¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL


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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby ATK » Sat May 11, 2013 6:41 pm

JumboElliott wrote:
mump boy wrote:She's always jumped far but she's completely inconsistent

I can't find the full results but i heard the same was true yesterday !!

The last time she lost an international competition was Beijing.

You mean a major.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby uakari » Sat May 11, 2013 7:06 pm

it's scary to think how much she could jump (7.5m +) if she'd learn proper technique?
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby gktrack » Sat May 11, 2013 7:16 pm

Wonder what impact her recent move to the Oly Training Center in San Diego has on her training/technique...
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby Marlow » Sat May 11, 2013 7:22 pm

uakari wrote:it's scary to think how much she could jump (7.5m +) if she'd learn proper technique?

Facts not in evidence. Her technique now (that she has learned to extend her feet in front of her) is much closer to peak efficiency. Plus, as was pointed out to me in the USATF Level II coaching course, we don't know if fixing the landing could somehow have some detriment to her superb take-off mechanics. I'm not sure how that's relevant, but that's what they say. Something to do with torso angle at takeoff and compensating for forward angular momentum . . . :shock:
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby gktrack » Sat May 11, 2013 7:41 pm

lonewolf wrote:She has improved her landing and it is starting to show.
Just an observation and opinion.

She says: "I’ve always been doing the hang. It’s when you just curl your legs up [in the air]. But now when I do the hang, I try to make sure I bring my legs through, like a sweeping motion. When I first started long jump, I landed basically standing up. Now I’m actually swinging my hands past my body to help me gain those extra inches."
http://www.teamusa.org/News/2013/February/16/Never-Too-Soon-To-Think-About-Rio-Reese-Jumping-At-Millrose-Games.aspx
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby Luchem » Mon May 13, 2013 7:13 am

ATK wrote:Also is there video of her jump?


Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3yb8ryjtpc
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby mump boy » Mon May 13, 2013 7:58 am

It may be an improvenment but it's still atrocious !!

Imagine if she actually had a leg shoot :shock:
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby Gabriella » Mon May 13, 2013 8:12 am

mump boy wrote:It may be an improvenment but it's still atrocious !!

Imagine if she actually had a leg shoot :shock:


She's just like Marion Jones; high trajectory but stiff and a poor leg shoot. But, as with Jones, I would stick with the technique she knows. When Jones tried to improve technically her distances went backwards. I suspect because it didn't feel natural to her, but then again she was primarily a sprinter. At least Reese can focus totally on her event. Reese also looks lighter than Jones.

The LJ could be a great competition in Moscow. Sokolova's performance here in Doha was also good considering the Europeans and Russians in particular don't tend to start so early and so strong. Perhaps we'll see all 3 medalists over 7m? Hell, we may even find 7.00 isn't enough to medal! Now that would be super.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 13, 2013 9:29 am

Gabriella wrote: Perhaps we'll see all 3 medalists over 7m? Hell, we may even find 7.00 isn't enough to medal! Now that would be super.


I think that you may be right; there are a number of candidates for 7-meter jumps.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby marknhj » Mon May 13, 2013 10:53 am

Her leg shoot is not that bad on this jump, angles are deceiving. Reese is already one of the greats in my opinion (based on my ignoring the performance list above her, which is almost entirely bogus).
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby mump boy » Mon May 13, 2013 12:03 pm

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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby marknhj » Mon May 13, 2013 12:23 pm



I suggest you take a look at a screen shot of her landing on this jump. Of course she's not the best technician, and she lands standing up on occasion, but I suspect she'll get more return by improving her run-up and take-off phase. But she's an absolute natural (aka stating the bleedin' obvious), and sometimes absolute naturals just do what they're going to do.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby mump boy » Mon May 13, 2013 12:29 pm

Of course but it's frustrating when someone with so much talent makes do with bad technique

We could have a WR holder on our hands with a JJK/Heike/Fiona type proficiency.

Nobody corrected it earlier because she was winning and it's probably too late now to expect any major improvements because she's still winning :(

I actually want her to be consistently beaten so she will be forced to do something about it
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby Marlow » Mon May 13, 2013 12:58 pm

As I said in an earlier post, her 'lack of leg extension' is somewhat due to a vastly superior penultimate step and a high, powerful take-off. The checking of forward momentum has to be paid for somewhere and BR does it so well at takeoff, it's very hard to get her torso forward enough to bring the legs up fully. The hip angle is set at takeoff and hers is optimized for a high fast trajectory. All things being equal, I'd much rather have her great take-off and 'mediocre' landing than a superb landing with less power and angle at take-off. It's really hard to have your cake and eat it too, though Heike Dreschler managed it. Mike Powell was a hot mess at times, but boy could he take off! Carl Lewis was a line drive compared to him (though a pretty fast one! :wink: )
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby Per Andersen » Mon May 13, 2013 2:28 pm

I think she's fine now. Her hang technique has improved, she better balanced in mid-air. Her landing technique has improved substantially.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby Flumpy » Mon May 13, 2013 2:37 pm

gh wrote:
Methinks she's doing somehing a little bit right.


Undoubtedly but she could be doing it so much better, which is why I find her so frustrating.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby gm » Mon May 13, 2013 2:50 pm

Flumpy wrote:
gh wrote:
Methinks she's doing somehing a little bit right.


Undoubtedly but she could be doing it so much better...


Sorry, but you just don't know that to be true. The landing portion of a LJ is probably the last thing to worry about, as my good friend Marlow outlined earlier.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby Pego » Mon May 13, 2013 2:57 pm

gm wrote:
Flumpy wrote:
gh wrote:
Methinks she's doing somehing a little bit right.


Undoubtedly but she could be doing it so much better...


Sorry, but you just don't know that to be true. The landing portion of a LJ is probably the last thing to worry about, as my good friend Marlow outlined earlier.


When a woman jumps 725, she must be doing a lot of things right.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby mump boy » Mon May 13, 2013 3:25 pm

Pego wrote:
gm wrote:
Flumpy wrote:
gh wrote:
Methinks she's doing somehing a little bit right.


Undoubtedly but she could be doing it so much better...


Sorry, but you just don't know that to be true. The landing portion of a LJ is probably the last thing to worry about, as my good friend Marlow outlined earlier.


When a woman jumps 725, she must be doing a lot of things right.


Or be outrageously talented.
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Re: ¶Doha DL: wLJ—Reese 23-9½ (7.25) WL

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 13, 2013 6:27 pm

mump boy wrote:Of course but it's frustrating when someone with so much talent makes do with bad technique

We could have a WR holder on our hands with a JJK/Heike/Fiona type proficiency.

Nobody corrected it earlier because she was winning and it's probably too late now to expect any major improvements because she's still winning :(

I actually want her to be consistently beaten so she will be forced to do something about it


Go read the post by lonewolf. if you do not understand why this jump by Reese is pretty efficient go read that post until you understand it. He has pointed out that many jumpers with the position shown in your picture end up falling back and losing more distance than if their legs were under them.

By the way, if you think that you know more about this than lonewolf I won't bother reading any of your posts about track and field technique.
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