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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Mon May 06, 2013 5:40 pm

DentyCracker wrote:DQ is meet dir. at JII. Glen Mills is Bolt's coach. Those who know, know what I say. That's all I have to say about that bit of commess.


Not a secret. Both meet diretor Quarrie and Coach Mills had a huge public blowout last year and thus, Bolt's injury just for the meet is no surprise.

Now the real question is, is Blake "really injured?
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby ExCoastRanger » Mon May 06, 2013 5:43 pm

26mi235 wrote:Why bother with quasi-conspiracy theories here with Bolt. The posters on this board are generally above that and a single mention is enough rather than 27 posts about the possible machinations...

[Also, it was pretty clear that Gay was a replacement for injured stars, not the cause of them skipping the meet.]


Well yeah. I apologize for my small part. Couldn't resist. Sometimes it's just so easy....
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby DentyCracker » Mon May 06, 2013 6:50 pm

jamboy wrote:
DentyCracker wrote:DQ is meet dir. at JII. Glen Mills is Bolt's coach. Those who know, know what I say. That's all I have to say about that bit of commess.


Not a secret. Both meet diretor Quarrie and Coach Mills had a huge public blowout last year and thus, Bolt's injury just for the meet is no surprise.

Now the real question is, is Blake "really injured?

Blake is hurt, but not too badly. The camp is taking no chances.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Mon May 06, 2013 7:13 pm

DentyCracker wrote:
jamboy wrote:
DentyCracker wrote:DQ is meet dir. at JII. Glen Mills is Bolt's coach. Those who know, know what I say. That's all I have to say about that bit of commess.


Not a secret. Both meet diretor Quarrie and Coach Mills had a huge public blowout last year and thus, Bolt's injury just for the meet is no surprise.

Now the real question is, is Blake "really injured?

Blake is hurt, but not too badly. The camp is taking no chances.


Can I see that MRI just to make sure :D
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby eldanielfire » Mon May 06, 2013 9:55 pm

mump boy wrote:To clarify, my point wasn't that Bolt hadn't lost in 6 years (he has and a FS is a loss) it was that he hasn't lost to Gay. Apparently i was wrong and he did lose a race in '10 !! something i have no recollection of


Here's the reminder:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBtj7B93ffU

Even so, it doesn't negate my point that it is impossible to even comment on Gay's ability to win in Moscow before anyone else, with mahousively more impressive claims, have even competed


It isn't impossible to comment, all the guys who are likely medallists all tend to start the season at a certain pace and get faster. If somebody, like Gay here, starts off in obviously better than usual form, then people can start formulating the picture for Moscow. That doesn't mean it will be accurate in 5 months time but it's a starting piece of evidence that will initiate the picture, which will change as the year progresses. What's the pint of a message board discussion if people can't use races to speculate using whatever measurements and evidence that they can? It's half the fun.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 06, 2013 10:21 pm

I was thinking of a somewhat similar reply -- good thing I did not because you brought more to the table than I would have.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby Daisy » Mon May 06, 2013 10:25 pm

eldanielfire wrote:What's the point of a message board discussion if people can't use races to speculate using whatever measurements and evidence that they can? It's half the fun.


Last year Tyson opened with a 10.00 at Adidas Grand Prix. He ran 9.80 in the London final. So in Moscow he will run 9.66. Bolt will probably false start since he'll be so anxious to get away quickly. Assuming he makes it out of the semi-finals. :wink:
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby nicest person ever » Mon May 06, 2013 10:52 pm

edit: nevermind... sigh...
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Tue May 07, 2013 5:44 am

Daisy wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:What's the point of a message board discussion if people can't use races to speculate using whatever measurements and evidence that they can? It's half the fun.


Last year Tyson opened with a 10.00 at Adidas Grand Prix. He ran 9.80 in the London final. So in Moscow he will run 9.66. Bolt will probably false start since he'll be so anxious to get away quickly. Assuming he makes it out of the semi-finals. :wink:



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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue May 07, 2013 7:34 am

Well, maybe it won't happen again; however, I bet you never thought it would happen the first time. I, on the other hand did think it would happen the first time. However, I was also aware that if I posted that I would be flamed etc. Thus, I sent a PM to one of the sprint-oriented posters saying why I thought it might happen.

Given similar circumstances I think it less likely to happen because I think that they will have addressed some of the reasons why it occurred. I do not think that it is that likely to happen, but if both Gay and Blake are running 9.6s and Gay is a little off his game like he was that year in the 100 it is not beyond the pale.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby blinger » Tue May 07, 2013 8:44 am

i have to ask why is there so much squabbling about who will win gold in moscow ? the season as just begun and this is not the first time gay as run a splendid time early in a season and a world championship year and what was the result in the championshps? bolt won.a fit tyson and a fit bolt, bolt will always win remember usain stride lenght will take him to the front of the field even if he is behind don't you guys ever forget this,and as for blake he is a monster beast and is top end speed is ahead of tyson's and if he continues to start like how he was starting at the last part of the season 2012 neither gay nor gatlin will beat him.and let me inform you guys about something blake is ok and bolt too you don't know the type of politics going on between their camp and a certain big official in track and field from jamaica so all who think they are injured and will not be at their best you are going to be surprised they are more dangerous than ever before beware!!!!
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Tue May 07, 2013 9:03 am

blinger wrote:i have to ask why is there so much squabbling about who will win gold in moscow ? the season as just begun and this is not the first time gay as run a splendid time early in a season and a world championship year and what was the result in the championshps? bolt won.a fit tyson and a fit bolt, bolt will always win remember usain stride lenght will take him to the front of the field even if he is behind don't you guys ever forget this,and as for blake he is a monster beast and is top end speed is ahead of tyson's and if he continues to start like how he was starting at the last part of the season 2012 neither gay nor gatlin will beat him.and let me inform you guys about something blake is ok and bolt too you don't know the type of politics going on between their camp and a certain big official in track and field from jamaica so all who think they are injured and will not be at their best you are going to be surprised they are more dangerous than ever before beware!!!!



Tell it to them. Lots of politricking going on in track and field JA. :D
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby toyracer » Tue May 07, 2013 9:49 am

blinger wrote:and as for blake he is a monster beast and is top end speed is ahead of tyson's


is there any evidence to support this claim?
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Tue May 07, 2013 9:52 am

toyracer wrote:
blinger wrote:and as for blake he is a monster beast and is top end speed is ahead of tyson's


is there any evidence to support this claim?



This is clearly evidenced in the 200m especially when Blake ran 19.26 in Brussels in 2011.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue May 07, 2013 9:59 am

Boy that was impressive-- to the question about top-end speed you reply with the time in an event that does not generate the top speeds of the 100.

There may be some evidence, but the first attempt provides nothing on the question at hand.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby ZELLGADISS » Tue May 07, 2013 10:05 am

Well i think that Blake in shape like in 2012, trials-London-Lausanne, his top end speed is superior to Gay i think.
Of course this year Gay will be better that in 2012 with few pre-season, but Blake is great too.
I dont see so sure that Gay 100% defeat to Blake 100%.
And if Bolt is 100% or 95% he will win sure.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby marknhj » Tue May 07, 2013 11:20 am

Daisy wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:What's the point of a message board discussion if people can't use races to speculate using whatever measurements and evidence that they can? It's half the fun.


Last year Tyson opened with a 10.00 at Adidas Grand Prix. He ran 9.80 in the London final. So in Moscow he will run 9.66. Bolt will probably false start since he'll be so anxious to get away quickly. Assuming he makes it out of the semi-finals. :wink:


You forgot to factor in that Gay was basically jogging the first 50m at the weekend.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby BCBaroo » Tue May 07, 2013 1:16 pm

I believe we can attribute everything to Tyson's new hairstyle. Sort of a yarmulke meets Kid n Play?
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Tue May 07, 2013 1:21 pm

ZELLGADISS wrote:Well i think that Blake in shape like in 2012, trials-London-Lausanne, his top end speed is superior to Gay i think.
Of course this year Gay will be better that in 2012 with few pre-season, but Blake is great too.
I dont see so sure that Gay 100% defeat to Blake 100%.
And if Bolt is 100% or 95% he will win sure.


"I think" is not very strong in the evidence characteristic. The question is: what evidence do you bring up to make the point that Blake's top end is better than Gay's top end. The first item posited was irrelevant because it brought in a 200 time that is excellent (more excellent than Gay's great 200 time) but that says nothing about top-end speed because top-end speed does not get used in the 200 (peak speeds in 200s are systematically less than in the 100). The second item consistent of "I think..." which is singularly lacking in evidence.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby gh » Tue May 07, 2013 1:22 pm

jamboy wrote:
toyracer wrote:
blinger wrote:and as for blake he is a monster beast and is top end speed is ahead of tyson's


is there any evidence to support this claim?



This is clearly evidenced in the 200m especially when Blake ran 19.26 in Brussels in 2011.


Since nobody runs at a higher speed than they do around 60-70 meters, this answer couldn't be more wrong. Blake being faster than Gay in the 200 only proves that his speed decay is less in the longer sprint.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby ZELLGADISS » Tue May 07, 2013 2:15 pm

Well for to make 9.69 -0.1 in Lausanne, i think that it shows that Blake has very good top end speed, SURE
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby gh » Tue May 07, 2013 2:22 pm

ZELLGADISS wrote:Marlow but IAAF tells rules, WRS, materials for tracks,..
They are the most important organization.
Who dont want see it, is blind really.

And if IAAF in a article comments that no loss for Bolt in that race, i dont think that im telling nothing stupid.
Bolt lost with Powell, with Gay and with Blake in trials, it is sure.
In Daegu lost with Blake,Collins,Lemaitre,... with everybody?No.

Nobody go change my opinion, and i repeat that other sites and articles IAAF think same, so i dont think that im mad :lol:

End of the theme :wink:


you mean this IAAF? (from the DL Fantasy thread)

<<And we still don't know whether they count 8 or 9? This is amazing, the IAAF still can't spell out the rules without confusing us!>> :mrgreen:
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Tue May 07, 2013 3:38 pm

ZELLGADISS wrote:Well for to make 9.69 -0.1 in Lausanne, i think that it shows that Blake has very good top end speed, SURE


Yes versus Tyson's 9.69 with a 2.0 wind.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby bignate88 » Tue May 07, 2013 4:21 pm

jamboy wrote:
ZELLGADISS wrote:Well for to make 9.69 -0.1 in Lausanne, i think that it shows that Blake has very good top end speed, SURE


Yes versus Tyson's 9.69 with a 2.0 wind.

9.69 represents an average speed: It still doesnt indicate who has more top end speed. Plus those two races were run completely different from each other
If you were to find 10m splits for Blake's and Gay's 9.69 and compare them, that would suffice. Otherwise, it's speculation
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby Daisy » Tue May 07, 2013 6:45 pm

marknhj wrote:You forgot to factor in that Gay was basically jogging the first 50m at the weekend.

Initially I was skeptical, but I looked again and I think you're right. So possibly a sub 9.5 is on the cards. Makes you wonder if Bolt and Blake will skip Moscow this year.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby bignate88 » Tue May 07, 2013 6:57 pm

Daisy wrote:
marknhj wrote:You forgot to factor in that Gay was basically jogging the first 50m at the weekend.

Initially I was skeptical, but I looked again and I think you're right. So possibly a sub 9.5 is on the cards. Makes you wonder if Bolt and Blake will skip Moscow this year.

:lol: :lol:
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby tm71 » Tue May 07, 2013 10:23 pm

Last year Tyson opened with a 10.00 at Adidas Grand Prix. He ran 9.80 in the London final. So in Moscow he will run 9.66. Bolt will probably false start since he'll be so anxious to get away quickly. Assuming he makes it out of the semi-finals/

logic would point to that, but sometimes there is no logic in sports or life in general. assuming that gay stays health all season he can certainly improve a tenth or two. however, we have to remember that he is turning 31 this year. gatlin is always going to be 31. the elite american sprinters are aging and few are young and upcoming. well the 100 meter final in moscow is over three months away, still a long way out.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby lionelp1 » Tue May 07, 2013 10:57 pm

Daisy wrote:
marknhj wrote:You forgot to factor in that Gay was basically jogging the first 50m at the weekend.

Initially I was skeptical, but I looked again and I think you're right. So possibly a sub 9.5 is on the cards. Makes you wonder if Bolt and Blake will skip Moscow this year.


I assume 100% you are having a glorious laugh at the expense of the posters whose comments about Gay are risible.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby lionelp1 » Tue May 07, 2013 11:05 pm

26mi235 wrote:Well, maybe it won't happen again; however, I bet you never thought it would happen the first time. I, on the other hand did think it would happen the first time. However, I was also aware that if I posted that I would be flamed etc. Thus, I sent a PM to one of the sprint-oriented posters saying why I thought it might happen.

Given similar circumstances I think it less likely to happen because I think that they will have addressed some of the reasons why it occurred. I do not think that it is that likely to happen, but if both Gay and Blake are running 9.6s and Gay is a little off his game like he was that year in the 100 it is not beyond the pale.

And why, pray, should Gay and Blake be running 9.6s in 3 months time. Blake couldnt do it last year in London in the fastest of 100m races, and Gay may or may very well not be there in Moscow with his history; what Gay is doing now is utterly irrelevant to Moscow in August. In any event, if Bolt is fit, then in the very unlikely chance that Gay can get into the 9.6s Bolt will still beat him. Gays 9.71 in 2009 is a while ago.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby lionelp1 » Tue May 07, 2013 11:09 pm

BCBaroo wrote:I believe we can attribute everything to Tyson's new hairstyle. Sort of a yarmulke meets Kid n Play?


:lol: :lol:
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby EPelle » Wed May 08, 2013 12:00 am

lionelp1 wrote:And why, pray, should Gay and Blake be running 9.6s in 3 months time. Blake couldnt do it last year in London in the fastest of 100m races, and Gay may or may very well not be there in Moscow with his history; what Gay is doing now is utterly irrelevant to Moscow in August. In any event, if Bolt is fit, then in the very unlikely chance that Gay can get into the 9.6s Bolt will still beat him. Gays 9.71 in 2009 is a while ago.

One of the most important factors to take into consideration when viewing Gay's form versus previous seasons is Gay's training regime this season. He's not blowing the doors off in training. This new approach is aimed at getting him the staying power not afforded him in previous seasons. Gay ran 9,8 with slower training runs. It makes perfect sense that he'd improve with greater training intensity at the right time of the season.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby ZELLGADISS » Wed May 08, 2013 2:20 am

bignate88 wrote:
jamboy wrote:
ZELLGADISS wrote:Well for to make 9.69 -0.1 in Lausanne, i think that it shows that Blake has very good top end speed, SURE


Yes versus Tyson's 9.69 with a 2.0 wind.

9.69 represents an average speed: It still doesnt indicate who has more top end speed. Plus those two races were run completely different from each other
If you were to find 10m splits for Blake's and Gay's 9.69 and compare them, that would suffice. Otherwise, it's speculation


Im not totally sure that Blake has better top end speed than Gay, i told that im sure that Blake has very good top end speed.
To make 9.69 without wind, you tell average speed, but it is not totally true.
Hardly Blake made less 6.35 at 60m, he had great start but no so fast like Bolt or Powell.
So his final 40 metres probably were 3.34 or less and i repeat, without WIND.
You will tell speculation, i tell experience(is impossible that Blake made 6.32 or 6.30)

I dont understand the people defense to Gay and tells that he is sure faster that Blake.
The top end speed of Blake is really great.
And of course the top end speed of Bolt does not have rival if he is healthy and in good shape 8-)
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Wed May 08, 2013 7:18 am

ZELLGADISS wrote:I dont understand the people defense to Gay and tells that he is sure faster that Blake.
The top end speed of Blake is really great.
And of course the top end speed of Bolt does not have rival if he is healthy and in good shape 8-)


I think that there is a problem with understanding the posters here, possibly because defensive blinders are on. The claim was made that Blake had faster top-end speed, which several posters, including myself, responded to by asking for evidence (and got virtually none). I did not claim Gay's top-end speed was greater, just that I am not certain the Blake's is. I suggest you go back through and see how that question evolved and see if you are reacting etc. That might keep you from getting defensive about the superiority of the Jamaican sprinters.
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tyson top end to yohans top end

Postby blinger » Wed May 08, 2013 8:52 am

if you want proof watch back the 100m olympics finals tyson gay and gatlin came out of the blocks quicker than blake blake caught them at 60m they pressed on him again at 90m and his top end took him away again to victory,all this argument will be settled soon watch back those last dl races late last year and you can get your answers too.blake is very strong and he as been working on his stride lenght for this season and if he gets it right and plus his start that he was displaying in his 9.69 and 9.76 with the latter causing tyson gay to false start knowing that blake's top end is better he tried to get a head start and false started.not to take anything away from tyson gay he is one of my favorite athlete but seeing him run so fast so early does not make him the already winner of the 100m in moscow he will be a factor for sure.i would like to see a dream clash bolt gay blake gatlin powell ryan bailey dix and carter or rogers in brussels over 100m or laussaun later this year that would be a cracker with that been said i think we will be seeing a few 9.7s this year lets wish all the athletes good health.
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Re: tyson top end to yohans top end

Postby bignate88 » Wed May 08, 2013 9:34 am

blinger wrote:if you want proof watch back the 100m olympics finals tyson gay and gatlin came out of the blocks quicker than blake blake caught them at 60m they pressed on him again at 90m and his top end took him away again to victory,all this argument will be settled soon watch back those last dl races late last year and you can get your answers too.blake is very strong and he as been working on his stride lenght for this season and if he gets it right and plus his start that he was displaying in his 9.69 and 9.76 with the latter causing tyson gay to false start knowing that blake's top end is better he tried to get a head start and false started.not to take anything away from tyson gay he is one of my favorite athlete but seeing him run so fast so early does not make him the already winner of the 100m in moscow he will be a factor for sure.i would like to see a dream clash bolt gay blake gatlin powell ryan bailey dix and carter or rogers in brussels over 100m or laussaun later this year that would be a cracker with that been said i think we will be seeing a few 9.7s this year lets wish all the athletes good health.

You still haven't given any solid proof. As was stated earlier, if we can get some 10m splits on the FASTEST runs of Gay and Blake and compare, that could very well show who has more top end. For example, IAAF's biomechanical analysis of Berlin 100m final showed that Bolt and Gay hits speeds of over 44kph, Bolt recording the faster of the two.

But you're right, let's not give out medals prematurely. We'll see how the season unfolds
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Wed May 08, 2013 9:44 am

The only thing that matters is where each will finish on the medal stand.

The top two spots have been reserved for Bolt and Blake :D
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby bignate88 » Wed May 08, 2013 9:46 am

That's if they can cash the check for that exclusive reservation :D
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Re: tyson top end to yohans top end

Postby Grasshopper » Wed May 08, 2013 10:03 am

bignate88 wrote:You still haven't given any solid proof. As was stated earlier, if we can get some 10m splits on the FASTEST runs of Gay and Blake and compare, that could very well show who has more top end. For example, IAAF's biomechanical analysis of Berlin 100m final showed that Bolt and Gay hits speeds of over 44kph, Bolt recording the faster of the two.

But you're right, let's not give out medals prematurely. We'll see how the season unfolds

Here's some links to sites with data on the splits for many championship 100m races:
http://berlin.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Development/Research/05/30/83/20090817081546_httppostedfile_wch09_m100_final_13529.pdf
http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/splits/splits.html
http://www.sportsscientists.com/2008/08/beijing-2008-men-100m-race-analysis.html
- In Bolt's 9.69 race in Beijing, his fastest 10m split was .82 and his fastest 20m split was 1.64.
- In Bolt's 9.58 race in Berlin there were no 10m splits taken, but his fastest 20m split was 1.61 (.805 avg).
- In Gay's 9.71 race in Berlin there were no 10m splits take, but his fastest 20m split was 1.63 (.815 avg).
- In Carl Lewis' 9.86 race in Tokyo his fastest 10m split was .83 and his fastest 20m split was 1.67 (.835 avg).
- In Maurice Greene's 9.80 race in Seville his fastest 10m split was "only" .84 and his fastest 20m split was "only" 1.69 (.845 avg).
I'm not aware of any splits available for Blake's fastest races. It is possible, though, that someone can run a faster overall 100m time with an inferior top-speed if their acceleration and/or speed-endurance are superior (as in Greene's 9.80 race in Seville versus Lewis' 9.86 race in Tokyo).
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby gh » Wed May 08, 2013 10:29 am

what those few splits show is that in terms of actual top-end speed, where you're talking about a difference of several 100ths of a second over 10 meters, the actual mph/mps figures are so small as to be insignificant; it's the ability pile on those 100ths over many segments that makes the difference.

It's the most classic optical illusion in our sport: somebody "kicking" (or moving into top gear, or whatever imagery you choose) at the end of a 100 or 200, when in reality it's just the superior sprinters slowing down less.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby bignate88 » Wed May 08, 2013 11:12 am

gh wrote:what those few splits show is that in terms of actual top-end speed, where you're talking about a difference of several 100ths of a second over 10 meters, the actual mph/mps figures are so small as to be insignificant; it's the ability pile on those 100ths over many segments that makes the difference.

It's the most classic optical illusion in our sport: somebody "kicking" (or moving into top gear, or whatever imagery you choose) at the end of a 100 or 200, when in reality it's just the superior sprinters slowing down less.

As 'insignificant' it may be, it still points to what speeds these runners are in fact approaching. Surely the analysts won't go the lengths of measuring, say, 1m or 5m segments, lol
But for the sake of calculating top end, it has it's place

But you're right, in the context of the actual race, it's maintaining these speeds over many meters that really matters.
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