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:36 am

gh wrote:
Marlow wrote:...
The irony is that if they had had Wruck in two separate DTs, then T&FN would be fine with it. Their crime was to call it one comp.

we would?

I see it all the time - the big throwers go to a wind spot and have an A and B comp, yes?
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:49 am

One thing I seem to see is that throwers are out there just trying to throw and do not get religion on avoiding fouls. Then, when they get in to important competitions there are a number of fouls - if that happens in the initial qualifying round they do not make it to the next round. Same seems to go for some jumpers, but not so systematically.
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby gh » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:46 am

Marlow wrote:
gh wrote:
Marlow wrote:...
The irony is that if they had had Wruck in two separate DTs, then T&FN would be fine with it. Their crime was to call it one comp.

we would?

I see it all the time - the big throwers go to a wind spot and have an A and B comp, yes?


there's a vast difference between being "statistically acceptable" and being record-worthy; that was what we were talking a bout.
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby aaronk » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:02 am

Like I inferred before, it ain't gonna matter one whit once Wruck tosses the platter 225 or so in Eugene!! :)
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby Marlow » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:50 am

gh wrote:there's a vast difference between being "statistically acceptable" and being record-worthy; that was what we were talking a bout.

OK. I'm looking at May 16, 2008 on Maui and seeing Suzy Powell threw 208-11 in Comp I and then 207-7 in Comp II that day. Neither would have been record-worthy?
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby bushop » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:29 pm

Interesting.

USTFCCCA includes Wruck's big marks, but...

--- EXHIBITION ---
The following marks do not count in the all-time collegiate rankings as they were made at a meet that only featured throwing events and due to the fact that throwers were able to take as many as nine throws -- more than the six-throw maximum in collegiate competition. The notes list where each throw would have ranked in collegiate history.


Wruck Named Men’s Finalists for The Bowerman season PDF

*edit: per gh, switched NCAA with USTFCCCA
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby El Toro » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:34 pm

bushop wrote:Interesting.

NCAA includes Wruck's big marks, but...

--- EXHIBITION ---
The following marks do not count in the all-time collegiate rankings as they were made at a meet that only featured throwing events and due to the fact that throwers were able to take as many as nine throws -- more than the six-throw maximum in collegiate competition. The notes list where each throw would have ranked in collegiate history.


Wruck Named Men’s Finalists for The Bowerman season PDF

Bizarre! So they wouldn't list any performances in a track only competition? What about runners doing heats/quarters/semis/final, is that too many opportunities to run fast? And how about those stupid Olympic shot putters getting too many throws in one day? It's not fair! Those big fellas just need to learn their place in the world - down the back of the bus if they get let on at all. :roll:

Yeah, not interested in any responses regarding the arcana of NCAA rules, thank you. This is a throwing rant!
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Re: New Collegiate MDT record (Wruck 68.16m) [223-7]

Postby gh » Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:31 am

the NCAA had nothing to do with that; that was a press release from the USTFCCCA.
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