Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40


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Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby EPelle » Thu May 16, 2013 12:36 pm

Race time: 20.40 PST
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MR: 3.34,66 Mo Farah Nike OTC 2012
Contestants:

Robby Andrews—adidas
Miles Batty—Asics
David Bishop—GBR
Ben Blankenship—Nike/OTC Elite
Jack Bolas—New Balance
Liam Boylan-Pett—NJNYTC
Nathan Brannen—Saucony
Russell Brown—Nike
Matthew Centrowitz—Nike Oregon Project
Daniel Clark—Very Nice Track Club
Peter Corrigan—Running Room Athletic
Ian Cronin—Team Run Eugene
Deriba Degefa—Bowerman AC
Chris Derrick—Nike
Mo Farah—Nike Oregon Project
German Fernandez—Nike
Brian Gagnon—NJNYTC
Christian Gonzalez—NJNYTC
Chris Gowell—Adidas/Rogue AC
Eric Harasyn—Brooks
Garrett Heath—Saucony
Elliott Heath—Nike
Craig Huffer—adidas
Dan Huling—Nike
Evan Jager—Nike
Brett Johnson—unattached
Tony Jordanek—NEO TC Elite
James Kaan—Nike
Will Leer—Nike
Cory Leslie—n/a
Cam Levins—Nike
Lopez Lomong—Nike
Leo Manzano—Austin TC
Jordan McNamara—Nike/OTC Elite
Ryan McNiff—adidas Team Green
Craig Miller—New Balance
Graham Morris—Unattached
Chris O'Hare—Scotland
Charles Philibert-Thiboutot Laval—(Canada)
Duncan Phillips—Austin Track Club
Paul Robinson—Nike
Galen Rupp—Nike Oregon Project
Tommy Schmitz—USA
Jeff See—Saucony
Pablo Solares—Bay Area Track Club
Nick Symmonds—Nike/OTC Elite
David Torrence—Nike
Andrew Wheating—Nike
Joshua Wright—Australia
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby aaronk » Thu May 16, 2013 1:15 pm

The pacer will take them through 800 in 1:52??
That is FAST!!
Could we possibly see someone going sub-3:30?? If not, surely sub-3:32!
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 16, 2013 1:59 pm

Four heats. A little surprising to see Miller and Bolas in the third heat as both have pretty good times and have placed well at Nationals (Miller edged at the end by an in-form but doubling Will Leer). Still who would you displace in heat 2 and maybe it was also a request to be in a heat that will push them at the front.

Only an hour between the 1500 and the 5000!
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby jeremyp » Fri May 17, 2013 8:56 am

Exactly where on Flo Tracks site does one enter the predictions contest??? I can' t seem to find it.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby EPelle » Fri May 17, 2013 9:10 am

gh, on the Oxy 'Going for the "A" thread' wrote:This only serves well to illustrate my column in the magazine earlier in the year abou USaTF's need to concentrate on getting meets going in the May/June window where athletes can get their Q's. From the feature currently posted to our front page on who has A's and B's, here's the list of U.S. men in the 1500.


1500 (A) 3:35.00
Galen Rupp—3:34.78
(B) 3:37.00
Matthew Centrowitz—3:36.65
Lopez Lomong—3:36.52

And this with almost no Americans good enough to make either of the Pre miles, and w/ the New York DL not having a 1500 this year.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby exdrake » Fri May 17, 2013 9:52 am

I had hoped to watch live and would have if they offerred a $4.99-ish one off.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby EPelle » Fri May 17, 2013 11:12 am

2013 USA top-5 list leaders: 3.34,78i Galen Rupp | 3.36,52i Lopez Lomong | 3.36,65i Matthew Centrowitz | 3.38,61i Garrett Heath | 3.38,79 Riley Masters (Ok)

Standards:
A: 3.35,00 | B: 3.37,00
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 17, 2013 7:52 pm

Leer in 3:36/54 is the internet rumor I saw.

Now this:

Symmonds, takes down heat 1 in 3:36.0 out of heat 2

Read more: 2013 Oxy High Performance Meet - info/results - 05/17/13 http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php ... z2TcAcGjjC
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby gktrack » Fri May 17, 2013 8:54 pm

No "A"s out of the bunch though... So Rupp remains the lone A in the US at this time, I believe.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby bobguild76 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:58 pm

What were the splits? I wonder if/why they didn't go for the A standard. If Leer closed with a 54, a better pace could have brought a raft of sub 3:35's.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 17, 2013 9:03 pm

Composite times:
1 Symmonds, Nick Nike 3:36.07
2 Jager, Evan Nike 3:36.34
3 Leer, Will Nike 3:36.67[1]
4 Brown, Russell Nike 3:36.79
5 Levins, Cam Nike 3:36.88
6 Rupp, Galen Nike 3:36.98[1]
7 Wheating, Andrew Nike 3:37.03[1]
8 Manzano, Leo Austin TC 3:37.04[1]
9 Lomong, Lopez Nike 3:37.08[1]
10 Centrowitz, Matthew Nike 3:37.27[1]
11 Heath, Garrett Saucony 3:37.47
12 See, Jeff Saucony 3:37.54
13 Leslie, Cory Unattached 3:37.97[2]
14 Robinson, Paul Nike 3:37.99
15 Kaan, James Nike 3:38.23
16 Torrence, David Nike 3:38.25
17 Boylan-Pett, Liam Njnytc 3:38.26
18 Brannen, Nathan Saucony 3:38.41
19 Bolas, Jack New Balance 3:38.48
20 Bishop, David Great Britain 3:38.72
21 Jordanek, Tony Neo TC Elite 3:38.85
22 Johnson, Brett Unattached 3:38.91
23 Miller, Craig New Balance 3:39.22
24 Phillips, Duncan Austin TC 3:39.24
25 McNamara, Jordan Nike 3:39.25
26 Huling, Dan Nike 3:39.28
27 Gowell, Chris adidas 3:39.29
28 Blankenship, Ben Nike 3:39.39
29 Derrick, Chris Nike 3:39.45
30 Solares, Pablo Bay Area Track Club 3:39.54
31 Harasyn, Eric Brooks 3:39.77
32 Heath, Elliott Nike 3:39.85
33 Gonzalez, Christian Njnytc 3:40.30
34 Morris, Graham Unattached 3:40.41
35 McNiff, Ryan adidas 3:41.52
36 Clark, Daniel Very Nice Tr 3:41.86
37 Batty, Miles Asics 3:41.91
38 Huffer, Craig adidas 3:42.27
39 Schmitz, Tommy Usa 3:42.45
40 Philibert-Thiboutot, Cha Laval (Canada) 3:42.61
41 Corrigan, Peter Running Room 3:43.42
42 Andrews, Robby adidas 3:43.52
43 Degefa, Deriba Bowerman AC 3:43.71
44 Gagnon, Brian Njnytc 3:44.44
45 Fernandez, German Nike 3:53.98
37 under 4-mile equivalent.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby DrJay » Sat May 18, 2013 5:03 am

Fernandez in 3:54, a bummer. Ongoing injury issues?
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby aaronk » Sat May 18, 2013 5:07 am

Will Leer is a card!!
Reminds me very much ( appearance-wise, personality-wise....and time-wise) of Gabe Jennings.

It was hilarious watching FloTrack's coverage.
First they give the gold crown to Leer....and the $2500 giant check.
Then, they take it away from Leer, and hand both to Nick Symmonds!!
Finally, they even speculate they might have to take it away....AGAIN.....from Symmonds......but the last two heats were slower (the 3rd heat not by much!!).

Not to worry, the US will get their share of "A"s......probably in the US DL's....or at the USATF meet itself.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby Master Po » Sat May 18, 2013 12:26 pm

I would think this is a good indicator for Symmonds, as it is nearly equal to his PB (3:36.04), which he ran here last year, and then went on to his best season.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby gh » Sat May 18, 2013 12:28 pm

aaronk wrote:...
Not to worry, the US will get their share of "A"s......probably in the US DL's....or at the USATF meet itself.


They won't at the former because NYC doesn't have a 1500 and Pre is running miles, and very tough proposition at USATF where the first lap is just as likely to be 60 as it is 50.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby bruce3404 » Sat May 18, 2013 4:39 pm

gh wrote:
aaronk wrote:...
Not to worry, the US will get their share of "A"s......probably in the US DL's....or at the USATF meet itself.


They won't at the former because NYC doesn't have a 1500 and Pre is running miles, and very tough proposition at USATF where the first lap is just as likely to be 60 as it is 50.


Impressive first serious outing for Wheating, taking down Olympic finalists Centrowitz and Manzano. TJ has added a 1500 on Friday night in Eugene which might make for a tough decision for runners who might otherwise normally run the Bowerman Mile. Athletes will have until July 29 to chase times, leaving the DL meet in Paris on 7/6 as a good opportunity since the 1500s listed in Oslo and London are really mile distances.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby lovetorun » Sat May 18, 2013 5:00 pm

Impressive race for Cam Levins...3:36.88 PR and competitive in the race. And good to see Russell Brown (3:36.79) over his achilles injury and rounding into form. But I was surprized that David Torrance (3:38.25), Miles Batty (3:41.91) and Robby Andrews (3:43.52) were noticably off form...and, of course German Fernandez at 3:53.98 must reflect his long struggle with injuries. :(
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby bobguild76 » Sat May 18, 2013 5:07 pm

lovetorun wrote:Impressive race for Cam Levins...3:36.88 PR and competitive in the race. And good to see Russell Brown (3:36.79) over his achilles injury and rounding into form. But I was surprized that David Torrance (3:38.25), Miles Batty (3:41.91) and Robby Andrews (3:43.52) were noticably off form...and, of course German Fernandez at 3:53.98 must reflect his long struggle with injuries. :(

Did German Fernandez give any interviews after the race? He is such an impressive person and talent ... I wonder what his thoughts are.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m

Postby 26mi235 » Sat May 18, 2013 5:53 pm

gh wrote:
aaronk wrote:...
Not to worry, the US will get their share of "A"s......probably in the US DL's....or at the USATF meet itself.


They won't at the former because NYC doesn't have a 1500 and Pre is running miles, and very tough proposition at USATF where the first lap is just as likely to be 60 as it is 50.


If they are giving top 10 at World XC an "A" into the 10,000, why don't they anoint all medalists from the last WCs an "A"? Of course, one reason to do that WXC is to help draw good athletes.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby hc10003 » Sat May 18, 2013 5:59 pm

bruce3404 wrote:Athletes will have until July 29 to chase times, leaving the DL meet in Paris on 7/6 as a good opportunity


I recall last year the team after Nationals instantly became the team for Olys - no changes, no chasing marks. Was that just for the Oly year, and this year is back to chasing marks? If so, can you clarify who can chase - is it top three only, or can any finalist get to worlds if they are among top three marks (as in if 1st, 4th, and 9th from USATF get the only "A" marks by July 29, they go to Worlds)? Thx for any clarification anyone can offer.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby bruce3404 » Sat May 18, 2013 7:51 pm

hc10003 wrote:
bruce3404 wrote:Athletes will have until July 29 to chase times, leaving the DL meet in Paris on 7/6 as a good opportunity


I recall last year the team after Nationals instantly became the team for Olys - no changes, no chasing marks. Was that just for the Oly year, and this year is back to chasing marks? If so, can you clarify who can chase - is it top three only, or can any finalist get to worlds if they are among top three marks (as in if 1st, 4th, and 9th from USATF get the only "A" marks by July 29, they go to Worlds)? Thx for any clarification anyone can offer.


From the USATF website:
World Championships Qualifying Standards and Qualifying Windows

10,000m, Race Walk, Relays and Combined Events – Begins January 1, 2012 – July 20, 2013
All other individual track and field events – October 1, 2012 – July 20, 2013. Please remember that when chasing the qualifying mark only athletes in the top 4 may chase.

I disagree with the USATF stance on only allowing top 4 finishers in Des Moines to chase standards. In events that are decided by thousandths of seconds or meters, it seems unfair that, for example, someone runs 6th in 3:36.73 and doesn't have a chance to chase while the guys who finishes 4th in 3:36.69 does. If the top two runners have the A standard and the fifth and sixth runners later acquire the A, we only send two runners if the 3rd and 4th place finishers fail to achieve an A. That's just wrong. Don't we want to send as many potential medalists as possible? I'm assuming that if two A's qualify, only the A's go to Moscow.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby 26mi235 » Sat May 18, 2013 8:35 pm

As I understand it, you are incorrect (the WCs have different rules than the OGs because different groups with different objectives write the rules. If the top two have As and the next one has a B, the B goes. It is the second B that does not go, but can chase marks. Also, an athlete that gets an A when there are two As and a B in the top 3 will not displace that B. [Also note, I think that the second B cannot end up being the alternate.]

What it does have is that if that athlete does not have the B, then chasing can get them the B. The athletes know the rules and know that they have to get in the top 4 to have a chance in this type of situation. And, it will not likely result in athletes going when no one else will lose a spot. It also limits those that they have to start processing since most going or possibly going will be identified.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby rsb2 » Sat May 18, 2013 8:39 pm

Athletes, still without standards after Nationals, might consider the final 3 meets of the National Track League in Canada. Edmonton - June 29th, Harry Jerome/ Burnaby - July 1st, and Victoria - July 5th, will all offer excellent competition in selected events.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby Dave » Sat May 18, 2013 9:01 pm

rsb2 wrote:Athletes, still without standards after Nationals, might consider the final 3 meets of the National Track League in Canada. Edmonton - June 29th, Harry Jerome/ Burnaby - July 1st, and Victoria - July 5th, will all offer excellent competition in selected events.


USatf is allowing people to chase marks after nationals?
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby bruce3404 » Sat May 18, 2013 9:05 pm

Dave wrote:USatf is allowing people to chase marks after nationals?


See above. That's what it says on their website.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby bruce3404 » Sat May 18, 2013 9:09 pm

26mi235 wrote:As I understand it, you are incorrect (the WCs have different rules than the OGs because different groups with different objectives write the rules. If the top two have As and the next one has a B, the B goes. It is the second B that does not go, but can chase marks. Also, an athlete that gets an A when there are two As and a B in the top 3 will not displace that B. [Also note, I think that the second B cannot end up being the alternate.]


I'm OK with that scenario and it lends more credence to the nationals; my original thought was that the B wouldn't get to go and we'd only take two guys (which could ultimately happen if the 3rd and 4th place finishers aren't able to make B standards; but if they can't make B's, they're not medal threats anyways). Thanks for clarifying.
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Re: Oxy (2013) m-1.500m: 32 under 3.40

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 19, 2013 10:38 am

The subtle but important differences between the Olympic and the World's qualifying rules are more easily understood when you remember that the Olympics have expanded in to many new 'popular' sports and thus have too many competitors. Thus, they make it harder to qualify 'secondary' athletes ("B"s) for big countries while still making it feasible for smaller countries (by quality of athletics) to get athletes in.

By contrast, the WCs is not overwhelmed and will take the AAB.
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