Cayman Invitational, May 8th


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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby ptn » Wed May 08, 2013 6:27 pm

He was holding right hamstring after finish.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby jamboy » Wed May 08, 2013 6:28 pm

ptn wrote:He was holding hamstring after finish.


Trust me. He was faking it. Nothing is wrong with Bolt.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby JumboElliott » Wed May 08, 2013 6:33 pm

bignate88 wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Man it's a shame that guy got hurt.

Yeah, he'll be fine. It's still real early. He's healthy. That's all that matters

Just clearing things up. I was talking about Merritt.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby bignate88 » Wed May 08, 2013 6:37 pm

JumboElliott wrote:
bignate88 wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Man it's a shame that guy got hurt.

Yeah, he'll be fine. It's still real early. He's healthy. That's all that matters

Just clearing things up. I was talking about Merritt.

Oh, my bad bro
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby jamboy » Wed May 08, 2013 6:37 pm

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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby 18.99s » Wed May 08, 2013 6:48 pm

Bolt 10.09? Isn't that his slowest ever 100m as a professional? (other than heats/semi-finals)
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby jamboy » Wed May 08, 2013 6:50 pm

18.99s wrote:Bolt 10.09? Isn't that his slowest ever 100m as a professional? (other than heats/semi-finals)


He was injured. Don't you remember? He had to "save face" and not run too hard.

Don't worry, he is fine however.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby jamboy » Wed May 08, 2013 6:51 pm

Womens 100m. Glad to see Jeter back. I want to her to challenge Fraser in Moscow come August.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjizQbY ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Dave » Wed May 08, 2013 6:53 pm

jamboy wrote:
Dave wrote:
jamboy wrote:Bolts almost loses in 10.09


Talk about a weak start to the season. Perhaps he is hurt.


No he is not. Just "saving face" for his supposed injury. Its all game playing.


Having just watched Gay's run, Bolt may want to be careful.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Weights&Shoes » Wed May 08, 2013 6:56 pm

jamboy wrote:Womens 100m. Glad to see Jeter back. I want to her to challenge Fraser in Moscow come August.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fjizQbY ... e=youtu.be


:lol: at how that was worded, the nerve.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Bob Duncan » Wed May 08, 2013 7:01 pm

ptn wrote:https://twitter.com/trackalerts

http://www.linkupvideos.com/2013-cayman ... a269a.html

You can go to http://www.linkupvideos.com/ and they claim that they will carry all of the Diamond League meets. I take that with a grain of salt and would much prefer Universal Sports if I could get it.

You have to really watch out with some of these "free" streams, as you usually get what you pay for. What I saw tonight of the Cayman meet was poor quality (still, better than nothing) but some of these "free" sites will install adware and/or malware on your computer.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Weights&Shoes » Wed May 08, 2013 7:09 pm

In past years CBCSports.ca have streamed every Diamond League meet/World Championships live. Great stream quality etc, so far their schedule has nothing up. But I'd be shocked if they stopped showing them this year.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby starboyunlimited » Wed May 08, 2013 7:18 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcU6ShxVXt8
Stats from Letsrun.com "Since becoming a 100 meter man in 2008, Bolt has opened up at 100m in the following times (moving backwards 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009): 9.82, 9.91, 9.86, and 9.93."
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby toyracer » Wed May 08, 2013 8:01 pm

From the camera angle it seemed that Bailey-Cole eased at the end which allowed Bolt to win.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby ATK » Wed May 08, 2013 8:09 pm

toyracer wrote:From the camera angle

Yea... about that...
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Weights&Shoes » Wed May 08, 2013 8:20 pm

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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby odelltrclan » Wed May 08, 2013 8:25 pm

ATK wrote:
toyracer wrote:From the camera angle

Yea... about that...


Bolt won the race. Barely, but he won. I checked it out several times frame by frame.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby ATK » Wed May 08, 2013 8:33 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
ATK wrote:
toyracer wrote:From the camera angle

Yea... about that...


Bolt won the race. Barely, but he won. I checked it out several times frame by frame.

I don't deny that he won, but I can assure you there is no way you can distinguish a 10.09 from a 10.09 with your naked eye, even worse watching a video, even worse with a skewed camera angle....
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby JumboElliott » Wed May 08, 2013 8:33 pm

How about the big PR for Barbara Pierre?

Looks like there's going to be some competition for the US women's 100m team this year.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby JumboElliott » Wed May 08, 2013 8:37 pm

toyracer wrote:From the camera angle it seemed that Bailey-Cole eased at the end which allowed Bolt to win.

I hope to god he didn't do that. Hopefully it was just the (awful) camera angle.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby lionelp1 » Wed May 08, 2013 8:41 pm

So if Bolt had not won and if his time had been 10.20, so what on May 8th, after an injury.

How can anybody, other than the mildly hysterical, start predicting three months hence.
The endless posts about how fit Bolt is/whether Gay will win in Moscow/how fit Bolt is or is not/ etc etc which will follow now and for the remainder of the season till Moscow are inevitable. :(
My own view is that Bolt used the race as a tentative return from injury and no more. When you have 6 Olympic Golds and 5 WC Golds you dont worry too much about an inconsequential race in early May.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby lonewolf » Wed May 08, 2013 8:56 pm

There is no way you can determine who won that race from the link shown. Since they were both timed in 10.09, I declare it a tie.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby 26mi235 » Wed May 08, 2013 9:14 pm

Well, AF has more golds and more total medals, although fewer individual medals, and a cross a broader range (100 to 400). Yet she is not given the same treatment and assumed dominance as Bolt.

Bolt is lucky that there were no strong runners in this race or he not only would have his worst 100, but a loss to start his season. If you do not think that is important then you were not paying too much attention to the case strongly put forward that Bolt's FS/DQ is not a "loss", so that his record can remain almost clean.

I suspect that if you go to the betting sites you will find that the old on him have become not so extremely high and on Gay have gone up a bit.

Of course, we are trying to make what we can with the data that we have, an this is a "Bayesian" analysis, so that new information adjusts our priors some, but there is still very little new information. [Note that information that is very different than expected has more effect on expectations once the validity of the information is verified. Here, in a low-key race, we do not know everything and so I assume that this is not as much 'information' here as the headline numbers might indicate to some.]
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby MDelano » Wed May 08, 2013 10:34 pm

starboyunlimited wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcU6ShxVXt8
Stats from Letsrun.com "Since becoming a 100 meter man in 2008, Bolt has opened up at 100m in the following times (moving backwards 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009): 9.82, 9.91, 9.86, and 9.93."


I'm fairly certain his 100m split during the 150 he ran in 14.42 in March this year was sub-10.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby tm71 » Wed May 08, 2013 10:52 pm

From the camera angle it seemed that Bailey-Cole eased at the end which allowed Bolt to win.///

totally agree with that statement. bailey-cole was leading by a meter with 10 meters to go then leaned backwards at the finish line. of course these races dont count much, the trials and worlds do this year. i dont think bolt will be running 10.1 in the summer, but i don't see him improving by 0.5 either.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby zidan » Wed May 08, 2013 11:30 pm

Neither did i entering London, after 9.86 at the Jam Trials. Point is, am not saying he cant/wont lose come Moscow, but he has shown us enough that apart from occupping our time with posts on various sites, there is realy nothing Impossible for him to do in the sprints.. Just saying...
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby ZELLGADISS » Wed May 08, 2013 11:32 pm

It is very sure that Bolt was injuried last week, when someone told stupid things like that he was "ducking" :evil:

Now he was better and enough healthy for to run a 100, but of course not enough for to run top level.
Never he ran very strong in this race and he only would to run his first 100m, to see feelings in the track ,not to be injuried after the race and to win.
Well he got it i think....

In Rome we will see better his shape :wink:
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby olorin » Thu May 09, 2013 12:03 am

JumboElliott wrote:How about the big PR for Barbara Pierre?

Looks like there's going to be some competition for the US women's 100m team this year.

So far this is a very good year for American women. Below are the number of sub 11, sub 11.1 and sub 11.2 in the last ten years:
2013..1, 6, 14
2012..4,7,16
2011..2, 8, 18
2010..4, 5, 12
2009..1, 6, 16
2008..7, 15, 21
2007..3, 10, 18
2006..0, 7, 14
2005..1, 5, 7
2004..2, 5, 10
With the NCAA and the American trials still to come I think that we are likely to see the deepest year since 2004.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby aaronk » Thu May 09, 2013 12:22 am

lonewolf wrote:There is no way you can determine who won that race from the link shown. Since they were both timed in 10.09, I declare it a tie.


Should they do a run-off....,
or a coin toss?? :P
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby lionelp1 » Thu May 09, 2013 1:30 am

26mi235 wrote:Well, AF has more golds and more total medals, although fewer individual medals, and a cross a broader range (100 to 400). Yet she is not given the same treatment and assumed dominance as Bolt.

Bolt is lucky that there were no strong runners in this race or he not only would have his worst 100, but a loss to start his season. If you do not think that is important then you were not paying too much attention to the case strongly put forward that Bolt's FS/DQ is not a "loss", so that his record can remain almost clean.

I suspect that if you go to the betting sites you will find that the old on him have become not so extremely high and on Gay have gone up a bit.

Of course, we are trying to make what we can with the data that we have, an this is a "Bayesian" analysis, so that new information adjusts our priors some, but there is still very little new information. [Note that information that is very different than expected has more effect on expectations once the validity of the information is verified. Here, in a low-key race, we do not know everything and so I assume that this is not as much 'information' here as the headline numbers might indicate to some.]


Is that meant to be a response to my post?? some guff about how many medals someone else has, the betting sites who won't be sprinting in Moscow and Bayesian analysis??? :lol: :lol: Wow

New information adjusts our priors? How portentous ???; the season has just got going; as a Brit once said; some people are too clever by half!!, 26 miles.
Bolt was not lucky and he did not lose sleep over this race, so calm down, posters.

Last year we heard all the same stuff about Gatlin/Bolt and then look what happened??
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby shivfan » Thu May 09, 2013 1:31 am

Awful camera angle...I couldn't tell anything of substance from it.

I guess I'll just have to wait for Bolt's next appearance....
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Marlow » Thu May 09, 2013 3:31 am

Fun race to watch but worthless in projecting where Bolt will be in August. Three months is more than enough time to 'get in shape', 'heal an injury', or 'fall apart'. Bet against Bolt at your extreme peril. That said, I really like where TG is and where he's heading! :wink: Add in Gatlin, Blake and maybe (USA) Bailey and we got ourselves a ball game!
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 09, 2013 4:47 am

lionelp1 wrote:Is that meant to be a response to my post?? some guff about how many medals someone else has, the betting sites who won't be sprinting in Moscow and Bayesian analysis??? :lol: :lol: Wow

New information adjusts our priors? How portentous ???; the season has just got going; as a Brit once said; some people are too clever by half!!, 26 miles.
Bolt was not lucky and he did not lose sleep over this race, so calm down, posters.

Last year we heard all the same stuff about Gatlin/Bolt and then look what happened??

1 You used Bolt's medals as evidence of he will have no problem
2 betting sites provide are 'experts' without a 'point of view' bias; go see if they reduced their assessment of Bolt's likelihood of winning.
3 don't know much statistics?
4 Bolt was 'unlucky''?
5 I am not agitated in the least, but why would you know if Bolt is not losing sleep over this?
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usain pedestrian 100m

Postby blinger » Thu May 09, 2013 6:45 am

you doubters never learn do you jamboy the main person bolt is bolt he can run a 10.0 this week and next week a 9.7 how many times have he done this just do your home work.you don't seem to see what bolt and his coach is up to,just watch and learn tyson can take all the hype right now you will soon hear unleash the beast and boom all the betting sites get confused.and for your wish jam boy for jetter to beat fraiser pryce you are going to be disappointed do you see the form she is in it seems like you are sleeping watch her friday.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby gh » Thu May 09, 2013 7:03 am

lionelp1 wrote:....
Last year we heard all the same stuff about Gatlin/Bolt and then look what happened??


When and where did anybody seriously suggest Gatlin was going to beat Bolt?

Gatlin's seasonal debut was a 9.87 in Doha, at which point Bolt was already the world leader in 9.82.

Here's the subsequent Doha thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46656&hilit=Doha
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby theeld » Thu May 09, 2013 7:25 am

The question I have is how could the announcer proclaim Bolt the winner immediately after the finish in a dead heat, especially as he never held the lead for the entire race? Almost as if the commentary was added over the top of recorded video (like NBC does occasionally).

And who is the producer picking those terrible camera shots in both the mens and womens 100m??? Cutting to the side shot only a moment before hitting the tape???
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby bignate88 » Thu May 09, 2013 7:45 am

JumboElliott wrote:How about the big PR for Barbara Pierre?

Looks like there's going to be some competition for the US women's 100m team this year.

Yeah that caught my eye as well. It seems like she transitioning well from her indoor season. She's better known as an indoor specialist. Hope she'll improve as the season progresses
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby Speedster » Thu May 09, 2013 8:35 am

jamboy wrote:Tiana Madison wins in 23.30


While she won and its a meet record, I would have hoped for faster from Bartoletta, particularly seeing Fraser-Pryce ran a second faster in Jamaica and Jeter went 10.95 here.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby jamboy » Thu May 09, 2013 8:54 am

Speedster wrote:
jamboy wrote:Tiana Madison wins in 23.30


While she won and its a meet record, I would have hoped for faster from Bartoletta, particularly seeing Fraser-Pryce ran a second faster in Jamaica and Jeter went 10.95 here.


She is not known as a 200m runner.
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Re: Cayman Invitational, May 8th

Postby GDAWG » Thu May 09, 2013 9:23 am

Tiffany Williams in 55.04. Williams seems motivated after the Olympic trials.
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