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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby BBTM media » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:53 pm

Marlow wrote: Final note. How many states are seriously engaged in switching back to the mile? :roll: Pipe dreams are just that. The funny part is that I don't really care if we switch back or not; I just know how nonsensical it would be, just to fulfill all the BBTM nostalgists. It would ONLY make sense if we also go back to the 220, 440, 880, etc . . . and revert all the tracks back to yards. Yeah, that's gonna happen too . . .


You are missing the essence of BBTM: the promotion of the Mile, its history and the athletes - elevate & celebrate, and by extension, promotion of the sport. Because the mile (lower case) is so deeply embedded in American culture and the continued resonance of Roger Bannister's first sub-4 minute Mile (and other top Milers such as Jim Ryun) and the sub-4 standard, no other T&F event - sorry - has the cache/brand of the Mile, at least in this country.
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:20 pm

BBTM media wrote:
Marlow wrote: Final note. How many states are seriously engaged in switching back to the mile? :roll: Pipe dreams are just that. The funny part is that I don't really care if we switch back or not; I just know how nonsensical it would be, just to fulfill all the BBTM nostalgists. It would ONLY make sense if we also go back to the 220, 440, 880, etc . . . and revert all the tracks back to yards. Yeah, that's gonna happen too . . .


You are missing the essence of BBTM: the promotion of the Mile, its history and the athletes - elevate & celebrate, and by extension, promotion of the sport. Because the mile (lower case) is so deeply embedded in American culture and the continued resonance of Roger Bannister's first sub-4 minute Mile (and other top Milers such as Jim Ryun) and the sub-4 standard, no other T&F event - sorry - has the cache/brand of the Mile, at least in this country.


Ask Galen Rupp--3:50.92--how "relevant" the mile still is.
Ask Mary Cain (4:32.78 and 4:28.25) how relevant it is.
Ask anyone who ran the esteemed Wanamaker MILE!!
Ask the headline writers on the sports pages how often they put "1600 meters" in their headlines.

And, if we're going to have the ONE mile, then we should have the TWO mile as well.
Same questions as above pertain.

Ask Tirunesh Dibaba--9:13.17--about running a 3200 meter race.
Again, ask Mary Cain (9:38.68).

One small caveat.
If we're to go TOTALLY metric, then I suggest the following:

Have EVEN-numbered metric distances.
1000, 2000 (to replace the 1500/mile/1600), 4000 (to replace the 3000, 3200, 2 mile, AND the 5000).
Or, if you want "odd" distances, but sticking with the 200-400 meters track sizes, have 1200, 2400, 4800, and 9600 meter races (the latter replacing the 10000!).

Am I joking?
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby Bruce Kritzler » Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:43 pm

Arroyo finished 104th in junior race (25:50, winner 21:04) at World XC.
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby Tuariki » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:58 pm

aaronk wrote:
BBTM media wrote:
Marlow wrote: Final note. How many states are seriously engaged in switching back to the mile? :roll: Pipe dreams are just that. The funny part is that I don't really care if we switch back or not; I just know how nonsensical it would be, just to fulfill all the BBTM nostalgists. It would ONLY make sense if we also go back to the 220, 440, 880, etc . . . and revert all the tracks back to yards. Yeah, that's gonna happen too . . .


You are missing the essence of BBTM: the promotion of the Mile, its history and the athletes - elevate & celebrate, and by extension, promotion of the sport. Because the mile (lower case) is so deeply embedded in American culture and the continued resonance of Roger Bannister's first sub-4 minute Mile (and other top Milers such as Jim Ryun) and the sub-4 standard, no other T&F event - sorry - has the cache/brand of the Mile, at least in this country.


Ask Galen Rupp--3:50.92--how "relevant" the mile still is.
Ask Mary Cain (4:32.78 and 4:28.25) how relevant it is.
Ask anyone who ran the esteemed Wanamaker MILE!!
Ask the headline writers on the sports pages how often they put "1600 meters" in their headlines.

And, if we're going to have the ONE mile, then we should have the TWO mile as well.
Same questions as above pertain.

Ask Tirunesh Dibaba--9:13.17--about running a 3200 meter race.
Again, ask Mary Cain (9:38.68).

One small caveat.
If we're to go TOTALLY metric, then I suggest the following:

Have EVEN-numbered metric distances.
1000, 2000 (to replace the 1500/mile/1600), 4000 (to replace the 3000, 3200, 2 mile, AND the 5000).
Or, if you want "odd" distances, but sticking with the 200-400 meters track sizes, have 1200, 2400, 4800, and 9600 meter races (the latter replacing the 10000!).

Am I joking?

Aaronk, I don't know if you are joking or not.

However, what I do know is that the mile is irrelevant and has been for quite some time. When 4:00 was still a quality target it still retained a degree of relevance. New Zealand has a mile tradition as good as anybody's. However, no one gives a toss about the mile because why would you waste your time and effort and energy to run a great mile time which gets you no where but might cost you a 3:35 qualifying time for the world champs. I am sure if Nick Willis was give an option of getting a sub 3:50 or a sub 3:30 he will take the sub 3:30 any day as to most of the world it means a hell of a lot more.

And your small caveat. The world has already gone metric, decades ago.

The continued resonance of Roger Bannister? You are in dreamland. I would guess more than 99% of the US population, just like NZ, will have no idea who Roger Bannister is.
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby BBTM media » Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 am

Tuariki wrote:And your small caveat. The world has already gone metric, decades ago.

The continued resonance of Roger Bannister? You are in dreamland. I would guess more than 99% of the US population, just like NZ, will have no idea who Roger Bannister is.


Nothing against the metric system (or the 1500) - base 10 is wonderful, but the Mile does have a unique place in the sport and beyond.

Do a search of "Roger Bannister" and you will see his continued resonance and the first sub-4 minute Mile.

99%? We'll take that bet.
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby kevinsdad » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:16 am

Tuariki wrote: I am sure if Nick Willis was give an option of getting a sub 3:50 or a sub 3:30 he will take the sub 3:30 any day as to most of the world it means a hell of a lot more.


I'm sure he would take the 3:30, since it's worth about 3:46.8 for the mile. I"d bet money he'd take the sub 3:50 if you used the correct conversion (sub 3:50 vs. sub 3:33).
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby aaronk » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:44 am

The mile (and the two mile) ain't dead, as witnessed by this past indoor season--Rupp's 3:50, Lagat's 8:09, Cain's 4:28, Dibaba's 9:13, etc etc.

But maybe what's needed for the mile is a little jolt in the arm.

It's been awhile since we've had a "barrier breaker" at these distances.
As the 800 gets closer to breaking 1:40, we should expect there might be someone who challenges the 3:40 mile barrier.

While the 8:00 and 9:00 barriers for the 2 mile, men and women, have been broken, they've only been done once each.
Next "barriers" would be 7:50 and 8:50.

How about the 4:20 barrier for collegiate and high school women?
And 4:10 for the world's female elite?

Hey, there's SOME talk of a sub-2:00 marathon!
What about the first WOMEN'S sub-4:00 mile??
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby gh » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:52 am

getting excited about legal women's sub-4:00 1500s will do quite nicely for now.
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby mal » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:07 am

gh wrote:getting excited about legal women's sub-4:00 1500s will do quite nicely for now.


Thumbs up.

You need an up down option on this board.
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby runforlife » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:16 pm

Marlow wrote: It's a brave new world out there. You should join it. :P
The mile is a wonderful race distance, but it bears zero relevance to HS track & field anymore Time to move on.

Agreed!!
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Re: new HS boys mile leader

Postby gh » Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:34 am

Bruce Kritzler wrote:Arroyo finished 104th in junior race (25:50, winner 21:04) at World XC.


And he was mis-IDed in the TN sums. Note that he actually represented Puerto Rico (as Andrés, not Andres), so he's not U.S.-eligible.
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