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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby eldanielfire » Sun May 05, 2013 1:46 am

Gay genuinely looks to be back in top form, 9.86 at this stage of the season is amazing, the man who can challenge Bolt is back.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby ZELLGADISS » Sun May 05, 2013 1:56 am

I go tell 9.7 low for Gay this season with normal wind and possible 9.6 hight with very strong wind.
We will see like he is in 200.
In the last years when he made 200, after he gets injuries :(
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th

Postby mump boy » Sun May 05, 2013 2:26 am

jamboy wrote:Great run by Jamaican Stephanie McPerson beating the 2008 Olympic Champion Ohuruougu.


TBO opens with 50.58 :o unheard of

She means BUSINESS in 2013 :D
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby olorin » Sun May 05, 2013 3:13 am

The sixth time that an athlete run sub 9.9 before the 10/05.
The full list:
1 9.76 1.8 Usain Bolt 03.05.2008
2 9.82 1.8 Usain Bolt 05.05.2012
3 9.84 0.5 Yohan Blake 09.05.2012
4 9.84 1.8 Asafa Powell 07.05.2005
5 9.86 1.8 Ato Boldon 19.04.1998
6 9.86 0.2 Tyson Gay 04.05.2013
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th

Postby 18.99s » Sun May 05, 2013 4:55 am

jamboy wrote:Jamaica had 4 guys under 20.00 last year(Bolt, Blake, Weir and Young). Ashmeade is a safe bet to make #5 in 2013.


Jamaica had 5 guys under 19.9 last year, including Ashmeade.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th

Postby jamboy » Sun May 05, 2013 5:35 am

eldanielfire wrote:
jamboy wrote:All the athletes agree running in Jamaica is one of the best stops on the track circuit.



They always say this about most meets, especially those in Britain!


No they don't and I watch every track meet and every interview.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th

Postby t_monk » Sun May 05, 2013 5:50 am

jamboy wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
jamboy wrote:All the athletes agree running in Jamaica is one of the best stops on the track circuit.



They always say this about most meets, especially those in Britain!


No they don't and I watch every track meet and every interview.


I disagree with you. Athletes always say that.

Whenever the commentator/interviewer asks they always claim they love running in (insert country here). I am sure meet directors/agents would not be too pleased if (when asked) an agent said they disliked running in (insert country they are currently competing in here). That's just bad press for the meet in general, mess up their fan base and could also jeopardize said athlete getting an invite to the meet the next year.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby JumboElliott » Sun May 05, 2013 5:51 am

olorin wrote:The sixth time that an athlete run sub 9.9 before the 10/05.
The full list:
1 9.76 1.8 Usain Bolt 03.05.2008
2 9.82 1.8 Usain Bolt 05.05.2012
3 9.84 0.5 Yohan Blake 09.05.2012
4 9.84 1.8 Asafa Powell 07.05.2005
5 9.86 1.8 Ato Boldon 19.04.1998
6 9.86 0.2 Tyson Gay 04.05.2013

When you factor in wind, Tyson's time is third fastest of those behind Bolt in 2008 and Blake last year.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th

Postby gh » Sun May 05, 2013 6:08 am

t_monk wrote:
jamboy wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
jamboy wrote:All the athletes agree running in Jamaica is one of the best stops on the track circuit.



They always say this about most meets, especially those in Britain!


No they don't and I watch every track meet and every interview.


I disagree with you. Athletes always say that.

Whenever the commentator/interviewer asks they always claim they love running in (insert country here). I am sure meet directors/agents would not be too pleased if (when asked) an agent said they disliked running in (insert country they are currently competing in here). That's just bad press for the meet in general, mess up their fan base and could also jeopardize said athlete getting an invite to the meet the next year.


This is also a function of the agenda that the interviewer might have. A few years back one of the major meets in the U.S. was noted (by those who paid attention to such things) for being sure to ask every athlete how they liked the meet, and then also to ask, "what's it like to run here rather t han at [rival meet held on same weekend' and the athletes were always polite/dutiful enough to answer that they loved running at the interviewer's meet.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby lionelp1 » Sun May 05, 2013 7:25 am

eldanielfire wrote:Gay genuinely looks to be back in top form, 9.86 at this stage of the season is amazing, the man who can challenge Bolt is back.


Gay can challenge Bolt, but won't beat him when both are at their best. At least we can hope that they meet during the season and/or in Moscow. 9.86 is fine, but lets see a 9.63 from Gay some time.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th

Postby jjimbojames » Sun May 05, 2013 7:55 am

t_monk wrote:
jamboy wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:
jamboy wrote:All the athletes agree running in Jamaica is one of the best stops on the track circuit.



They always say this about most meets, especially those in Britain!


No they don't and I watch every track meet and every interview.


I disagree with you. Athletes always say that.

Whenever the commentator/interviewer asks they always claim they love running in (insert country here). I am sure meet directors/agents would not be too pleased if (when asked) an agent said they disliked running in (insert country they are currently competing in here). That's just bad press for the meet in general, mess up their fan base and could also jeopardize said athlete getting an invite to the meet the next year.

This, all day long!
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby pesmerga » Sun May 05, 2013 9:09 am

The race from VCB reminded me of Shanghai 2008. She got an awful start as well and finished very strong. The time was even the same I believe with 11.01
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby JRM » Sun May 05, 2013 11:24 am

JumboElliott wrote:
olorin wrote:The sixth time that an athlete run sub 9.9 before the 10/05.
The full list:
1 9.76 1.8 Usain Bolt 03.05.2008
2 9.82 1.8 Usain Bolt 05.05.2012
3 9.84 0.5 Yohan Blake 09.05.2012
4 9.84 1.8 Asafa Powell 07.05.2005
5 9.86 1.8 Ato Boldon 19.04.1998
6 9.86 0.2 Tyson Gay 04.05.2013

When you factor in wind, Tyson's time is third fastest of those behind Bolt in 2008 and Blake last year.


Technically tied for second:

9.84 (0.5) = 9.866 = 9.87
9.86 (0.2) = 9.870
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 12:44 pm

The 'best' three marks are in the same ballpark, the other three are a bit back. There are likely some 'low-wind' times that are as good as [4]/[5]/[6]

[1]1 9.86/9.76 1.8 Usain Bolt 03.05.2008
[2]3 9.87/9.84 0.5 Yohan Blake 09.05.2012
[2]6 9.87/9.86 0.2 Tyson Gay 04.05.2013

[4]2 9.92/9.82 1.8 Usain Bolt 05.05.2012
[5]4 9.94/9.84 1.8 Asafa Powell 07.05.2005
[6]5 9.96/9.86 1.8 Ato Boldon 19.04.1998
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby nicest person ever » Sun May 05, 2013 1:38 pm

26mi235 wrote:The 'best' three marks are in the same ballpark, the other three are a bit back. There are likely some 'low-wind' times that are as good as [4]/[5]/[6]

[1]1 9.86/9.76 1.8 Usain Bolt 03.05.2008
[2]3 9.87/9.84 0.5 Yohan Blake 09.05.2012
[2]6 9.87/9.86 0.2 Tyson Gay 04.05.2013

[4]2 9.92/9.82 1.8 Usain Bolt 05.05.2012
[5]4 9.94/9.84 1.8 Asafa Powell 07.05.2005
[6]5 9.96/9.86 1.8 Ato Boldon 19.04.1998


Let's not forget some headwind times that are on par with the leaders of this pack:

For example:

Nesta Carter on April 17th 2010 ran 10.24 into a (-5.0) headwind which converts to 9.87, tying for 2nd with Blake and Gay, and a few weeks earlier in the year than them too.

This is a result that people will tend to overlook when quickly scanning their stats sheets because the actual-result time itself was so high (10.24), so unless people are careful to look for marks with strong headwinds, they will overlook it.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby JRM » Sun May 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Sun May 05, 2013 1:55 pm

JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.


Please clarify your statement. You mean the US 100m title.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby ZELLGADISS » Sun May 05, 2013 2:31 pm

If Bolt is more or less in shape and healthy should have no trouble for gold although Gay is 100%

JRM perhaps you would want tell it? :)
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Sun May 05, 2013 3:51 pm

nicest person ever wrote:Nesta Carter on April 17th 2010 ran 10.24 into a (-5.0) headwind which converts to 9.87, tying for 2nd with Blake and Gay, and a few weeks earlier in the year than them too.

This is a result that people will tend to overlook when quickly scanning their stats sheets because the actual-result time itself was so high (10.24), so unless people are careful to look for marks with strong headwinds, they will overlook it.


Very good. I will note though that big negative values can be misleading - not real uncommon for the wind at the gauge being freer flow than on the track, especially lanes close to the stands. Also, the data are thinner and empirically based results might not provide reliable conversions -- gh?
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby bignate88 » Sun May 05, 2013 6:22 pm

JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.

Well he's definitely capable, but a challenge from Blake and Bolt(provided they're healthy) can't be ignored.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Sun May 05, 2013 6:39 pm

bignate88 wrote:
JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.

Well he's definitely capable, but a challenge from Blake and Bolt(provided they're healthy) can't be ignored.


Tyson will be no higher than third in Moscow. If he remain healthy, I predict he will get the bronze over Gatlin.

Gatlin however needs to learn to lean. He rarely does.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby Daisy » Sun May 05, 2013 6:43 pm

jamboy wrote:
JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.

Please clarify your statement. You mean the US 100m title.

I doubt it. JRM is thinking Moscow. Bolt has not looked very sharp this year. No doubt his advertising commitments are catching up to him. Not training as regularly, or as hard. Eating too much junk food and staying up late. It's pretty clear that this year will be a year off for him.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby bignate88 » Sun May 05, 2013 7:03 pm

jamboy wrote:
bignate88 wrote:
JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.

Well he's definitely capable, but a challenge from Blake and Bolt(provided they're healthy) can't be ignored.


Tyson will be no higher than third in Moscow. If he remain healthy, I predict he will get the bronze over Gatlin.

Gatlin however needs to learn to lean. He rarely does.

I'm telling you now: Bolt and Blake are NOT a lock for Gold and silver in Moscow. Tyson Gay can very well claim the gold this year even with the Jamaicans in top shape.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Sun May 05, 2013 7:25 pm

bignate88 wrote:
jamboy wrote:
bignate88 wrote:
JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.

Well he's definitely capable, but a challenge from Blake and Bolt(provided they're healthy) can't be ignored.


Tyson will be no higher than third in Moscow. If he remain healthy, I predict he will get the bronze over Gatlin.

Gatlin however needs to learn to lean. He rarely does.

I'm telling you now: Bolt and Blake are NOT a lock for Gold and silver in Moscow. Tyson Gay can very well claim the gold this year even with the Jamaicans in top shape.


I'll definitely not anything your smoking :D

In 2009, Bolt was involved in a major car crash, injured his foot, lost weeks of training. Don't let me remind you guys what he did in Berlin.

Bolt and Blake will be fine come Moscow. Guaranteed. 1-2 on the podium.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Sun May 05, 2013 7:27 pm

Daisy wrote:
jamboy wrote:
JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.

Please clarify your statement. You mean the US 100m title.

I doubt it. JRM is thinking Moscow. Bolt has not looked very sharp this year. No doubt his advertising commitments are catching up to him. Not training as regularly, or as hard. Eating too much junk food and staying up late. It's pretty clear that this year will be a year off for him.


It will not be a year off. Bolt has always eaten junk food and has said that people shouldn't follow what he eats. Bolt parties hard and works out even harder on the track. He has always been this way.

He didn't look sharp at the trials last year. Don't let me remind you what he did a few weeks later in London.

Bolt will be fine.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th

Postby rainy.here » Sun May 05, 2013 7:50 pm

mump boy wrote:Apparently a damp track means really fast times :?


If it has been raining the air density decreases and can lead to fast times.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby JRM » Sun May 05, 2013 8:15 pm

jamboy wrote:In 2009, Bolt was involved in a major car crash, injured his foot, lost weeks of training. Don't let me remind you guys what he did in Berlin.


In 2009, Bolt was four years younger.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby jamboy » Sun May 05, 2013 8:58 pm

JRM wrote:
jamboy wrote:In 2009, Bolt was involved in a major car crash, injured his foot, lost weeks of training. Don't let me remind you guys what he did in Berlin.


In 2009, Bolt was four years younger.



Bolt will be 26 this year and still in his prime .
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby bignate88 » Sun May 05, 2013 9:04 pm

jamboy wrote:
bignate88 wrote:
jamboy wrote:
Tyson will be no higher than third in Moscow. If he remain healthy, I predict he will get the bronze over Gatlin.

Gatlin however needs to learn to lean. He rarely does.

I'm telling you now: Bolt and Blake are NOT a lock for Gold and silver in Moscow. Tyson Gay can very well claim the gold this year even with the Jamaicans in top shape.


I'll definitely not anything your smoking :D

In 2009, Bolt was involved in a major car crash, injured his foot, lost weeks of training. Don't let me remind you guys what he did in Berlin.

Bolt and Blake will be fine come Moscow. Guaranteed. 1-2 on the podium.

Hogwash! That crash had NO adverse effects on his fitness. The story was used to sensationalize his 2009 feats. Bottom line.
A REAL reason would be the fact that TG had a groin issue in 09 AND had to lay off some of his strength training for quite some time, and still managed to run 9.71.
A healthy Tyson is the only one right now who can actually challenge Bolt or Blake for the gold, but your pride won't let you admit it and I understand. We all our favorites. But the reality is, there are NO GUARANTEES as it stands
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby nicest person ever » Sun May 05, 2013 9:23 pm

JRM wrote:In 2009, Bolt was four years younger.


This seems like a rather poor counter-argument to me. The prime age for 100m sprinters usually seems to be somewhere in the 25-28 age range. Bolt is right in the middle of it. If anything, the argument you are making is perfectly backwards, as in, it could be used in the opposite way (that it is a BENEFIT to him to be 4 years older now, because he was still too young at that point and not really in his true physiological prime as a sprinter yet.

I mean, look, I'm an American, born and raised, and have no association whatsoever with Jamaica, and I obviously find some of Jamboy's posts to be pretty blindly pro-Jamaican/anti-American to a rather ridiculous extent at times, BUT, that said, I'm not going to just throw logic out the window just to try to take sides against any position Jamboy ever takes. In this particular case, Jamboy is in the right, imo, to say that Bolt and Blake will probably be very serious threats in Moscow if they are healthy. It is indeed true that the types of arguments people are making about this looking like "clearly and off year for Bolt" were made, in basically identical fashion, if not MORE severe fashion, in previous seasons in which Bolt then went on to do unthinkable things in the championship settings, going 9.5x or 9.6x when people were suspecting he would be defeated.

Do I want to be wrong, and for Gay to run a 9.5x WR PR in the 100m finals in Moscow and beat Bolt by a hundredth in the race of the century? YES! But do I think it is logical, at the moment, to just flat out count out Bolt and Blake and say it looks like the title is currently Gay's to lose just based on this one 9.8x run of his in May? No. I think he has a real CHANCE at getting gold. But I don't think he's the favorite, and definitely not some sort of obvious pick the way people are making it out to be in this thread.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby lionelp1 » Sun May 05, 2013 10:47 pm

Clearly an ""off year for Bolt" What planet have some of you guys descended from?

The year has not started by May 6th and 3 full months to the WC.. What has Bolt done in serious comp this year. Nothing yet apart from some fun in Rio over 150m.
I luv to read to the weird stuff here about the two best sprinters in the world being challenged by Gay, but who is, sadly, as likely to be injured by the WC as not.
All the interpreting about the value of performances due to wind is not worth a piece of ..... just concentrate on what happens when the athletes meet.Speculative stuff matters not a jot, imo.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby eldanielfire » Sun May 05, 2013 11:55 pm

lionelp1 wrote:Clearly an ""off year for Bolt" What planet have some of you guys descended from?

The year has not started by May 6th and 3 full months to the WC.. What has Bolt done in serious comp this year. Nothing yet apart from some fun in Rio over 150m.
I luv to read to the weird stuff here about the two best sprinters in the world being challenged by Gay, but who is, sadly, as likely to be injured by the WC as not.
All the interpreting about the value of performances due to wind is not worth a piece of ..... just concentrate on what happens when the athletes meet.Speculative stuff matters not a jot, imo.


In that regard Gay is an equal with Blake and both are challenging for silver. I do wonder if Blake's zealous lust for hard training is taking it's toll already. It's no coincidence when Bolt droped sub 9.7x times other sprinters appear to hit injuries trying to up their game trying to do the same.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby shivfan » Mon May 06, 2013 12:11 am

jamboy wrote:
Daisy wrote:
jamboy wrote:
JRM wrote:Yes, things are looking good. Gay should have no trouble claiming the 100m title.

Please clarify your statement. You mean the US 100m title.

I doubt it. JRM is thinking Moscow. Bolt has not looked very sharp this year. No doubt his advertising commitments are catching up to him. Not training as regularly, or as hard. Eating too much junk food and staying up late. It's pretty clear that this year will be a year off for him.


It will not be a year off. Bolt has always eaten junk food and has said that people shouldn't follow what he eats. Bolt parties hard and works out even harder on the track. He has always been this way.

He didn't look sharp at the trials last year. Don't let me remind you what he did a few weeks later in London.

Bolt will be fine.

This junk food story is taken way out of proportion....Bolt only said he ate chicken nuggets in Beijing, because he didn't trust the food that was there for athletes to eat, especially with reports of some athletes getting upset stomachs.

"They were the only food I could properly trust which wouldn't affect my stomach. On arriving at the training camp I'd tried a local Chinese meal, which wasn't like the ones we eat in the West, and my body didn't react well. So, knowing I could rely on nuggets, I made up my mind that was all I would eat (in Beijing). And eat them I did, 15 at a time, for breakfast, lunch and dinner, washed down with bottled water." 'Usain Bolt: My Story', p108

He likes the traditional Jamaican meal of ackee and saltfish, and loves his pork accompanied by dumplings, green banana and yam, and he enjoys chicken and rice and peas, like any Jamaican. p196

Bolt says he eats pasta largely because Mills says he should, but he's not keen on it, because he feels hungry two hours later! pp195, 240

Often, when Bolt is in Europe, his friend "NJ" travels with him, and cooks the food Mills prefers to see him eat.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby ZELLGADISS » Mon May 06, 2013 2:41 am

The big difference between Bolt and the other runners is that while Bolt can to make 9.7 not very hard, the others for to get 9.7 have to run near his limit.
For Bolt to run near his limit is 9.5.
It is very big difference in my opinion

Bolt can lose of course, but only if he is injuried or in very bad shape.
With good shape and 90-95% like we saw in London(and not very good start), no rivals...
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 06, 2013 4:08 am

Bolt can lose, and the only year where his dominance was questionable was when he false started, possibly partially because of the pressure. His gap over Blake is likely to be a bit smaller and Gay might be up there with Blake or...
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby mump boy » Mon May 06, 2013 4:44 am

There's a lot of wishful thinking going on in this thread !!

Gay has a great early season run and before anyone else has even started their season he's the favourite for Moscow :?

Very strange reasoning :roll:
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby Marlow » Mon May 06, 2013 4:57 am

mump boy wrote:There's a lot of wishful thinking going on in this thread !!
Gay has a great early season run and before anyone else has even started their season he's the favourite for Moscow :?
Very strange reasoning :roll:

It DOES make him a clearer choice behind Bolt/Blake.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby 26mi235 » Mon May 06, 2013 5:43 am

mump boy wrote:There's a lot of wishful thinking going on in this thread !!

Gay has a great early season run and before anyone else has even started their season he's the favourite for Moscow :?

Very strange reasoning :roll:


This is a rather skewed (to one poster, possibly) take on the thread. Statements that Bolt does not have a guaranteed Gold suddenly the posts are taken to be saying that Gay is the favorite? point out which posts you have in mind for that statement.
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby mump boy » Mon May 06, 2013 6:11 am

No one is ever guaranteed gold but Bolt is as big a favourite as there is right now !!

If someone runs 1.42 next week is David Rudisha favourite status going to be questioned ?

If someone throws 20m is Valerie suddenly in trouble

Tyson ran a moderately fast time early season, he didn't run 9.5/6/7 it tells us NOTHING about Moscow and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what Bolt or Blake might do.

Making him even in the mix for the gold right now is just disrespectful to someone he hasn't beaten in 6 years

Does that mean it can't happen ? of course not but this run doesn't warrant such speculation
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Re: Jamaica Invitational , May 4th [Gay 9.86 WL]

Postby eldanielfire » Mon May 06, 2013 6:19 am

mump boy wrote:No one is ever guaranteed gold but Bolt is as big a favourite as there is right now !!

If someone runs 1.42 next week is David Rudisha favourite status going to be questioned ?

If someone throws 20m is Valerie suddenly in trouble

Tyson ran a moderately fast time early season, he didn't run 9.5/6/7 it tells us NOTHING about Moscow and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what Bolt or Blake might do.

Making him even in the mix for the gold right now is just disrespectful to someone he hasn't beaten in 6 years

Does that mean it can't happen ? of course not but this run doesn't warrant such speculation


People are excited because Gay is a proven challenger and him running so quickly early in the season means he'll likely be capable of more come august, especially as Blake preparation has been hampered by injury. I do think some comments are a tad jumping the gun but all that has held Gay back in the past is injury and Bolt.

And you were the one bigging up Christine Ohuruoghu's 50.something time because it was so early in the season as something to be afraid of? We haven't see Montsho, Richards-Ross or most of the usual Russian challengers and Natasha Hastings seems to be in even more devastating form. Surely this is no different than what you have been doing?
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