Cayman Invitational, May 8th


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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby theeld » Thu May 09, 2013 7:25 am

The question I have is how could the announcer proclaim Bolt the winner immediately after the finish in a dead heat, especially as he never held the lead for the entire race? Almost as if the commentary was added over the top of recorded video (like NBC does occasionally).

And who is the producer picking those terrible camera shots in both the mens and womens 100m??? Cutting to the side shot only a moment before hitting the tape???
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby bignate88 » Thu May 09, 2013 7:45 am

JumboElliott wrote:How about the big PR for Barbara Pierre?

Looks like there's going to be some competition for the US women's 100m team this year.

Yeah that caught my eye as well. It seems like she transitioning well from her indoor season. She's better known as an indoor specialist. Hope she'll improve as the season progresses
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Speedster » Thu May 09, 2013 8:35 am

jamboy wrote:Tiana Madison wins in 23.30


While she won and its a meet record, I would have hoped for faster from Bartoletta, particularly seeing Fraser-Pryce ran a second faster in Jamaica and Jeter went 10.95 here.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby jamboy » Thu May 09, 2013 8:54 am

Speedster wrote:
jamboy wrote:Tiana Madison wins in 23.30


While she won and its a meet record, I would have hoped for faster from Bartoletta, particularly seeing Fraser-Pryce ran a second faster in Jamaica and Jeter went 10.95 here.


She is not known as a 200m runner.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby GDAWG » Thu May 09, 2013 9:23 am

Tiffany Williams in 55.04. Williams seems motivated after the Olympic trials.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby toyracer » Thu May 09, 2013 9:31 am

tm71 wrote:From the camera angle it seemed that Bailey-Cole eased at the end which allowed Bolt to win.///

totally agree with that statement. bailey-cole was leading by a meter with 10 meters to go then leaned backwards at the finish line. of course these races dont count much, the trials and worlds do this year. i dont think bolt will be running 10.1 in the summer, but i don't see him improving by 0.5 either.


Photo of the finish:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... f6157c46b8

I had the same impression : that Bailey-Cole was leading with 15m-10m to go then easing.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby DecFan » Thu May 09, 2013 10:07 am

Thanks for the photo link, toyracer. Neither of the top two had any lean. Had Bailey-Cole leaned like his third place namesake, he would have won.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby ZELLGADISS » Thu May 09, 2013 11:18 am

I see in photo finish Bolt winning.
By very few but yes, 0.006 exactly like we saw in results.
The cameras tv were really horrible :roll:
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby JumboElliott » Thu May 09, 2013 12:08 pm

toyracer wrote:
tm71 wrote:From the camera angle it seemed that Bailey-Cole eased at the end which allowed Bolt to win.///

totally agree with that statement. bailey-cole was leading by a meter with 10 meters to go then leaned backwards at the finish line. of course these races dont count much, the trials and worlds do this year. i dont think bolt will be running 10.1 in the summer, but i don't see him improving by 0.5 either.


Photo of the finish:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... f6157c46b8

I had the same impression : that Bailey-Cole was leading with 15m-10m to go then easing.

Look at the position of his torso. Either he has really shitty posture or he wasn't trying to win.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Thu May 09, 2013 1:31 pm

Bolt ran just hard enough to win (coming off an injury) letting up the last 10m (dropping arms).
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 09, 2013 2:28 pm

Bruce Kritzler wrote:Bolt ran just hard enough to win (coming off an injury) letting up the last 10m (dropping arms).


Not really; he had nothing to do with his teammate leaning or not at the finish and would have lost the race with a normal finish by his teammate. He was not calibrating how hard he had to run to win; he just barely got over that modest hurdle.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby ExCoastRanger » Thu May 09, 2013 2:31 pm

Now I'm getting confused.
For the Jam Invite, Bolt wasn't really injured (but he wasn't ducking), but he claimed to be as an excuse to pull out of the meet due to some bad feelings between his coach and the meet organizer. I think a couple of posters were pretty certain of this.

Now he runs a sub-par (for Bolt) race a week later and the explanation is the "injury" has become real and he was really just holding back in the race to be careful with the hamstring?

Or is the Cayman race just the final act of a drawn-out skit that started with the fake injury and has played over into this race, in which our hero is nearly vanquished but somehow right at the end manages to pull out the win with the help of his supporting actor/teammate who let Bolt win at the very last instant?
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Marlow » Thu May 09, 2013 2:44 pm

Bruce Kritzler wrote:Bolt ran just hard enough to win (coming off an injury) letting up the last 10m (dropping arms).

Something he picked up from Asafa? No one has ever explained to me how you can run a hard 90, but 100 is too much to ask . . . injury, no injury, whatever. If a HS kid did that, he'd be looking for a new sport.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby odelltrclan » Thu May 09, 2013 3:09 pm

Marlow wrote:
Bruce Kritzler wrote:Bolt ran just hard enough to win (coming off an injury) letting up the last 10m (dropping arms).

Something he picked up from Asafa? No one has ever explained to me how you can run a hard 90, but 100 is too much to ask . . . injury, no injury, whatever. If a HS kid did that, he'd be looking for a new sport.


At the top level it speaks to showmanship. I think they are basically saying "Look at me, I don't even have to run hard all the way to beat your sorry ass!" Isn't it reflective of our culture? The NFL guy spiking the ball while staring you in the face, or the NBA player getting a slam dunk and posturing afterwards? This is the track sprinter version. The miler version was Steve Ovett moving out in the lanes and waving to the crowd on the home stretch!
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 09, 2013 3:13 pm

odelltrclan wrote:At the top level it speaks to showmanship. I think they are basically saying "Look at me, I don't even have to run hard all the way to beat your sorry ass!" Isn't it reflective of our culture?


But that is not the story of the race; Bolt was trying to play catch up and he would have failed if his opponent did the merest of dips at the line. It had nothing to do with Bolt running just hard enough to win. He essentially was losing except for a rookie mistake (or worse, the acquiescence of a training partner, but I doubt that).
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby jamboy » Thu May 09, 2013 3:17 pm

ExCoastRanger wrote:Now I'm getting confused.
For the Jam Invite, Bolt wasn't really injured (but he wasn't ducking), but he claimed to be as an excuse to pull out of the meet due to some bad feelings between his coach and the meet organizer. I think a couple of posters were pretty certain of this.

Now he runs a sub-par (for Bolt) race a week later and the explanation is the "injury" has become real and he was really just holding back in the race to be careful with the hamstring?

Or is the Cayman race just the final act of a drawn-out skit that started with the fake injury and has played over into this race, in which our hero is nearly vanquished but somehow right at the end manages to pull out the win with the help of his supporting actor/teammate who let Bolt win at the very last instant?


All that sounds about right ;)
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby tm71 » Thu May 09, 2013 8:37 pm

Thanks for the photo link, toyracer. Neither of the top two had any lean. Had Bailey-Cole leaned like his third place namesake, he would have won.DecFan

i think bailey-cole finished like asafa powell in that race !
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby toyracer » Mon May 20, 2013 7:33 am

DecFan wrote:Thanks for the photo link, toyracer. Neither of the top two had any lean. Had Bailey-Cole leaned like his third place namesake, he would have won.


And now Bailey-Cole has said it himself: "I watched the race over and over and realised that if I had leaned at finishing and not slowed down close to the line, I would have won"

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2013 ... orts3.html
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby lionelp1 » Mon May 20, 2013 7:53 am

toyracer wrote:
DecFan wrote:Thanks for the photo link, toyracer. Neither of the top two had any lean. Had Bailey-Cole leaned like his third place namesake, he would have won.


And now Bailey-Cole has said it himself: "I watched the race over and over and realised that if I had leaned at finishing and not slowed down close to the line, I would have won"

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2013 ... orts3.html


I would have won if... truly, the most pointless of remarks. If someone last August had run 9.61 he would have beaten UB.Didnt happen.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 20, 2013 8:54 am

lionelp1 wrote:
toyracer wrote:
DecFan wrote:Thanks for the photo link, toyracer. Neither of the top two had any lean. Had Bailey-Cole leaned like his third place namesake, he would have won.


And now Bailey-Cole has said it himself: "I watched the race over and over and realised that if I had leaned at finishing and not slowed down close to the line, I would have won"

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/2013 ... orts3.html


I would have won if... truly, the most pointless of remarks. If someone last August had run 9.61 he would have beaten UB.Didnt happen.


You have it completely wrong; a 9.61 was not something within his grasp at the moment (or any other time) but leaning was eminently reasonable (and expected, just not done).
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