Samsung pulls out of Diamond League


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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby batonless relay » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:46 am

Does the IAAF have a limitation on who can sponsor a track meet?

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/st ... g-sponsors
FORT WORTH, Texas -- NASCAR plans to become more involved in race-sponsorship decisions by speedways in light of the continuing controversy surrounding the National Rifle Association's sponsorship of the Sprint Cup race Saturday at Texas Motor Speedway.

"The NRA's sponsorship of the event at Texas Motor Speedway fit within existing parameters that NASCAR affords tracks in securing partnerships," said NASCAR spokesman David Higdon. "However, this situation has made it clear that we need to take a closer look at our approval process moving forward, as current circumstances need to be factored in when making decisions."
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Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut wrote to News Corp. chief Rupert Murdoch asking the Fox network not broadcast Saturday night's race because of the NRA sponsorship.

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Sources confirmed Friday that two drivers were advised by their public relations directors not to do interviews in the TMS media center so they could avoid having the NRA logo behind them.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby wallaby » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:54 pm

As long as Track and Field continues to be run as it is - it will never become a major sport or draw the big sponsors.

The top athletes only compete against each other at the WCs and Olympics. Compare that to tennis, where Federer and Nadal go against each other in the same tournament at least 8 times a year. In F1, the top drivers have 20 races a season. In all sports the top athletes compete against the others regularly - except for Boxing and T&F.

I read somewhere that Coe and Ovett - one of the greatest rivalries in T&F history - competed against each other on only 7 occasions. Their 'rivalry' consisted primarily of each of them in turn running against the clock with a pacemaker. You could have watched it with a newspaper and just read the numbers. It was as exciting as bingo.

Remember when Bolt was Dq'd from the World Champs? Blake won the 100, and Bolt won the 200. A couple of weeks later, Blake ran his 19.26. The next week, both Blake and Bolt ran at the same meet. Wow! The new upstart up against the Old King! Great!! Except - Bolt ran the 200 and Blake ran the 100. How the F***** does that happen!?!?!?!?!

Now we know the reasons for this - all understandable. But also accept that it's a very unattractive model for a sport wanting to market itself as an entertainment package.

Sure, the Olympics and WCs are great - but no sponsor is seriously going to put up large amounts of money for any other series of events when they are primarily exhibitions and warm-ups for the top athletes. At the moment, there are 3 events every 4 years where we know we will see the best vs the best.

My suggestion: World Champs every year. And to qualify, you have to earn points from the DL, and other qualifiers (National Champs, perhaps). Top 24 only go. And you would have to compete at several events to earn enough points. No 'automatics' or one-win-and-you're-in. If that means we don't see the strugglers from Outer Wherever-stan - fine. He can go to the Olympics - that's what they're for.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby Ned Ryerson » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:43 pm

wallaby wrote:My suggestion: World Champs every year. And to qualify, you have to earn points from the DL, and other qualifiers (National Champs, perhaps). Top 24 only go. And you would have to compete at several events to earn enough points. No 'automatics' or one-win-and-you're-in. If that means we don't see the strugglers from Outer Wherever-stan - fine. He can go to the Olympics - that's what they're for.


What if that means we don't see Bolt because he was injured early int he season but is ready to roll come the champs?

Only top 24? So just two Europeans in the Men's 100m (going on last year's list)?

How about this: get rid of the World Championships and make the Diamond League the sole focus of the season. Kobe Bryant isn't sold to sponsors as an Olympic medalist; he's sold as a many times NBA Champion.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby kuha » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:59 pm

Ned Ryerson wrote:How about this: get rid of the World Championships and make the Diamond League the sole focus of the season.


I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I'd vote for that enthusiastically.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:06 pm

And the politics of getting into DL meets? One round only in almost all events? Clearly, no locals would be allowed in because the slots would be too 'dear'. The 'top 24 can easily make room for the defending champ and 23 others...
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby sprintdoc » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:21 pm

Ned your point of eliminating the Worlds and instead focusing on the Diamond League is one I have said for years would actually be direction sport needs to go with one caveat - a title meet every year including Olympic year that is a 3 day meet of the top 12-16 per event using the following concept:

The current DL meets along with the current World Challenge events would be combined as a full circuit with levels of points gained to qualify into the championship. ex- Zurich (20 pts for 1st, Berlin - 15 pts for 1st, Ostrava - 10 pts for 1st), Athletes must participate in at least 6 events to gain a spot in finals except in 10k and multi's.

Additionally world zonal meets could be held to allow additional qualifiers (winner only) for those who tried but couldn't get into enough of the series meets due to lack of name recognition. In years with meets such as Euros, African Champs, Asian Games these could be used and the US Champs could as well each year.

The main problem in the sport today is the lack of quality competitions to entice the general sportsfan (not die-hard track fans already following) to tune in. Plan the events to be shown on TV at the same time every week as much as possible. This contributes to why so many people watch certain sports, you build an audience that know every week at a certain time a certain sport is going to be on like NFL at 1 & 4 eastern, NBA on TNT on certain nights at exact same time, etc.

This is the same concept that should be done domestically in the US to give more post-collegiates competitions and exposure for the sport in the US. Its what gh speaks of in this month's editorial. Use existing meet structures to build a series of meets beginning in mid-April and going through US Championships. Have East Coast meets and West Coast meets. West Coast for example (splitting US at Ms River) could have pro section at the Johnson/JJK meet, Mt SAC, Drake/Stanford, Texas/Oregon Twilight, Oxy, perhaps create a meet at new UW track or Modesto or somewhere - Berkeley, Oregon State, etc then Pre (with perhaps a few additional events added to the day 1 as they have done recently, then Portland Track Classic and then its Nationals.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby sprintdoc » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:22 pm

continuation of above:

Use participation in the meets as a way to qualify for nationals although for that I would suggest some auto qualifiers into US Nats such as top 6 from year before who participate at least 2-3 times so that they show fitness. This way our "stars" aren't having to race too much early in the year but they do compete some to help grow sport audience in the US. Collegiates could qualify into US Nats via either performance at NCAA's or time standard and 3-4 post-collegiates and preps could be allowed in based on a descending order list of those not otherwise qualified.

With our current state of affairs we are making it far too difficult for post-collegiates to stay in the sport. Our elite level are fine but we need to build a bigger base so as to not only increase the pool of elites but to grow the sport nationwide.

Why does USATF give stipends to top athletes? This money would be better served by putting it towards prize money for the best athletes to show up and earn and create more revenue from the meets themselves. By creating new events the athletes could earn this money and at the same time TV revenue, sponsorship opportunities and ticket sales would be created.

Additionally the Olympic Trials and US nationals need to be moved around to grow the sport and sponsorships. Last time the Trials were held east of the Pacific Ocean states of Cali and Oregon was 1996 and that was in the Olympic Stadium as a lead up so the last stand alone such trials was New Orleans in 1992. While the weather was tough in NO the meet was well attended.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby 26mi235 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:25 pm

Very difficult to get all of the rules to actually work right. Example -- Bolt gets only 5 meets, as do three or four of the top athletes in different events. The meet might miss the biggest stars.

There are fundamental differences between team games, one-on-one games (e.g., tennis) and track and field.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby norunner » Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:33 am

wallaby wrote:My suggestion: World Champs every year. And to qualify, you have to earn points from the DL, and other qualifiers (National Champs, perhaps). Top 24 only go. And you would have to compete at several events to earn enough points. No 'automatics' or one-win-and-you're-in. If that means we don't see the strugglers from Outer Wherever-stan - fine. He can go to the Olympics - that's what they're for.
So last year we would have had european champs, world champs and olympic games, all in one year. And how exactly is that supposed to work? Where would you have placed the WCs? ECs were at the beginning of july, OCs beginning of august. You also need some space for national champs, so where do you see space for wcs?
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby Sprints_and_XC » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:45 pm

I think we know that all of our suggestions will never happen, but we can dream. Here's mine. Its just a small improvement that won't bring in huge revenue, but I think its an improvement: The IAAF should standardize the jerseys that athletes wear at the DL meets and display the sponsor logo prominently on them. They should then market these jerseys through their website. I think some people would buy them, its a win win. They should also paint the sponsor logo prominently on the infield grass and digitally superimpose the logo on the track like Brazillian soccer does.
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:11 pm

This makes one of the things we dislike worse -- six runners in identical kit. Add to that the difficulty that people have in recognizing people of different races and it makes it seem ...
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby norunner » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:53 pm

How fitting: 3 weeks before the first DL meeting and no german channel/network has bought the DL rights. Looks like there will be NO DL broadcasts in Germany this year. The biggest european market for basically anything passing on the DL should make the search for a new sponsor much easier. :roll:
Makes me wonder how many other european countries are in a similar position?
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Re: Samsung pulls out of Diamond League

Postby Conor Dary » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:48 am

An interesting statistic that backs up what I said before.

    League Two clubs last season earned in excess of £700,000 from the Football League and Premiership television money.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19978472

Since there are 24 League Two teams, there is £16,800,000 or $25,000,000 sponsorship on the Fourth Division of English Football.

No wonder there is so little left for track, in terms of athletes, money or fans in Europe or the UK.
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