Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR


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Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby EPelle » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:16 am

Line-ups:

  • UK Marilyn Okoro—Jemma Simpson—Lynsey Sharp—Tara Bird
  • Russia Olga Lvova—Alena Glazkova—Svetlana Podosenova—Marina Pospelova
  • Kenya Winny Chebet—Eunice Sum—Hellen Obiri—Janeth Jepkosgei
  • United States Red Lea Wallace—Brenda Martinez—Ajee' Wilson—Alysia Montano
  • Canada Melissa Bishop—Karine Belleau-Beliveau—Diane Cummins—Lemlem Ogbasilassie
  • Australia Zoe Buckman—Anna Laman—Heidi Gregson—Selma Kajan
  • Ethiopia Dureti Edeo—Feyne Gudeto—Tizita Bogale—Alem Gereziher
  • United States Blue Phoebe Wright—Geena Gall—Alice Schmidt—LaTavia Thomas
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8

Postby iain » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:22 am

USA Red - 8:04.31
Kenya - 8:07.58
USA Blue - 8:10.99
Great Britain - 8:13.46
Canada - 8:14.85
Australia - 8:18.96
Russia - 8:27.45
Ethiopia - 8:30.65
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8

Postby EPelle » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:35 am

Montaño 1.58,55 anchor
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8

Postby gh » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:42 am

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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby mump boy » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:54 pm

UK record, which isn't saying much as the previous was 8.19 form '91 i think

Was that the running order ? Tara Bird on anchor ? V strange
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby iain » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:57 pm

mump boy wrote:UK record, which isn't saying much as the previous was 8.19 form '91 i think

Was that the running order ? Tara Bird on anchor ? V strange


Okoro (2:01.8), Simpson (2:03.9), Sharp (2:02.8), Bird (2:05.0)

I think the idea was to try and give all the girls a competitive race, not to lose contact with the lead too much.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby mump boy » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:12 pm

Well i'm very pleased to see Maz 'win' her leg :D
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby AS » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:52 pm

National Record for Australia too (by 21s!!)... clearly not an event run by our national team often :?

In terms of national records, the list goes like this (bold are from this weekend):

7:50.17 Soviet Union
7:54.10 Germany (GDR)
7:56.6 Ukraine
7:57.21 Romania
7:58.5 Lithuania
8:03.85 Belarus
8:04.31 United States
8:05.24 Bulgaria
8:07.58 Kenya
8:13.46 Great Britain & N.I.
8:14.85 Canada
8:18.96 Australia

8:19.3 Italy
8:19.47A Republic of South Africa
8:21.61 People's Republic of China
8:22.0 France

From the always wonderful http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w4x800ok.htm
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby Master Po » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:19 pm

Both USA teams surpassed the previous NR, which -- following mump's comment above about the UK record -- wasn't all that fast (8:17.91), by what we might consider as national standards -- event not raced that often, of course. That noted, several of these teams ran well today.

The "individual places", so to speak:

1. Montano (USA-r) 1:58.6
2. Martinez (USA-r) 2:00.6
3. Sum (KEN) 2:01.2
4. Jepkosgei (KEN) 2:01.5
5. Okoro (GBR) 2:01.8
Wright (USA-b) 2:01.8
7.Wallace (USA-r) 2:02.0
8. Chebet (KEN) 2:02.1

I know that relay splits aren't the same as open times, but those look like pretty good marks for Montano and Martinez, for this point in the season.

These sorts of competitions make me look forward to the relay championships, or whatever its going to be called, that's in the works.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby ExCoastRanger » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:33 pm

In the College Women's 4x8, both Villanova (8:17.45) and Oregon (8:17.62) also surpassed the previous NR (Tennesee 8:17.91). If not for the elite race, 'Nova would have the new NR.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby AS » Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:07 pm

ExCoastRanger wrote:In the College Women's 4x8, both Villanova (8:17.45) and Oregon (8:17.62) also surpassed the previous NR (Tennesee 8:17.91). If not for the elite race, 'Nova would have the new NR.


While the Villanova team are all USAians, the Oregon team includes a German national (Anne Kesselring) and a Quebecois (Annie Leblanc), so I don't think the Ducks' efforts would have been a US NR...
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby aaronk » Fri May 03, 2013 12:07 am

BOTH of the women's 4 X 800's were GREAT!!
And could be better!!

Except for Montano, the rest of the 8:04.31 team was NOT the best the US could line up.
(All due respect to Wallace, Martinez, and Wilson!!)
If they put up a team of Wright, Gall, Schmidt, and Montano....all in PRIME AUGUST shape....a sub-8:00 time is inevitable!!
Same goes for the Kenyan team!!

That said, it was a GREAT race!!

Same goes for the college race.
Which actually was the better RACE.....with Villanova and Oregon finishing just 0.17 apart!!
And LSU just 2 seconds back in third.

The men's DMR was fabulous too!!
And there again, the times could be so much faster if run in August.....with Wariner as the 400 guy......and the other 3 maybe 1 to 3 seconds faster for each of their legs!!
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 03, 2013 9:58 am

Wallace, Martinez, and Wilson might be further up the US rankings than you are thinking. Gall did not look as good as these three.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby jazzcyclist » Fri May 03, 2013 11:25 am

It looks like the second fastest split of the day was actually run in the college race by LSU's Natoya Goule (2:00.39).
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby 26mi235 » Fri May 03, 2013 12:32 pm

Well, she is the best collegiate 800 runner and, while the pros might be better than her overall, they are not that much ahead. Then, given the earlier season/peaking of collegiate runners, the best should be running with those pros.

It will be Interesting to see if the seeming breakthrough for Roesler gets the two of them head-to-head like Favor and Rainey from a couple decades ago. I suspect that Goule wants the race to be as fast as possible because she is the strongest there. Could we see a pair of 1:59s?
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby Fortius19 » Fri May 03, 2013 12:37 pm

That Soviet Union time is crazy.

Any sub 8:00 time is amazing.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby Blues » Fri May 03, 2013 1:27 pm

26mi235 wrote:Well, she is the best collegiate 800 runner and, while the pros might be better than her overall, they are not that much ahead. Then, given the earlier season/peaking of collegiate runners, the best should be running with those pros.

It will be Interesting to see if the seeming breakthrough for Roesler gets the two of them head-to-head like Favor and Rainey from a couple decades ago. I suspect that Goule wants the race to be as fast as possible because she is the strongest there. Could we see a pair of 1:59s?


Hopefully this won't get jamboy started on an ongoing pro-Goule/anti-Roesler propaganda agenda ... You'll know he's starting when he says that Natoya Goule was just "jogging" during her Penn Relays split... :wink:
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby jamboy » Fri May 03, 2013 2:42 pm

May not be the right thread. However , did Penn's discontinue th OD womens medley race?

I don't remember seeing it on the Saturday.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby gh » Fri May 03, 2013 2:45 pm

The list of events changes from year to year
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby jamboy » Fri May 03, 2013 3:32 pm

The event has been on the calendar for many many years continously. Jamaica had won this event many years in a row with a stirring anchor leg by Kenia Sinclair.

I am surprised they decided to take it off the schedule.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby Blues » Fri May 03, 2013 5:22 pm

jamboy wrote:The event has been on the calendar for many many years continously. Jamaica had won this event many years in a row with a stirring anchor leg by Kenia Sinclair.

I am surprised they decided to take it off the schedule.


I hated Kenia Sinclair at Penn!... Just kidding, but from 2008 through 2011 she routinely spanked the US anchors in the women's sprint medley, several times running a 1:57.xx leg to the USA's low 2 minute leg, easily overcoming any advantage the US teams might have had at the final exchange.

The USA finally won again in 2012 (with a 2:02.6 anchor by Maggie Vessey) when Kenia Sinclair didn't participate for Jamaica. Great Britain finished second in that race (2:03.4 anchor), with Jamaican third (2:07.4 anchor).
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby jamboy » Fri May 03, 2013 5:51 pm

Blues wrote:
jamboy wrote:The event has been on the calendar for many many years continously. Jamaica had won this event many years in a row with a stirring anchor leg by Kenia Sinclair.

I am surprised they decided to take it off the schedule.


I hated Kenia Sinclair at Penn!... Just kidding, but from 2008 through 2011 she routinely spanked the US anchors in the women's sprint medley, several times running a 1:57.xx leg to the USA's low 2 minute leg, easily overcoming any advantage the US teams might have had at the final exchange.

The USA finally won again in 2012 (with a 2:02.6 anchor by Maggie Vessey) when Kenia Sinclair didn't participate for Jamaica. Great Britain finished second in that race (2:03.4 anchor), with Jamaican third (2:07.4 anchor).



I am suspecting the reason they took the event off the schedule is because Jamaica dominated it over the years. Jamaica only has one decent 800m(Kenia) and thus, we could not field a 4 x 800m field.
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Re: Penn USA vs World w4x8: USA 8:04.31 AR

Postby gh » Fri May 03, 2013 5:56 pm

The people at Penn aren't idiots; they know,given the crowd's demographics, that it's in their best interests to do things that are good for Jamaica.

In this instance, my guess is that they wanted an event that had more appeal with a wider range of countries, to help broaden the truth of the "vs. the world" nature of the billing.
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