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Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby donley2 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:11 pm

One of the first big races did not have a surprise winner but the women in 2nd had a huge breakthrough improving her listed PR by 22 seconds


1 Emma Coburn Colorado 9:28.26

38.338 (38.338) 1:52.712 (1:14.374) 3:09.311 (1:16.599)

4:24.712 (1:15.402) 5:41.710 (1:16.998) 6:59.054 (1:17.344)

8:16.321 (1:17.268)

2 Jamie Cheever Brooks/Team Usa MN 9:29.13

39.096 (39.096) 1:55.836 (1:16.740) 3:14.012 (1:18.177)

4:31.050 (1:17.038) 5:46.366 (1:15.316) 7:01.327 (1:14.962)

8:16.802 (1:15.475)

3 Amber Henry Weber State 9:51.55

39.866 (39.866) 1:55.776 (1:15.910) 3:13.482 (1:17.706)

4:30.477 (1:16.996) 5:49.409 (1:18.932) 7:11.385 (1:21.976)

8:33.980 (1:22.595)

4 Colleen Quigley Florida State 9:52.19

39.724 (39.724) 1:56.448 (1:16.724) 3:14.887 (1:18.440)

4:33.187 (1:18.300) 5:52.406 (1:19.219) 7:12.756 (1:20.351)

8:34.722 (1:21.966)

5 Nicole Bush Furman Elite 9:53.68

39.590 (39.590) 1:56.153 (1:16.563) 3:15.034 (1:18.882)

4:34.362 (1:19.328) 5:55.316 (1:20.954) 7:16.739 (1:21.424)

8:36.727 (1:19.988)
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Master Po » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:22 pm

That's a really solid time for Coburn -- she has run faster on 3 occasions, but has never run this fast this early. And, as you note for Cheever, a huge improvement. Will be curious to see how she develops, from here.
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Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:34 pm

Lots of good racing/running tonight 22 second PR in the 3000SC

1 Ben True Saucony 13:14.44
2 Evan Jager Nike 13:14.60
3 Diego Estrada Northern Arizona 13:15.33
4 Leonard Korir Global Sport 13:15.45
5 Hassan Mead Otc 13:15.50
6 Dan Huling Nike 13:18.42
7 Eric Jenkins Northeastern 13:18.57
8 Garrett Heath Saucony/Aurum 13:20.01
9 Sam Chelanga Otc 13:20.07
10 Zane Robertson Unattached 13:21.15
11 Chris Solinsky Nike 13:23.62
12 Brett Robinson Melbourne Tr 13:26.35
13 Jeff See Saucony 13:29.08
14 George-Byron Alex Unattached 13:29.55
15 Luke Caldwell New Mexico 13:29.94
16 Maverick Darling Wisconsin 13:30.40
17 Parker Stinson Oregon 13:31.70
Webb 13:37

1 Amy Weissenbach Stanford 2:04.24 1
1:01.108 (1:01.108)
2 Stephanie Brown Arkansas 2:04.35 1
1:01.308 (1:01.308)
3 Gabriela Elizabeth Medin Mexico-FMAA 2:04.38 1
1:01.145 (1:01.145)
4 Jessica Smith Valley Royals 2:04.43 1
1:00.901 (1:00.901)
5 Helen Crofts Simon Fraser 2:04.56 1
1:00.968 (1:00.968)
6 Chihiro Sunaga Shiseido Run 2:05.22 2
1:00.734 (1:00.734)
7 Jenna Westaway Calgary Inte 2:05.60 2
1:00.920 (1:00.920)
8 Martine Borge Arkansas 2:06.29 2
1:00.396 (1:00.396)
9 Lauren Schaffer Idaho 2:06.99 3
1:03.054 (1:03.054)

1 Brandon Johnson Hsi- Nike 1:46.47 1
52.937 (52.937)
2 Felix Kitur Santa Monica TC 1:47.28 1
52.603 (52.603)
3 Joe Abbott Unattached 1:47.43 1
53.168 (53.168)
4 Pablo Solares Bay Area Track Club 1:47.71 1
53.279 (53.279)
5 Prince Mumba Santa Monica TC 1:47.87 1
53.097 (53.097)
6 Anthony Romaniw Guelph 1:47.93 1
53.325 (53.325)
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Friar » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:36 pm

Ben True nipping Jager. Very nice breakthrough for Jenkins 13:18:

1 Ben True Saucony 13:14.44

2 Evan Jager Nike 13:14.60

3 Diego Estrada Northern Arizona 13:15.33

4 Leonard Korir Global Sport 13:15.45

5 Hassan Mead Otc 13:15.50

6 Dan Huling Nike 13:18.42

7 Eric Jenkins Northeastern 13:18.57
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby DrJay » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:00 pm

Women's 10,000


1 Betsy Saina Iowa St 31:37.22
2 Obare Doricah Hitachi 31:44.92
3 Ayumi Hagiwara Uniqlo 31:45.29
4 Kim Smith New Balance 31:46.37
5 Marisol Guadalupe Romero Mexico-FMAA 31:46.43
6 Jordan Hasay Oregon 32:06.64

"A" standard is 31:45.00
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:02 pm

1 Chris O'Hare Unattached 3:38.48
44.819 (44.819) 1:44.017 (59.198) 2:42.257 (58.240)
2 Riley Masters Oklahoma 3:38.79
43.490 (43.490) 1:42.859 (59.369) 2:42.127 (59.269)
3 Henrik Ingebrigtsen Aam 3:39.07
4 Michael Atchoo Stanford 3:39.57
5 Ben Blankenship Otc 3:39.71
6 John Bolas New Balance 3:39.73
7 Craig Miller New Balance 3:39.81
8 Rich Peters Boston U. 3:40.05
9 Russell Brown Otc 3:40.09
10 Tyler Stutzman Stanford 3:40.43
11 Duncan Phillips Austin Track Club 3:42.62

1 Kim Conley New Balance 15:22.07
2 Katie Mackey Brooks Beasts 15:23.65
3 Julia Lucas Otc 15:23.77
4 Riko Matsuzaki Sekisui Kagaku 15:27.51
5 Nicole Sifuentes Saucony 15:27.58
6 Misaki Onishi Sekisui Kagaku 15:27.84
7 Brie Felnagle Adidas 15:29.14
8 Delilah Discresenzo Puma/NYAC 15:36.45
9 Sara Hall Asics 15:39.32
10 Kate Van Buskirk Athletics Toronto 15:40.26
11 Julie Culley Asics/NYAC 15:41.41
12 Katie Matthews Boston U. 15:44.19
13 Amy Hastings Brooks 15:44.93

Two As 3 almost

1 Betsy Saina Iowa St 31:37.22
2 Obare Doricah Hitachi 31:44.92
3 Ayumi Hagiwara Uniqlo 31:45.29
4 Kim Smith New Balance 31:46.37
5 Marisol Guadalupe Romero Mexico-FMAA 31:46.43
6 Jordan Hasay Oregon 32:06.64
7 Aliphine Tuliamuk-Bolton Wichita State 32:07.20
8 Yuko Shimizu Sekisui Kagaku 32:07.70
9 Laura Thweatt Boulder Track Club 32:15.51
10 Lara Tamsett Melbourne Tr 32:16.13
11 Miho Ihara Sekisui Kagaku 32:16.46
12 Hanae Tanaka Daiichi Seimei 32:25.05
13 Mattie Suver Brc/Adidas 32:29.14
14 Brianne Nelson Brc/Adidas 32:33.05
15 Lisa Uhl Nike/Aurum 32:41.98
-- Neely Spence-Gracey Hansons-Brooks Odp DNF
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby DrJay » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:03 pm

11 Chris Solinsky 13:23.62

A good sign. Hard to complain about that after having your hamstring detached and reattached.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Bob Duncan » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:08 pm

Smith led most of that 10,000, later shadowed Saina before fading. Hasay was in a trailing group, then made a surge and ended up running much of the part of the race by herself, closing with a 70.

It's been a great weekend for track.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:33 pm

1 Ben St Lawrence Melbourne Tr 27:37.55
2 Suguru Osako Waseda University 27:38.31
3 Yuki Sato Nissin Foods 27:39.50
4 Chris Thompson Otc 27:40.81
5 Bashir Abdi Golazo Sports 27:43.99
6 Ryan Vail Unattached 27:44.05
7 Aaron Braun Adidas 27:44.58
8 Jake Robertson Unattached 27:45.46
9 Sean Quigley Boulder Track Club 27:50.78
10 Girma Mecheso Oklahoma State 27:52.38
11 Tonny Okello Santa Monica TC 27:55.07
12 Tsuyoshi Ugachi Konica Minolta 27:55.27
13 Andrew Bumbalough Nike 27:56.78
14 Christo Landry Mizuno 27:59.22
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:53 pm

DrJay wrote:Women's 10,000
6 Jordan Hasay Oregon 32:06.64

Not only does she break Kathy Hayes 29-year-old Oregon school record (32.43,81), Hasay replaced Cal's Deborah Maier (32.12,47/2012 Payton Jordan) as Pac-12 record-holder.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby KevinM » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:48 am

EPelle wrote:
DrJay wrote:Women's 10,000
6 Jordan Hasay Oregon 32:06.64

Not only does she break Kathy Hayes 29-year-old Oregon school record (32.43,81), Hasay replaced Cal's Deborah Maier (32.12,47/2012 Payton Jordan) as Pac-12 record-holder.


Also #3 collegian all-time for Saina. That's 3 ISU athletes from the Corey Ihmels coaching era in the top-10 (Uhl, Nelson the others).
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Master Po » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:10 am

KevinM wrote:
EPelle wrote:
DrJay wrote:Women's 10,000
6 Jordan Hasay Oregon 32:06.64

Not only does she break Kathy Hayes 29-year-old Oregon school record (32.43,81), Hasay replaced Cal's Deborah Maier (32.12,47/2012 Payton Jordan) as Pac-12 record-holder.


Also #3 collegian all-time for Saina. That's 3 ISU athletes from the Corey Ihmels coaching era in the top-10 (Uhl, Nelson the others).


Thanks for pointing this out re Saina's time (and the ISU fact -- 3 of the top 6 on the all-time collegiate women's 10km list). Maybe this was pointed out above, but Hasay's time, I think, makes her #4 all-time collegiate (#5 performance). Both are significant revisions to this all-time list.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:43 am

Would that be four in the Top-10 if you include the woman that transferred to Wichita State?
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby TN1965 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:24 am

KevinM wrote:That's 3 ISU athletes from the Corey Ihmels coaching era in the top-10 (Uhl, Nelson the others).


And what's wrong with Uhl? 32:41 and dead last? :shock:
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby EPelle » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:31 am

TN1965 wrote:
KevinM wrote:That's 3 ISU athletes from the Corey Ihmels coaching era in the top-10 (Uhl, Nelson the others).


And what's wrong with Uhl? 32:41 and dead last? :shock:

Training's going well, but can't get into appropriate zone she needs in her races. Post-race interview: http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?vi ... nvite-2013
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby gktrack » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:38 am

Hopefully not lost in all the Mary Cain talk was a fine run by high school junior, Elise Cranny, in heat 2 of the Payton Jordan 1500: 4:15.07
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Dutra5 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:15 am

EPelle wrote:
TN1965 wrote:
KevinM wrote:That's 3 ISU athletes from the Corey Ihmels coaching era in the top-10 (Uhl, Nelson the others).


And what's wrong with Uhl? 32:41 and dead last? :shock:

Training's going well, but can't get into appropriate zone she needs in her races. Post-race interview: http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?vi ... nvite-2013


She ran at the head of the chase group for quite a while in front of Hasay and Neely Spence and then went out the back door.

I'm surprised Hasay ran this race unless she's not running the 10,000m for Oregon in NCAAs.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:28 am

Her plan was to run her first 10,000 easy (several weeks back, finished with big negative split). After several weeks she ran this race. She has two weeks until Pac-12, then the Regionals/NCAAs The Regional race is a "top-12" effort, which should be a workout for her, nothing more. Even the Pac-12 race will likely be a modest first 5000 and maybe even not much faster for the next 3-4k.

One person trackside reported that she seemed to be running very easily and that she could have gone faster (they said 31-low). While that might be optimistic, if she ran this fast well within herself only the NCAA race against Saina/T-B/Nelson etc will be hard. Then it is ease back and prep for the Trials/USATF.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby DrJay » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:30 am

gktrack wrote:Hopefully not lost in all the Mary Cain talk was a fine run by high school junior, Elise Cranny, in heat 2 of the Payton Jordan 1500: 4:15.07


Thanks, as I meant to track that down and forgot. Maybe upgrade "fine" to "awesome" or such, as that makes her 3rd on the alltime HS list

4:10.77 *Mary Cain (Bronxville, New York) 2013
4:14.50 *Jordan Hasay (Mission, San Luis Obispo, California) 2008
4:16.42 Christine Babcock (Woodbridge, Irvine, California) 2008
4:16.6 Kim Gallagher (Upper Dublin, Ft Washington, Pennsylvania) 1982
4:16.8 *Francie Larrieu (Fremont, Sunnyvale, California) 1969
--Polly Plumer (University, Irvine, California) 1982
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby gh » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:50 am

old best 4:23.56!

see the new top 10 posted on front page
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby gktrack » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:46 am

Re: Elise Cranny... I find it difficult to sift thru and gauge some of the prep performances for states like CO, given the combination of weather and altitude. Looks like she ran a 2:09 this year in CO as well. Nice she had the chance early in her career to run in a meet like Payton Jordan.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Master Po » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:55 pm

Elise Cranny did run a 4:40.62 mile at NB Indoor Nationals in early March. For some reason that seems like ages ago, but I guess it was only about 7 weeks. That mile time is equivalent to 4:19.83, I think, so with that in view her progression doesn't involve quite as big a jump as it might seem, from 4:23.56. Either way, this 4:15.07 is impressive! (At least worth one exclamation point, I would think...) I hope she continues to have a good season and make good improvements.

And...her entry into the all-time prep top 10 bumps Lynn Jennings off this top 10 list. For some reason this makes me kind of sad, but I guess Lynn Jennings has some other accomplishments on her record, doesn't she? She will probably be OK without being on this list.
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edit: I now see from looking at the NB Indoor meet that the 4:23.65 gh posted is in those results as the 1500 split at that meet. I thought that time was from a different competition. Never mind my mathematical endeavors, above. In any case, she's one to watch.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Dutra5 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:31 pm

26mi235 wrote:Her plan was to run her first 10,000 easy (several weeks back, finished with big negative split). After several weeks she ran this race. She has two weeks until Pac-12, then the Regionals/NCAAs The Regional race is a "top-12" effort, which should be a workout for her, nothing more. Even the Pac-12 race will likely be a modest first 5000 and maybe even not much faster for the next 3-4k.

One person trackside reported that she seemed to be running very easily and that she could have gone faster (they said 31-low). While that might be optimistic, if she ran this fast well within herself only the NCAA race against Saina/T-B/Nelson etc will be hard. Then it is ease back and prep for the Trials/USATF.


That's 5 10ks in a relatively short period of time even if she doesn't make the team. If you saw her at the end of the race, she was more spent than the rest of the women in the race. The Regional may not be much of an effort but I guess it was felt that she had to get the B just to be eligible.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:58 pm

[quote="26mi235"]Her plan was to run her first 10,000 easy (several weeks back, finished with big negative split). After several weeks she ran this race. She has two weeks until Pac-12, then the Regionals/NCAAs The Regional race is a "top-12" effort, which should be a workout for her, nothing more. Even the Pac-12 race will likely be a modest first 5000 and maybe even not much faster for the next 3-4k. [quote]

No need for Hasay to run 10k at Pac 12, as they should win meet easily.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:59 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
26mi235 wrote:
One person trackside reported that she seemed to be running very easily and that she could have gone faster (they said 31-low). While that might be optimistic,...


If you saw her at the end of the race, she was more spent than the rest of the women in the race.


So these are to rather divergent reports with different implications: if she was within herself, the it would not have taken as much out of her and only the NCAA Final will be a hard race with the others not too much harder than a workout. Conversely, if this takes a lot out of her, not only will she have to recover, but other races will be harder on her.

Looking at the video she was clearly working hard during the race, not sitting back and having the foot just slightly on 'cruise'. That makes me think that she may not run at the Pac-12 meet (or that she runs with teammates in 'scoring mode'. However, since the 10,000 is at the beginning, you do not know what is going to happen yet. Thus, she might be in for the 5000, which is both shorter and right at the end so they can decide whether and how hard she should run.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Master Po » Wed May 01, 2013 10:09 am

gktrack wrote:Hopefully not lost in all the Mary Cain talk was a fine run by high school junior, Elise Cranny, in heat 2 of the Payton Jordan 1500: 4:15.07



Just watched this race (video now on Flotrack). I know some of you have seen Cranny race, but this was my first time to observe her, & I was really impressed, not simply with the overall time and finishing place among a group of collegiate and post-collegiate runners, but I was also with the way she looked executing this time. She looked to be running very comfortably -- in last (10th) place w ~450 to go; 8th at the bell, and still in 7th-8th w less than 200m to go, basically moving along with the pace. Her move up to 3rd was pretty much all in the last 100m. It looked to be a very controlled run, and left the impression with me that she had quite a bit more in the tank. She also just looks very strong -- compact, efficient stride -- kind of reminded me of Laura Roesler, to cite one example of someone a bit ahead of her in years who I can actually remember from her prep competitions. I won't make any exaggerated claims about what Cranny might be able to do, but I think if she got in the right race another time or two, she could go a couple of seconds faster this season.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby Dutra5 » Wed May 01, 2013 11:13 am

26mi235 wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
26mi235 wrote:
One person trackside reported that she seemed to be running very easily and that she could have gone faster (they said 31-low). While that might be optimistic,...


If you saw her at the end of the race, she was more spent than the rest of the women in the race.


So these are to rather divergent reports with different implications: if she was within herself, the it would not have taken as much out of her and only the NCAA Final will be a hard race with the others not too much harder than a workout. Conversely, if this takes a lot out of her, not only will she have to recover, but other races will be harder on her.

Looking at the video she was clearly working hard during the race, not sitting back and having the foot just slightly on 'cruise'. That makes me think that she may not run at the Pac-12 meet (or that she runs with teammates in 'scoring mode'. However, since the 10,000 is at the beginning, you do not know what is going to happen yet. Thus, she might be in for the 5000, which is both shorter and right at the end so they can decide whether and how hard she should run.


Whoever it was who thought she was within herself enough to be able to run nearly a minute faster (low 31's) clearly is either an overexuberant fan or misread things completely. This was clearly an effort for Hasay. My comments were that this is a lot of 10,000m running for any season never mind someone new to the event completely. This isn't even a case such as with men in which they run 10,000m in cross country which gives them some experience at the distance.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby aaronk » Thu May 02, 2013 11:27 pm

Have a few similar thoughts about this meet as the ones above......and a few different.

Elise Cranny's 4:15.07 was possibly the most surprising result.
Listed as "unattached" in the "B" 1500 race, no one paid her any attention......except for people like me, who had watched the video of her indoor mile at NB.
Beat her mile PR by 18 secs, and showed a fierce "Cain-like" kick over the final straightaway....to beat the more-renowned Hannah Meier.
So I was very alert to what Cranny's time would be at Stanford.
4:15.07. WOW!!
Looks like she has more shockers to come!!

After seeing the video of the men's 5K, I'd predict both Ben True and Evan Jager are PRIME sub-13:00 guys this year!!
But I don't know if Jager will run another 5K this year!

Jordan Hasay didn't make her "A".
But I think she can.
Looked smooth and strong throughout....even though people say she was wiped out afterwards!!
Kim Smith's running form reminds me a bit of Paula Radcliffe's.
Not the best.....but it doesn't slow her down!!
Betsy Saina looks unbeatable at NCAA's.

Another shocker was Jamie Cheever's 9:29+ in the SC....less than a second behind Emma Coburn! And what a final 3 laps!!!
Hopefully it's not a one-off!!
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 03, 2013 9:12 am

Cheever's 9:29 is much bigger than Cranny's, whose improvement is only on the order of 4 seconds (and that on an indoor time and since she gets few chances to race hard at sea level, her prior marks are more likely to not be 'at equilibrium'; that is, she has not had much a chance to have a current-year comparable PR). 4 seconds in 4 minutes is much less than 22 seconds in 9 minutes. And, you expect much more rapid development for a high schooler than a post-grad.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby gktrack » Sun May 05, 2013 9:34 am

Elise Cranny follows up with a very respectable 2:08.68 at altitude in CO (1525 meters). At what running distance does altitude go from being a positive influence to a negative?
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby gh » Sun May 05, 2013 9:36 am

T&FN's take is that altitude is neutral for the 800.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby dl » Sun May 05, 2013 11:08 am

No secret, since Running Times had an article on it, but Cranny is coached (very intelligently and cautiously) by Jason Hartmann, 4th placer in the last 2 Boston Marathons.
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Re: Payton Jordan Invite (in search of A's and B's)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 12:46 pm

gh wrote:T&FN's take is that altitude is neutral for the 800.


That is probably most accurate for fast men; as speed drops the aiding effect of thin are drops while the reduced partial pressure of oxygen becomes more important over the longer time to finish.
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