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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby AS » Wed May 01, 2013 3:38 pm

norunner wrote:Just read that Kiryu will be running against Mike Rodgers in Tokyo this sunday. That should be interesting.


Full 100m field for Tokyo
RODGERS, Mike PR 9.85
ATKINS, Derrick PR 9.91
Mookie SALAAM PR 9.97
Yoshihide Kiryu PR 10.01
ROGERS, Jason PR 10.06
MAGAKWE, Simon PR 10.06
Masashi Eriguchi PR 10.07
KIMURA,Shintaro PR 10.26

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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby TeWaio » Thu May 02, 2013 1:53 am

Seems like the perfect race for the young man to be in following his PR. Would love him to live up to hype and go sub-10, would be great for the sport in that part of the world!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Thu May 02, 2013 4:55 am

TeWaio wrote:Seems like the perfect race for the young man to be in following his PR. Would love him to live up to hype and go sub-10, would be great for the sport in that part of the world!


Im waiting for the hype, so far we only have a 17 year old with a 10.01 PR . :)
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 02, 2013 5:13 am

10.01/0.9 ~ 9.95/2.0 (wind-legal) ~ 9.99/1.3 he is not a sub-10 yet because he did not have good enough, yet legal wind. And, it was barely his best of the meet. The question is: is he more likely to go 9.8x this season than to fail to go sub-10?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby Jacksf » Sat May 04, 2013 11:36 pm

Kiryu follows up with a disappointing 10.40 (-1.2w) for 3rd place today in Tokyo.
Mike Rogers wins in 10.19
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby AS » Sat May 04, 2013 11:54 pm

Slow race for all involved today in Tokyo:

(-1.2)
RODGERS,Mike 10.19
ATKINS,Derrick 10.24
KIRYU,Yoshihide 10.40
SALAAM,Mookie 10.43

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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:20 am

A couple of interesting things in that link.

Corey Leslie ran a 8:20 3000SC, less than 5 seconds arrears of BIRECH, Jairus Kipchoge 8:15.26 NMR

There was a heck of a close finish in the 200 and some-time board poster Connaughton won the race!! :!: [Congrats, Jared!]

1 CONNAUGHTON, Jared CAN 20.70
2 TAKAHIRA,Shinji 富士通 20.84
3 TAKASE,Kei 富士通 20.87
3 ATKINS,Derrick BAH 20.87
5 SAITO,Hitoshi JUVY-TC 20.88
6 MITCHELL,Manteo USA 20.97
7 HARRIS,Tremaine CAN 20.99
IIZUKA,Shota 中央大 DNS

Bershawn Jackson wins in 49.11 but Plawgo is 7th in 50.98

Y=The 800 had some good (top 3, including Mulder in 1:47.22, a SB?) and mediocre (Prince Mumba in 1:49) results:

1 CHEMUT,Anthony KEN 1:46.51 NMR
2 BIWOTT,Robert KEN 1:46.98
3 MULDER,Tyler USA 1:47.22
4 WARBURTON,Gareth GBR 1:48.11
5 KAWAMOTO,Sho 日本大 1:48.53
6 KUCHINO,Takeshi 富士通 1:48.98
7 MUMBA,Prince ZAM 1:49.27

Finally, there was pretty miserable vaulting, which might mean the conditions were not very good at this meet.

1 YAMAMOTO,Seito 5m50
2 FILIPPOV, Nikita KAZ 5m40
3 OGITA, Hiroki 5m30
4 HOLLIS, Mark USA 5m00
WALLACE, Tyler, SCOTT, Jordan SCOTT, USA and SAWANO,Daichi No Mark
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Sun May 05, 2013 6:44 am

Jacksf wrote:Kiryu follows up with a disappointing 10.40 (-1.2w) for 3rd place today in Tokyo.
Mike Rogers wins in 10.19


How can you call a time disappointing when the conditions were obviously a major hindrance?

Look at it in this positive light: Mike Rodgers has a PR of 9.85. Kiryu finished 0.21 behind him, so if it were PR-type weather, Kiryu is at 10.06.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Sun May 05, 2013 8:12 am

gh wrote:
Jacksf wrote:Kiryu follows up with a disappointing 10.40 (-1.2w) for 3rd place today in Tokyo.
Mike Rogers wins in 10.19


How can you call a time disappointing when the conditions were obviously a major hindrance?

Look at it in this positive light: Mike Rodgers has a PR of 9.85. Kiryu finished 0.21 behind him, so if it were PR-type weather, Kiryu is at 10.06.


The choice of Mike Rodgers for this meet was a good one. A similar sized frame as Kiryu and somewhat of a 100m specialist.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 8:33 am

I would not be surprised if the last several hundredths were lost because of either giving up or not handling the pressure and disappointment. It would likely hit a young guy without too much experience on the biggest stage he has ever seen harder than most.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby sprintdoc » Sun May 05, 2013 12:06 pm

gh I agree this should not be called a major disapointment however to say he was just .21 off Rodgers and thus Mike's PR is 9.85 is a little misleading. Rodgers had arrived barely a day in advance after a 16 hour flight and was no where near his best and shared that in the post race quotes. I actually think you could say Kiryu is more of what he was last year a 10.1ish sprinter. I look forward to his development but not ready to say that 10.01 was all on the up and up.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Wed May 15, 2013 1:56 pm

Kiryu mark unlikely to be ratified as WJR because of wind-gauge specs. Short story posted on front page.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Wed May 15, 2013 7:54 pm

Edion Stadium, venue for the Mikio Oda Memorial Meet on April 29, did not have an ultrasonic wind gauge, which is specified in the IAAF rules as necessary for ratifying records.


Was the ultrasonic wind gauge being used when Brown set his record 10 years ago or when Demps set his 5 years ago?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Thu May 16, 2013 12:24 am

Ah shiiiit... gibson isn't gonna be too thrilled about this update lol... (nor am I for that matter, and feel pretty pissed off as well, myself) Especially if what batonless relay asked about is the case, which would make it all the more infuriating. That said, rules are rules, and obv if they allowed people to not use equipment that was up to their standards AT THE TIME (i.e. improving over time), and didn't penalize those who didn't spec up to it by not recognizing their stuff when they did stuff without spec'ing up, they would never be able to get everyone to spec up uniformly and have the sport progress technologically. So, I get that it's necessary etc, I'm just bummed out that it had to happen to this kid of all people. Cuz it's like, how awesome would it have been to have a 17 year old asian kid as tied for the WJR. It could've been helpful in getting both more Asians into the sport in general, as well as in diminishing stereotypes that a lot of non-Asians have about Asians when it comes to certain types of athletics. So I am sad that it ended up turning out this way... sigh...

That said, on a brighter note, he still has a lot of time left to break the WJR (all of the rest of this season, and then all of next season as well), so, given that it wasn't exactly an out-of-nowhere performance by him (since he'd already set world youth record marks with like 10.2x a couple times the previous year), I feel there is a good chance that he might even break the WJR, as well as the 10 second barrier, possibly by a significant margin for all we know, before his time as a junior is up.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 3:24 am

batonless relay wrote:
Edion Stadium, venue for the Mikio Oda Memorial Meet on April 29, did not have an ultrasonic wind gauge, which is specified in the IAAF rules as necessary for ratifying records.


Was the ultrasonic wind gauge being used when Brown set his record 10 years ago or when Demps set his 5 years ago?


Probably not, but that's irrelevant. Time marches on and rules change as technology improves. Every time there's a new development, older marks get grandfathered in, which is only the logical thing to do.

As a direct parallel, 90-plus % of the World Records ever set (including a significant number of current ones) were ratified without a drug test. Because tests are now mandatory, would you go back and just arbitrarily wipe most of hte sport's legends off the map?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 3:42 am

ps---Demps does not hold a share of the WJR by the way, officially. It's the AJR, but wasn't ratified as WJR because the "zero control operation" wasn't conducted before the meet began. Not required by USATF rules (or at least wasn't then; don't know if it is now), but is required by IAAF.

Another example of evolving rules.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Thu May 16, 2013 5:14 am

Dont feel bad Kiryu fans, it is not like he set a 100m WR by 3 tenths of a second with a 0 wind reading at the US Trials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... d_field%29 US Trials.

Regarding wind readings it seems that the higher the standard in wind speed equipment the more cavalier novice officials have become in making sure the equipment is actually functioning correctly.

Rather than forever adopting the latest wind gauge technolog the governing bodies should instead mandate some redundancy in the technologies. A few disparate measuring methods and more importantly proper, well published maintenance and calibration procedures would go a long way to insure that the officials when there is a good measurement and when there is not.

It is easy to suspect that there have been more false non-wind readings since the advent of the electronic wind gauge than before. At least with the impeller type of gauge any guy with a HS degree could figure out if it was working properly and maintenance consisted of a few drops of oil on a bearing.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Thu May 16, 2013 5:29 am

gh wrote:Probably not, but that's irrelevant. Time marches on and rules change as technology improves. Every time there's a new development, older marks get grandfathered in, which is only the logical thing to do.

As a direct parallel, 90-plus % of the World Records ever set (including a significant number of current ones) were ratified without a drug test. Because tests are now mandatory, would you go back and just arbitrarily wipe most of hte sport's legends off the map?

It is irrelevant and I just wanted to know for reference and comparison.

As for wiping out world records/best as time marches on...of course not. But, I don't have to be consistent about it...I would remove Radcliffe's "WB".
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 6:54 am

user4 wrote:Dont feel bad Kiryu fans, it is not like he set a 100m WR by 3 tenths of a second with a 0 wind reading at the US Trials. .....


And in the greatest irony of all, it was Swiss Timing equipment run by a Swiss crew. If you can't trust Swiss Timing, who can you trust?!!!!

(the problem is that it was a new system, and there was a bug that had gone unrealized: indeed, I don't think they ever publicly admitted it; had they, the IAAF would have grounds for decertifying the mark)
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gktrack » Thu May 16, 2013 9:10 am

just curious... why is Jeff Demps' legal 10.01 not on T&FN's World junior record list, but is on the American junior record list?
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/285
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/511
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby user4 » Thu May 16, 2013 9:33 am

gh wrote:
user4 wrote:Dont feel bad Kiryu fans, it is not like he set a 100m WR by 3 tenths of a second with a 0 wind reading at the US Trials. .....


And in the greatest irony of all, it was Swiss Timing equipment run by a Swiss crew. If you can't trust Swiss Timing, who can you trust?!!!!

(the problem is that it was a new system, and there was a bug that had gone unrealized: indeed, I don't think they ever publicly admitted it; had they, the IAAF would have grounds for decertifying the mark)


Referring to the W100m "WR" ... how in heavens name does a governing body simply rubber stamp the use of new equipment without the old equipment serving as redundant backup ?.. Certainly dispassionate and objective officials did not give cheers of joy at such a decision. I suspect that had they been asked they would have weighed in vocally never to completely supplant the old reliable gear cutting all chords with the past and allowing a packaged pallet of new equipment to be air dropped onto the infield.

Change that is slow and deliberate and never "all-or-nothing" is always safest in these matters. Bring back the impeller wind gauges!!!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 9:39 am

gktrack wrote:just curious... why is Jeff Demps' legal 10.01 not on T&FN's World junior record list, but is on the American junior record list?
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/285
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/special-articles/511


read my post 4 above yours.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gktrack » Thu May 16, 2013 10:52 am

My bad.. fell asleep on the posting and was late. Surprised '08 Oly Trials didn't have the most strict wind reading guidelines in place, so if any WR was set there (senior or junior) with applicable wind readings, they would not been counted, as Demps' wasn't?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gh » Thu May 16, 2013 10:54 am

I don't know. It's possible the zero test was performed at other times in the meet. The Demps mark was set in the quarterfinals, which isn't usually viewed as WR-setting territory. (It's also possible it was never run; I have no data ne way or the other)
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Thu May 16, 2013 11:06 am

i do like video evidence - and i would say the 10.01 was a bit windy.
so the ruling is not so bad. though it sucks a bit the way things panned out.
moving forward, "our man" beat a sub 10 guy in tokyo.
we know kiryu is fast. the intrugue remains.

kiryu has all the time in the world to emulate and better 10.0.
there will be tons of pressure on the kid, but if he's the real deal, he'll deal with it.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Thu May 16, 2013 11:59 am

gh wrote:As a direct parallel, 90-plus % of the World Records ever set (including a significant number of current ones) were ratified without a drug test. Because tests are now mandatory, would you go back and just arbitrarily wipe most of hte sport's legends off the map?


I mean, I don't think I would, but... I'm not gonna lie... I'd be at least a little bit tempted :twisted:
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Thu May 16, 2013 12:17 pm

gibson wrote:i do like video evidence - and i would say the 10.01 was a bit windy.
so the ruling is not so bad. though it sucks a bit the way things panned out.
moving forward, "our man" beat a sub 10 guy in tokyo.
we know kiryu is fast. the intrugue remains.

kiryu has all the time in the world to emulate and better 10.0.
there will be tons of pressure on the kid, but if he's the real deal, he'll deal with it.

On what evidence do you think the 10.01 "was a bit windy"? LOL. You can see 0.9 wind, on video, with no flags?
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Fri May 17, 2013 10:12 am

re: looked a bit windy.

the flaggy thingy was blowing at half mast,
but clip boards indicated no wind and
people's hair was not blowing around as well.

so a bit windy it was. not much. a trifle but not a truffle. a smidgen if you will..
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Fri May 17, 2013 10:53 am

gibson wrote:re: looked a bit windy.

the flaggy thingy was blowing at half mast,
but clip boards indicated no wind and
people's hair was not blowing around as well.

so a bit windy it was. not much. a trifle but not a truffle. a smidgen if you will..

I call utter and complete BS. There is no "flaggy thing blowing at half mast" in the entire video of his 10.01 race. At all. It was definitely not "windy".

Why are you making it up? :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrOH4xJwyTs - Here is a view from side/behind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCe6_ocbeg - From the side/Front
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Wed May 29, 2013 6:20 am

I guess if you don't break or threaten a record our sport fails to keep abreast of significant progress, but ...

2 20.59 +1.6 Yoshihide KIRYU 15 DEC 1995 JPN 1 Kyoto 19 MAY 2013

that's the second fastest time by a junior this year (according to IAAF.com); fastest is by his countryman.

1 20.35 -0.3 Akiyuki HASHIMOTO 18 NOV 1994 JPN 1r3 Fukuroi 03 MAY 2013
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Thu May 30, 2013 8:23 am

gotta love the passion seen here in track and field.
the half mast thing showing wind is not so important.
i can't find the vid that shows it better, little gusts, but see at 52 seconds what i saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUDtvn4sx4
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 26mi235 » Thu May 30, 2013 8:36 am

The direction of the movement does not appear to be down the track but across it. The 2mps is not the maximum speed of legal wind, it is the wind vector down the track that has a limit of 2mps. At 1:40 the horizontal jump board official raises a white flag that also looks like it might be getting wind going across the track, although the motion (and changing angle) of the flag makes that hard to determine. It might be interesting to get what the wind readings on the two jumps before and after (45 seconds) the 100m race were.

This link shows that same sock at 7 seconds and again the one across the track at 1:16; in the later case it looks like it is a bit more than 45 degrees (i.e., a bit more across the track [90 deg] than down the track [0 deg]), with the one closer to the stands appearing to be a bit larger angle (e.g., 55-65 deg).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=-oCe6_ocbeg&feature=endscreen
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby batonless relay » Thu May 30, 2013 9:43 am

gibson wrote:gotta love the passion seen here in track and field.
the half mast thing showing wind is not so important.
i can't find the vid that shows it better, little gusts, but see at 52 seconds what i saw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcUDtvn4sx4

The passion is always good, it's the FICTION we have to be aware of. You can't find it because it probably doesn't exist. No one said there was NO wind (the race registered 0.9 for heavens sake), just that the race was NOT "windy", which is how you are attempting to describe it to lessen the result (see below).
gibson wrote:i do like video evidence - and i would say the 10.01 was a bit windy.
so the ruling is not so bad.
... if he's the real deal, he'll deal with it.


His result is no less valid than most/any other sub-10.10 race(s). In fact, gh, made mention of wind being one of the PRIMARY reasons why sub-10 is breached a few months back. 0.9 is on the LOW side, fwiw.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=50255

gh wrote:
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gh wrote:sub-4:00 is currently at 397, not 396
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index. ... -only/1476

396, 397, it's not like it's significant internationally... Anyway...corrected.

But it is germane to the 'race between 400 sub-4:00s and 40 sub-10s :)

the difference between a mile list and a 100 list is that you know the mile list probably doesn't have any marks on it that were achieved through the aid of wind and/or altitude and/or questionable starting.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 18.99s » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:44 pm

20.41 for 200m today, wind +0.5. New Japanese HS record, #2 on the junior list for 2013 (#1 Hashimoto is also Japanese).
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby nicest person ever » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:57 pm

18.99s wrote:20.41 for 200m today, wind +0.5. New Japanese HS record, #2 on the junior list for 2013 (#1 Hashimoto is also Japanese).


YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so pumped for this kid

Can't wait to see what he does in Moscow!!!

Good luck Yoshi!!!!!
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby mal » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:11 pm

loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby 18.99s » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:19 pm

mal wrote:loved his balance out of the blocks. While he is much more slight ( :mrgreen: ) it reminded me a little of Borzov's smoothness.


You saw a close-up video of the race? Where? All I saw was this video taken by somebody in the crowd, with no zoom so they look like ants on the curve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzYCNimVNRM

Despite the low-quality image, it's obvious that it was raining, so that makes the 20.41 more awesome.
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby gibson » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:27 am

i'm seeing a lot of drizzle type rain and a very legit 20.4.
20.0 is possible now for the lad in good conditions.

speaking of good conditions, what is this effort worth, say at mexico city with a 3+ wind (that the gauges show exactly 0.0)?

someone said that kiryu is slight,, huh? i see a MMA type body at light-middle weight. check it;
http://images.supersport.com/2013/5/YoshihideKiryu130405RunsG300.jpghttp://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201305/n_46102_4.jpg

here is borzov, a man among boys, notice how slender the other runners are.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_W2oxhVu5JWI/S ... borzov.jpg

i'd say between the two, the japanese figure comes more from nature while the russian physique is more "engineered".
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Re: Yoshihide Kiryu 10.01 (+0.9)

Postby EPelle » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:39 am

Its value would be 10,18w (+3,0) in Mexico city.
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