Decathlon Consistent Excellence


Main message board: for the discussion of topical track & field items only.

Decathlon Consistent Excellence

Postby DecFan » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:15 am

On another thread I noted that Suarez has medaled in four consecutive World Champs and Olympic Games decathlons ('08 Bronze, '09 Silver, '11 Bronze, '12 Bronze). I wondered how many others have done that.

It turns out that Sebrle is the only other decathlete to have accomplished this feat ('00 Silver, '01 no medal, '03 Silver, '04 Gold, '05 Silver, '07 Gold). O'Brien had four golds from '91 to '96 but of course missed '92; Dvorak had four medals '96 to '01 but missed '00. Hardee has medaled in the last three, so has a chance to join this group in '13. This summer Suarez may become the first to medal in five consecutive major championships.

Of course, this task was virtually impossible before the advent of the WCs, and became easier in the 90s when the WCs began to take place every two years. Nevertheless, kudos to Suarez and Sebrle for doing what no others have done.
DecFan
 
Posts: 1409
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: Decathlon Consistent Excellence

Postby Daisy » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:15 pm

Although Daley Thompson does not fit into your criteria, his dominance should be mentioned. The Euro's should be considered majors too since they had all the strong Germans.

EC Silver 1978 Prague
gap year 1979
OG Gold 1980 Moscow
EC Gold 1982 Athens
WC Gold 1983 Helsinki
OG Gold 1984 Los Angeles
gap year 1985
EC Gold 1986 Stuttgart
Daisy
 
Posts: 13153
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: Decathlon Consistent Excellence

Postby olorin » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:21 am

DecFan wrote:On another thread I noted that Suarez has medaled in four consecutive World Champs and Olympic Games decathlons ('08 Bronze, '09 Silver, '11 Bronze, '12 Bronze). I wondered how many others have done that.

It turns out that Sebrle is the only other decathlete to have accomplished this feat ('00 Silver, '01 no medal, '03 Silver, '04 Gold, '05 Silver, '07 Gold). O'Brien had four golds from '91 to '96 but of course missed '92; Dvorak had four medals '96 to '01 but missed '00. Hardee has medaled in the last three, so has a chance to join this group in '13. This summer Suarez may become the first to medal in five consecutive major championships.

Of course, this task was virtually impossible before the advent of the WCs, and became easier in the 90s when the WCs began to take place every two years. Nevertheless, kudos to Suarez and Sebrle for doing what no others have done.


Suarez is not only consistent medal winner but also one of the most consistent decathletes through time. In the last five years (2008-12) he improved from 2008 to 2009 but since then remain on roughly the same level. The sum of SBs in these five years are:
2008: 8728
2009: 8850
2010: 8608
2011: 8680
2012: 8631
This consistency is not only in the sum of SBs but also in individual events. For example, his SB in the 110h are:
2008: 14.15
2009: 14.15
2010: 14.30
2011: 14.26
2012: 14.34
This is not cherry picking. In all the other nine events his results are consistent with typically one year that he slightly perform better or worse. The advantage of Suarez that he usually score very close to his sum of his SBs in big championships. In recent years ~8,550 was good enough to medal. I think that this year he will find it hard to medal without a significant improvement.
A point of interest: in 2008 Eaton’s sums of SBs was more than 200 points below Suarez’s one (Eaton and Suarez are roughly the same age).
olorin
 
Posts: 709
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am

Re: Decathlon Consistent Excellence

Postby tgs3 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:49 am

olorin wrote:
DecFan wrote: In recent years ~8,550 was good enough to medal. I think that this year he will find it hard to medal without a significant improvement.


Really? And who else is going to improve to the point that 8550 will not be good enough for 3rd? I know there's a handful of guys (particular Warner) that could do it, but I think it's rather unlikely more than one of them (and Suarez) goes over 8550 at the same meet. And that assumes neither Eaton or Hardee stumble on some event. I don't think Suarez is a lock for a medal, but I'd be surprised if 8550 wasn't good enough for a bronze.
tgs3
 
Posts: 209
Joined: Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:19 am

Re: Decathlon Consistent Excellence

Postby olorin » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:30 pm

tgs3 wrote:
olorin wrote:
DecFan wrote: In recent years ~8,550 was good enough to medal. I think that this year he will find it hard to medal without a significant improvement.


Really? And who else is going to improve to the point that 8550 will not be good enough for 3rd? I know there's a handful of guys (particular Warner) that could do it, but I think it's rather unlikely more than one of them (and Suarez) goes over 8550 at the same meet. And that assumes neither Eaton or Hardee stumble on some event. I don't think Suarez is a lock for a medal, but I'd be surprised if 8550 wasn't good enough for a bronze.


Yes really.
Eelco SINTNICOLAAS is probably the decathlete (beside the big two) with the highest chance to break 8,600 this year. He has already a PB of 8501 and he just had a wonderful winter season in which he improved his Heptathlon PB by ~200 points.
I am glad to we agree on Warner.
Kevin Mayer (21) broke his PB last year by 500 points (8,406). He also had a good winter and broke his PB in the shot by 82cm. With the expected improvement in the throws he too is likely to break 8,600.
Behind these three Pascal BEHRENBRUCH (GER) has an outside shot as well as Sergey SVIRIDOV (RUS) a 22 year decathlete that last year broke his PB by 700 points (8365).
Finally, there is a hungry pack of 5-6 young decathletes that are now around 8,200 shape and are waiting for the big breakthrough. The chances of each of individually is very small to do it THIS year, but as a group one of them may bring a surprise.
So with three real chances, two outside chances and several long shots I think that it is unlikely that less than 8,600 will medal.

An injury to Eaton or Hardee is likely to change everything as does an O'Brien 1992 disaster. Other than that both are good enough to score 8,600+ even if they are not at their best.
olorin
 
Posts: 709
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:32 am


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: schigh and 9 guests