Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?


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Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:26 pm

I can dream, right? :D

http://spikes-mag.tumblr.com/post/45762 ... n-of-steel

So has he ever considered specialising?

“We’ve talked about it, and if I did do it I think it would be in the pole vault for the 2020 Olympics, just for a bit of fun [he has a PB of 5.30m],” he says.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby gh » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:26 pm

I'm not sure, but my take on all the events is that he might be best in the 400. But since he's also world class in the 110s, what would happen if he tried the 400H?
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby polevaultpower » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:31 pm

If he focused on pole vault he would likely have no trouble being world class. I've seen some incredible takeoffs out of him 8-)
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:32 pm

Did you watch the NCAA Heptathlon? The top three went out at 5.50, 5.50 and 5.40, it it could have been 5.60, 5.50, 5.50 since there were pretty good attempts at the missed heights. And, this was in event 6 of 7 and they have opened a fair bit lower. Why don't those guys have as much upside as Eaton in the vault and they do not have nearly his capability in the Decathlon; they are good, but they are not going to be challenging 9200.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby 18.99s » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:00 am

His best individual event right now is the long jump. His PR of 8.23m would have won a bronze medal in Beijing.

But if we're talking about 2020, perhaps his prospects indeed would be better in the pole vault, as his 30something year old knees won't like the long jump after having been beaten up by a decade of world-class decathlon training and competition.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:25 am

I consider him rather undeveloped in the pole vault. He has the potential to jump quite a bit higher, but the work required versus the payoff in multi-points is probably not worth it at this point. Maybe someday!
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Powell » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:32 am

polevaultpower wrote:If he focused on pole vault he would likely have no trouble being world class. I've seen some incredible takeoffs out of him 8-)


That may well be, but one year of specializing at the age of 32 isn't likely to be enough to reach that level.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Marlow » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:09 am

Hands up for those who think he's already in the right event. :D
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Cooter Brown » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:37 am

Maybe Hardee will specialize in the vault now that he's not the top American decathlete. He definitely has the physical tools to jump 6m+.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby bushop » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:41 am

polevaultpower wrote:If he focused on pole vault he would likely have no trouble being world class. I've seen some incredible takeoffs out of him 8-)

How do folks define 'world class pole vaulter' '?
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Marlow » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:11 am

bushop wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:If he focused on pole vault he would likely have no trouble being world class. I've seen some incredible takeoffs out of him 8-)

How do folks define 'world class pole vaulter' '?

5.70 (18-8ish) does it for me.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:37 am

Sub-journeyman by some standards - remember, top 5 in the Olympic Games was only good for that modest status, so being 20th best is what? [ :evil: and not directed at you!]
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby gh » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:47 am

bushop wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:If he focused on pole vault he would likely have no trouble being world class. I've seen some incredible takeoffs out of him 8-)

How do folks define 'world class pole vaulter' '?


It's obviously a question (in all events) that defies a hard and fast answer.

For reasons that are largely pragmatic, I find it sufficient to use the Top 40 lists in the T&FN Annual every year. So for last year in the vault that would have been 5.61 (which I would promptly round down to a nice round 5.60, I'm sure).
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby batonless relay » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:59 am

gh wrote:For reasons that are largely pragmatic, I find it sufficient to use the Top 40 lists in the T&FN Annual every year. So for last year in the vault that would have been 5.61 (which I would promptly round down to a nice round 5.60, I'm sure).

By that definition he can definitely be "world class". I don't think he can in the SP or the 1500; however, he is already in the LJ.

Top-40 in 2012 in the other decathlon events:

10.08 - 100m (I think he can be world class here)
45.25 - 400m (I think he can be world class here)
13.40 - 110h (He already is here)

2.27 - HJ (stretch)
81.74 - JT (not based upon current form, but I think he can be world class here)
64.76 - DT (stretch)
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Marlow » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:15 am

batonless relay wrote:By that definition he can definitely be "world class".

IMO

100 - very close, but couldn't make OG final even with specialization
LJ - is, could medal now
SP - nope
HJ - nope
400 - could medal if it were his only event

110H - probably could medal if only event
DT - nope
PV - could medal if only event
JT - nope
1500 - Nevah!

If he trained exclusively for just one event this is the order in which he would excel
1. LJ
2. 400
3. PV
4. 110H
5. 100
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Fortius19 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:33 am

Marlow wrote:If he trained exclusively for just one event this is the order in which he would excel
1. LJ
2. 400
3. PV
4. 110H
5. 100


That didn't work out so well for Caro. It's been mentioned here before that some multi-eventers do better in one particular event when they train for multis vs. specializing in that event.

I'd want to see AE's top 20 marks or so per event before I voted on his one event potential, not just his PR. Moreover, the 400IH would be interesting!
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby batonless relay » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:42 am

Disagree about the 100. Completely. I think he has the ability to make the final in Rio if he quit everything to be a 100m guy (and I'm not just talking by time, since it only takes 10.0x to make a global final, I'm talking about US Team - which would mean sub-9.90). Why? In 2011 he ran 6.66 in Tallin in February! Now of the top sprinters in 2011 how did 6.66 compare?

6.66 - Jimmy Vicaut (10.07 outdoors in 2011)
6.67 - Monzavous Edwards (10.13 outdoors in 2011)
6.68 - Ivory Williams (10.02 outdoors in 2011)

There is probably no one on any list in the last 10 years who has worked LESS on pure sprinting than Ashton Eaton and has managed to still run sub-6.70. No one. And, there are still many full-time sprinters who go through entire indoor seasons struggling for that mark - and not reaching it. This isn't the case of a European working exclusively on acceleration pattern; we're talking about a decathlete.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Dave » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:36 am

bushop wrote:
polevaultpower wrote:If he focused on pole vault he would likely have no trouble being world class. I've seen some incredible takeoffs out of him 8-)

How do folks define 'world class pole vaulter' '?


5.70-5.80 depending on the year.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby Dave » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:48 am

Marlow wrote:Hands up for those who think he's already in the right event. :D


Clearly, he is in the right event. I do think the PV is an underdeveloped strength for him in the context of the decathlon. His basic athleticism combined with the fact that he has already jumped 5.30 makes me believe that he has at least another 30cm in him without messing up his other events.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:17 am

Those guys that were hitting 5.40/5.30 at the NCAAs are a good 1000+ points behind him and further ahead on the vault at a younger age (Lazas, Ziemek; Cato). If it is even a consideration with Eaton, it would be much more so for those three.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:22 pm

26mi235 wrote:Those guys that were hitting 5.40/5.30 at the NCAAs are a good 1000+ points behind him and further ahead on the vault at a younger age (Lazas, Ziemek; Cato). If it is even a consideration with Eaton, it would be much more so for those three.


Not sure when those guys started vaulting. Eaton never touched a pole before college. It showed. His first season or two he was literally doing front somersaults over the bar. I assume Eaton has a better 100m and LJ than those guys, that is why I think his maximum potential in the pole vault is higher.

Of course I am quite enjoying seeing so many multi guys vaulting so high, and I hope maybe one or two of them sneak over to the PV only. We seem to be lacking a certain degree of athleticism lately in the US.
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby polevaultpower » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:23 pm

Cooter Brown wrote:Maybe Hardee will specialize in the vault now that he's not the top American decathlete. He definitely has the physical tools to jump 6m+.


I wouldn't be surprised if he did someday, he is a pole vaulter at heart :D
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Re: Eaton to specialize in pole vault someday?

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:38 pm

Cato and Ziemek were both 15-foot high school vaulters (not certain on Zeimek, but at least high-14s), but Cato was very 'raw' as a freshman (even his RS freshman year; he is now a RS junior). Ziemek is a sophomore; he was 5,354/7042 points as a freshman (5937 at NCAA as soph, including the 540 vault). His indoor vault was only 470, but he was up to 510 in a stand-alone vault outdoors.

Eaton has been vaulting longer than
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