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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:17 am

. . . And there were eight men within 2 seconds of that half split, two more within 15 seconds.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:20 am

Priscah Jeptoo 2:20:13.
Edna Kiplagat 2:21:31.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby shivfan » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:21 am

Jeptoo wins, way ahead of the Kiplagats....
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby Tuariki » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:22 am

Jeptoo just missed out by 12 seconds or so on a sub 2:20
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:23 am

Jeptoo's victory caps off a fine week as her training partner, Rita Jeptoo, won Boston
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:28 am

Jeptoo: 71.49/68.26
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:34 am

Gelana is a boss for continuing after being run over bu a wheelchair.

Jeptoo with a good win. And great that Susan Partridge for Great Britain with a World Championships qualifying time
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:37 am

eldanielfire wrote:Gelana is a boss for continuing after being run over by a wheelchair.

2:36:54. That collision did more damage than most of us would have expected.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:39 am

Though slowing, Mutai split 30km at 1.27.49, which is only 11 seconds off the world best for 30km (Makau, Berlin, en-route). Five men pacing at sub-2.04 through 30km.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:41 am

The problem with predicting a WR is that.....if you miss it by just 1 second....or 20 seconds or so......you're considered a failure...and go home disappointed!!!

But the men are putting up a great RACE!!
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:42 am

Stanley Biwott goes to the front, with Emmanuel Mutai giving chase.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:42 am

aaronk wrote:The problem with predicting a WR is that.....if you miss it by just 1 second....or 20 seconds or so......you're considered a failure...and go home disappointed!!!

Unsure which world you live in.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:44 am

CookyMonzta wrote:Stanley Biwott goes to the front, with Emmanuel Mutai giving chase.

Drops Mutai by 6 seconds at 35km.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:46 am

EPelle wrote:
CookyMonzta wrote:Stanley Biwott goes to the front, with Emmanuel Mutai giving chase.

Drops Mutai by 6 seconds at 35km.

Mutai trying to reel him back in. Will he have enough room?
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:47 am

Passed him at 1.47.42
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:49 am

CookyMonzta wrote:
EPelle wrote:
CookyMonzta wrote:Stanley Biwott goes to the front, with Emmanuel Mutai giving chase.

Drops Mutai by 6 seconds at 35km.

Mutai trying to reel him back in. Will he have enough room?

Apparently yes, and then some.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:57 am

14:58 for the 30-35k split. Methinks the men bit off more than they could chew with the below WR pace for the first half. Lots of carnage on the second half ... although they are still motoring along. I wonder if Kebede will move up.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:00 am

Mutai (1.40.47) being chased by Kebede, who's only 28 seconds adrift at 40km
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:01 am

Was that a 16:00 for 35-40k split?! And Kebede moving up.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:02 am

EPelle wrote:Mutai (1.40.47) being chased by Kebede, who's only 28 seconds adrift at 40km

Looks like that lead has been cut in half, or even more. Kebede is on the move.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:06 am

Reminds me of the 1985 NYC Marathon, when Ahmed Salah looked as if he was going to win, and then he cramps out 2 miles from the finish and Orlando Pizzolato took it.

Tsegaye Kebede 2:06:04.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby EPelle » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:07 am

Tsegaye Kebede wins the 2013 London Marathon (his second London victory [2010]) in 2.06.03 (61.36|64.27) over course record-holder Emmanuel Mutai (2.04.40 PB London 2011).

Kebede's PB is 2.05.18, and he'd run a 2.05.19 and 2.05.20 previously at London 2010 and 2009, respectively.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:15 am

Patrick Makau 2:14:10. I imagine Makau and many others are going to get smacked hard when the year-end rankings are released. This is bad enough that even another WR might not be enough for him to rank in the top 3. He'll have to win the World Champs marathon, and at least come thisclose to his WR, in Moscow or anywhere else.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:18 am

Some of those 2:05-2:06 runners should have run a Jason Hartman (or Meb) race.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby lionelp1 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:19 am

They did not race London the way you should race it; even the most experienced screw up, we see. Shame in such pleasant conditions, when a sensible first half should have been the order of the day.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:21 am

In order for a man to run a WR (under 2:03.....since I'm using the 2:03:02 WB here!!)...he needs to....

1. Be capable of running a half-marathon at least 3 minutes faster than his halfway split would be......i.e. under 58:30. This gives him the psychological boost of knowing he can handle a 1:01:30 pace with relative ease.......as a 59:00 or 59:30 guy would have to run inside of 2 minutes of his A-T best at half the distance. Hard to get your mind in gear for that. Too painful....psychologically.

2. Be capable of running under 27:00 for 10K on the track. He'd be running slower.....much slower!!.....pace in the marathon....but track running gives you better pace judgment than road running does!! I'd suggest an interval workout of 20 one milers....with maybe 60 seconds between each one......in 4:40 for each....or faster!!

For these reasons.....these guys who race MAINLY on the roads.....will have a VERY difficult time getting below 2:03:00......or even 2:03:38!!

Just my humble opinion!!
(BTW.....I ran a dozen marathons in my time......MUCH slower than these guys....2:56:02 best......but I KNOW about what's needed psychologically!! At least what I needed!!
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:31 am

lionelp1 wrote:They did not race London the way you should race it; even the most experienced screw up, we see. Shame in such pleasant conditions, when a sensible first half should have been the order of the day.


What's "sensible"??
If your intention is to run 2:03.......then a 1:01:30 first half is right on pace....EXACTLY on pace.
They hit the half in 1:01:34, the announcer said.
Unless you feel that negative splits would be easier!
But how "slow" would you have them go the first half....if they say they want a 2:03??
1:02 or slower??
Then they'd have to pull out a sub 1:01 for the last half!!
(Although Jeptoo ran over three minutes faster in her second half!! :shock: )
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby eldanielfire » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:54 am

Kenyan Marathon winner Jeptoo in surprise statement for a Kenyan in saying "I'm very very happy" after the race.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby nevetsllim » Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:38 am

aaronk wrote:
lionelp1 wrote:They did not race London the way you should race it; even the most experienced screw up, we see. Shame in such pleasant conditions, when a sensible first half should have been the order of the day.


What's "sensible"??
If your intention is to run 2:03.......then a 1:01:30 first half is right on pace....EXACTLY on pace.
They hit the half in 1:01:34, the announcer said.
Unless you feel that negative splits would be easier!
But how "slow" would you have them go the first half....if they say they want a 2:03??
1:02 or slower??
Then they'd have to pull out a sub 1:01 for the last half!!
(Although Jeptoo ran over three minutes faster in her second half!! :shock: )


If your intention is to run 2:03, you don't run through 10km in 28:55 (or whatever the split was).

But let's face it, they were never going to run 2:03. Those sorts of times are run in Berlin or Frankfurt when there isn't that depth of competition which allows them to focus on the clock.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby Master Po » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:16 am

More to discuss about pacing, etc. for ideally fast marathons, but along the way we should give Kebede his due -- he is a great competitor. Look at his career marathon stats (per all-athletics.com):

2007
Amsterdam 2:08:16 (8th)
2008
Paris 2:06:40 (1st)
OG/Beijing 2:10:00 (3rd/bronze)
Fukuoka 2:06:10 (1st)
2009
London 2:05:20 (2nd)
WC/Berlin 2:08:20 (3rd/bronze)
Fukuoka 2:015:18 (1st)
2010
London 2:015:19 (1st)
Chicago 2:06:43 (2nd)
2011
London 2:07:48 (5th)
NYC 2:07:13 (3rd)
2012
London 2:06:52 (3rd)
Chicago 2:04:38 (1st)
2013
London 2:06:03 (1st)

14 marathons -- all in elite level international races: 6 wins; 2 @ 2nd; 4 @ 3rd (including two championship medals). Since his debut, he's finished "outside the medals" only once in 13 other starts. Only one "bad" race -- for him -- was London 2011, when he merely ran a 2:07:48 for 5th. Lots of credit to him today. Running a 2:06 off a 1:01:30 first half, and coming from behind to win, I am sure was difficult.

I will be curious to see if Ethiopia offers him a slot on their WC team. He is 6th on their 2013 list, behind 4@2:04 from Dubai, and Regassa's 2:05 win at Rotterdam.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby lionelp1 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:24 am

nevetsllim wrote:
aaronk wrote:
lionelp1 wrote:They did not race London the way you should race it; even the most experienced screw up, we see. Shame in such pleasant conditions, when a sensible first half should have been the order of the day.


What's "sensible"??
If your intention is to run 2:03.......then a 1:01:30 first half is right on pace....EXACTLY on pace.
They hit the half in 1:01:34, the announcer said.
Unless you feel that negative splits would be easier!
But how "slow" would you have them go the first half....if they say they want a 2:03??
1:02 or slower??
Then they'd have to pull out a sub 1:01 for the last half!!
(Although Jeptoo ran over three minutes faster in her second half!! :shock: )


If your intention is to run 2:03, you don't run through 10km in 28:55 (or whatever the split was).

But let's face it, they were never going to run 2:03. Those sorts of times are run in Berlin or Frankfurt when there isn't that depth of competition which allows them to focus on the clock.


Why the silly talk by Aaronk about a 2.03 as if the athletes discussed it beforehand and thought they could do it on the London course. The fact, to people who know the course and the publicity pressures, is that several world class runners made a mess of their strategy.Just got carried away on the day.Slowest time for a while I think.
I suggest that Aaronk sticks to his expertise on Mary Cain or college boys and girls in the USA :lol:

BTW the essence of the race, as always, is to win as Kebede would point out ; the time does not matter a tinkers cuss, except to certain posters who are sadly obsessed , unhealthily, with times.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby lionelp1 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:41 am

Nobody would have opined, before the start of the race on a pleasant windless day, that the top Kenyans would have performed so poorly. 2.07,2.08 and 2.14 !! As Robert Johnson of Letsrun rightly said the Gods of the Marathon were rightly pissed off by the crazy running of the first half.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby bobguild76 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:51 am

Master Po wrote:More to discuss about pacing, etc. for ideally fast marathons, but along the way we should give Kebede his due -- he is a great competitor.

14 marathons -- all in elite level international races: 6 wins; 2 @ 2nd; 4 @ 3rd (including two championship medals). Since his debut, he's finished "outside the medals" only once in 13 other starts. Only one "bad" race -- for him -- was London 2011, when he merely ran a 2:07:48 for 5th. Lots of credit to him today. Running a 2:06 off a 1:01:30 first half, and coming from behind to win, I am sure was difficult.

. . .

I will be curious to see if Ethiopia offers him a slot on their WC team. He is 6th on their 2013 list, behind 4@2:04 from Dubai, and Regassa's 2:05 win at Rotterdam.


I'm wondering also. Ethiopia would have profited by selecting Kebede for the Olympics. Here's hoping they learn from last year's mistake ... although the lure of a Fall marathon might outweigh the WC for Kebede. The WC just doesn't have the weight of an Olympic marathon.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:02 am

Just goes to show that noone is ready to run 2:03 (let alone break 2:00) when you have perfect weather, pacing, and (greatest field ever).
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby portsea57 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:32 am

They'll have to sort out the problem of wheelchair athletes and runners colliding!
The womens' race surely changed by the incident ... and spoilt!
Haven't the organisers heard of "risk assessment"!
Those wheelchair athletes were certainly not going to take any prisoners!
I'm pretty sure that, at one time, the wheelchair athletes started off well ahead of any runners.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:36 am

Just saw the replay of the collision. No one thought that might happen? Pretty idiotic. Hard to fault the runners.

Never been a big fan of the wheelchair people in marathons. More like cycling.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby aaronk » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:41 am

Conor Dary wrote:Just saw the replay of the collision. No one thought that might happen? Pretty idiotic. Hard to fault the runners.

Never been a big fan of the wheelchair people in marathons. More like cycling.


Don't "pedestrians" (runners, in this case!) always have the "right of way"??

Yep, fault goes to the wheelchair "driver"!!
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:54 pm

Aside from the driving/running aspect he was coming from behind and should be DQed for interfering with another runner from behind. She has no way possible to be looking out for him.

The organizers, hopefully, will recognize their multitude of errors here and correct it for next time.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby CookyMonzta » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:15 pm

26mi235 wrote:Aside from the driving/running aspect he was coming from behind and should be DQed for interfering with another runner from behind. She has no way possible to be looking out for him.

The organizers, hopefully, will recognize their multitude of errors here and correct it for next time.

Maybe next year they'll run all of the wheelchair races before the elite women's race. That is what I think Boston, Chicago and New York do. Bad move to send them off after the women.
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Re: London Marathon Thread

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:51 pm

Those various traffic islands make it harder for the runners and WCs to be in the same vicinity.
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