Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)


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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:58 pm

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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:07 pm

Based on her comments on the Penn Relays show yesterday, I don't think we see SRR in any great form this season or possibly at all this season.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:12 pm

I would rather not see her than see her in poor form. I hate when people compete on injuries that haven't been given the time to properly heal.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby ATK » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:18 pm

JumboElliott wrote:I would rather not see her than see her in poor form. I hate when people compete on injuries that haven't been given the time to properly heal.

But how can we judge that? I'm pretty An athlete like SRR has people who know when she is ready and not. 2010 she got injured and did not compete after USA's. 2011 she was recovering and still in poor form, but competed. And it subsequently paid off with a transition into an amazing season.
I think occasional planned competition if you are capable is better than none at all.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby beebee » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:56 pm

Dutra5 wrote:Based on her comments on the Penn Relays show yesterday, I don't think we see SRR in any great form this season or possibly at all this season.


You must have serious inside information...I would never count this lady out...the best(clean) female 400m runner ever.

If somehow you are correct, the USA's women's 4x400 will win anyway.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby t_monk » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:17 pm

beebee wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:Based on her comments on the Penn Relays show yesterday, I don't think we see SRR in any great form this season or possibly at all this season.


You must have serious inside information...I would never count this lady out...the best(clean) female 400m runner ever.

If somehow you are correct, the USA's women's 4x400 will win anyway.


She did surgery earlier this year and it's taking very long to hear (her words exactly). She literally has not run at all this season. She now therefore needs to fit in base training and speed training all in one month (May) in preparation for trials in June. She does not have the luxury of just appearing for the WC seeing that she has no bye to lean back on.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby fasttrack85 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:15 pm

Sanya did say she is healing from surgery on her big toe. She didn't say she wasnt training just not competing.

Anyone know why Allyson didn't run in the 4 by 4 relay? Is she trying to stay fresh for Jamaica or not ready for that distance?
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby tm71 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:00 pm

if SRR has not run competed in any races yet and has had trouble healing from her injury i would be very surprised if she makes the team in the 400 in less than 8 weeks. she will most likely be on the relay squad.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby eldanielfire » Sun May 05, 2013 12:19 am

Finally saw this, Great race, race a 400m relay is so exciting.

It's A shame TBO tried for too long to take the inside (why are British athletes obsessed with hoping the inside opens up?) before going around and PSD weirdly tried to overtake on the curve twice. If either mistake was removed the Brits could have won. I noticed th splits were consistently good. Ohuruoghu's increased focus on speed work seems to be paying off, despite taking forever to change her mind not to go on the inside, she still kept pace and looked like she had her usual speedy finish at the end. I honestly think this GB team could medal in place of Jamaica this year with a bit of luck. All 4 girls seemed to have had good winters and are in the forms of their lives.

t_monk wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:Based on this early season time without the two best runners for the US, is it possible that we could see a run at the World Record this year?




The 400m along with the 1500m world records are probably the most untouchable records in the sport.

Without both AF and SRR on the team, the US 4x400 team becomes very susceptible.


I'm not so sure, last year anybody half decent could have been on the last leg and won the race, the USA was so far ahead. The USA will only be under threat is and when the Russian women's learn to manage a race and stop completely blowing it at championships every time.

beebee wrote:
You must have serious inside information...I would never count this lady out...the best(clean) female 400m runner ever.
If somehow you are correct, the USA's women's 4x400 will win anyway.


That is hugely debatable. Sanya is very talented and fast but that isn't the same as the best. For years her race management was suspect and it appears she is a slow learner, hence she only has one world championship and one Olympic gold. She blew it in 2008, she made a big mistake of judgement in the 2012 indoor relay. Others who are considered clean and better than Richards-Ross would be Marie-José Pérec (much faster, Olympic record and much stronger international record in big championships), Cathy Freeman (faster and more successful once Perec was out of the way) and maybe Olga Bryzgina all have stronger records and times to genuinely challenge for the "clean women's 400m GOAT" title and it would be hard to not give it to Perec.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 1:06 am

eldanielfire wrote:Finally saw this, Great race, race a 400m relay is so exciting.

It's A shame TBO tried for too long to take the inside (why are British athletes obsessed with hoping the inside opens up?) before going around


The attempt to go inside was fatally flawed no matter the results. She has to take the outside pass and if she does not GB are DQed. It is stunning that someone at this level is so ignorant of the rules of the sport that they would even put themselves in this position. Give credit to the Americans for beating like a drum here. I am surprised that people here have tended to think that she took a risk that was silly and that did not pay off. She took no risk, there was absolutely NO payoff from going inside. Well, she could have gotten so far clear that she would have add enough time and space to pass by enough to be clear and then shifted over to lane two to make the pass, but that would have almost taken a fall by the American.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x4: USA 3:22.66 (WL)

Postby mump boy » Sun May 05, 2013 2:37 am

26mi235 wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:Finally saw this, Great race, race a 400m relay is so exciting.

It's A shame TBO tried for too long to take the inside (why are British athletes obsessed with hoping the inside opens up?) before going around


The attempt to go inside was fatally flawed no matter the results. She has to take the outside pass and if she does not GB are DQed. It is stunning that someone at this level is so ignorant of the rules of the sport that they would even put themselves in this position. Give credit to the Americans for beating like a drum here. I am surprised that people here have tended to think that she took a risk that was silly and that did not pay off. She took no risk, there was absolutely NO payoff from going inside. Well, she could have gotten so far clear that she would have add enough time and space to pass by enough to be clear and then shifted over to lane two to make the pass, but that would have almost taken a fall by the American.


TBO and relays haven't been the best of friends over the years. We're just happy that she seems committed to it and she actually trying to over take people !!
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