Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters


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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby TN1965 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:29 pm

aaronk wrote:And what happened to Goucher??
Flanagan kind of cleaned her clock!!


Flanagan beat Goucher by 3 min in a half marathon last month.

I understand Goucher missed some training time late last year, and is still playing catch up.
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby aaronk » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:54 pm

BTW, has any American woman ever run a 10K faster in March than Flanagan??

I've answered my own question!

The answer is NO!!

Flanagan's 31:04 beats Lisa Koll's (nee Uhl) 31:18.07 from this same meet in 2010.
Don't know (yet) if it's the fastest time ever in March in the WORLD!!
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby DrJay » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:58 pm

Seventh-fastest time ever by an American (four of the top six are also by her) and it's still March. I'd say Flanagan is in great shape and would take nothing away from Goucher.
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby olorin » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:02 pm

aaronk wrote:BTW, has any American woman ever run a 10K faster in March than Flanagan??

I've answered my own question!

The answer is NO!!

Flanagan's 31:04 beats Lisa Koll's (nee Uhl) 31:18.07 from this same meet in 2010.
Don't know (yet) if it's the fastest time ever in March in the WORLD!!


Not many 10000 races in March, so this is the fastest ever. In April 5 women ran below 31 minutes (best Elvan Abeylegesse TUR 30.21.7)
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby EPelle » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:35 pm

aaronk wrote:Flanagan's 31:04 beats Lisa Koll's (nee Uhl) 31:18.07 from this same meet in 2010.
Don't know (yet) if it's the fastest time ever in March in the WORLD!!

As Koll's 31.18,07 was, in fact, the previous March best, it would follow suit that Flanagan's time establishes a new all-time mark recorded for the month of March. A dozen or so women (all-time) have broken 32.00 in March.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_10kok.htm
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby ExRun » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:56 am

Aaronk...I came closest, I'll be expecting my prize money in the mail :lol:
Jordan's time - 32:46.68

ExRun wrote:32:45.1

Her times are comparatively better for the 3K than the 5k, so I don't know why they think she will do better at longer distances.
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:11 am

aaronk wrote:BTW, has any American woman ever run a 10K faster in March than Flanagan??

I've answered my own question!

The answer is NO!!

Flanagan's 31:04 beats Lisa Koll's (nee Uhl) 31:18.07 from this same meet in 2010.
Don't know (yet) if it's the fastest time ever in March in the WORLD!!


So you acknowledge that running as fast as Flanagan did this early in the year is unusual yet want to know what happened to Goucher?
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby booond » Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:34 am

His "enthusiasm" lapped clear thinking. Goucher ran fine, Flanagan amazed. It will be interesting to see the effect this has on her in three weeks.
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:47 am

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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby aaronk » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:27 am

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:BTW, has any American woman ever run a 10K faster in March than Flanagan??

I've answered my own question!

The answer is NO!!

Flanagan's 31:04 beats Lisa Koll's (nee Uhl) 31:18.07 from this same meet in 2010.
Don't know (yet) if it's the fastest time ever in March in the WORLD!!


So you acknowledge that running as fast as Flanagan did this early in the year is unusual yet want to know what happened to Goucher?
booond wrote:His "enthusiasm" lapped clear thinking. Goucher ran fine, Flanagan amazed. It will be interesting to see the effect this has on her in three weeks.


Now that the analyzation of ME is done (Or is it??), let's analyze the race!!

Flanagan looked VERY strong...and relaxed. She has a 30+ in her....maybe an AR.
AND a 2:20 marathon.....somewhere down the line.
Boston?? Maybe.

Goucher, despite being whacked by Flanagan, ran a great race too.
I watched her post-race interview, and she was shocked she would come so close to the "A"....and not make it!
But she appeared SUPER confident she'll be in Moscow.....in the 10K.
And she negative split......maybe 16:05 and 15:41??

Hasay looked VERY relaxed.....and probably has another full MINUTE she can take off her time next go-round!!
Maybe Stanford again, in May??

Fun race to watch!!
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby ed gee » Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:45 am

Hasay's 10000m mark is comparable to her other PBs and she has shown little improvement in recent years.

Why do you think she can probably run a minute faster for 10000m this season?
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby Master Po » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:27 am

ed gee wrote:Hasay's 10000m mark is comparable to her other PBs and she has shown little improvement in recent years.

Why do you think she can probably run a minute faster for 10000m this season?


I don't know if she can run a minute faster this season. I do think she can run faster - don't know how much. I am not inclined to read too much into her "little improvement" during her collegiate years. In fact, she has improved -- not a lot, but there has been improvement. What her collegiate career looks like to me is a commitment to running for her team. She seems to value that. Prior to this year, she has been an xc & 1500/3k runner mostly, with some 5k in her sophomore year. I doubt if she will be a minute faster this year -- & I would be very surprised if she focused on Payton Jordan as a place to try to run fast, which is the place she said she will do her next 10km. She has other more important 10k races after that (e.g., PAC-12, NCAA W, NCAA, USATF, ideally).

She said some things in her post-race interview that I found interesting: First, Oregon's winning the outdoor title is her highest priority. Second, running as a 1500-5k runner (describes most of her collegiate career, especially if you include xc, which would be 6k sometimes) was hard for improvement -- she didn't seem to be complaining, just saying that's a hard range to manage for her. Now she considers herself a 10k/5k runner, & feels good about the focus of that training. Third, she said the 32:46 was not a hard effort. I know that athletes talk like that all the time, but she speaks clearly about her efforts, & she said the first 5k was really easy, & then when she picked up things in the second 5k, her coach still encouraged her not to lead, but to sit back some more, til near the end. I got the clear impression she has a good bit more to give right now. I am not predicting 31:45 this year, but 32-mid seems entirely possible -- that's only a bit faster than yesterday; & 32-low doesn't seem unreasonable. I thought she looked pretty good in that 32:46 -- looked to be the kind of effort she described.

She has had an excellent collegiate career. I hope she has an excellent outdoor season this year. I would love to see her win the 10k title, but going with her stated goals, I would really like to see Oregon women win the outdoor title, as that seems most important to her. (I am not making a prediction about their outdoor prospects.) She has done a great job of managing the expectations others have always had for her, which now pretty much always say (to summarize): she should be better now, she should have been better already, & she probably won't be (much) better in the future. I am guessing that she understands because she ran some outstanding prep times, her career -- however successful -- will always be interpreted by some as a disappointment.
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby aaronk » Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:44 am

ed gee wrote:Hasay's 10000m mark is comparable to her other PBs and she has shown little improvement in recent years.

Why do you think she can probably run a minute faster for 10000m this season?


Good question.
Here's my take:

1. Her splits were about 16:44 and 16:02. Splits like that in her first-ever 10K shows she wasn't hurting....at all!

2. She LOOKED super relaxed. I watched the video, and didn't see her struggling at all!! She finished standing up, and looked like she could run another 5K at the same pace.

3. Natosha Rogers is a good example here. She'd never run a 10K prior to 2012. In just 4 races, she brings her time down from 34+ to 31:59....with the final jump being from 32:41 to 31:59. And SHE had a LOT left at the end of that 31:59!! (Should have gotten the A"!!)

4. She'll probably run a lot faster in her 1st 5K in her next race---Stanford??---maybe 16:00 or 16:10......and in a fast race, which Stanford always is.....she could run in the 31's. She definitely LOOKED capable of a 31+ last night!!
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:21 pm

aaronk wrote:
4. She'll probably run a lot faster in her 1st 5K in her next race---Stanford??---maybe 16:00 or 16:10......and in a fast race, which Stanford always is.....she could run in the 31's. She definitely LOOKED capable of a 31+ last night!!


With neither split under 16:00 I doubt it very strongly at this point. At her level, she certainly can eventually run under 32:00 but it's a real stretch at this point.
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:25 pm

Master Po wrote:
She has had an excellent collegiate career. I hope she has an excellent outdoor season this year. I would love to see her win the 10k title, but going with her stated goals, I would really like to see Oregon women win the outdoor title, as that seems most important to her. (I am not making a prediction about their outdoor prospects.) She has done a great job of managing the expectations others have always had for her, which now pretty much always say (to summarize): she should be better now, she should have been better already, & she probably won't be (much) better in the future. I am guessing that she understands because she ran some outstanding prep times, her career -- however successful -- will always be interpreted by some as a disappointment.


If she's most interested in helping Oregon place as well as possible at the NCAA Outdoor meet, likely that would mean getting the most points from her. At this point, if that means a 5/10 double, that means a regional and national at both. As mentioned earlier in this thread this puts any other attempt at the 10000m beforehand as probably biting off an awful lot.
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Re: Jordan Hasay's First 10000 Meters

Postby booond » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:54 pm

We probably won't know where her career ends up until she leaves Oregon. Once she can concentrate on her career and not scoring points for school she'll maximize her ability. Where that leads, who knows. What was obvious to anyone who watched any of her 1500 races was that she was overmatched when she ran with the better racers, especially when she needed an extra gear. She's a 10k/marathon runner. She won't get there for another year or two.
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