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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby GMH454 » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:32 am

I feel worse for all the people robbed, guys like Esser who never got to stand on the Podium. Val whose own enormous archievements were always minimised by the precence of Ostacheat.

Val won some Championships by massive margins, again and again

and in 2016 when the last Belurussian goes, the W Hammer champ, then Moreno would have won 3 worlds and one OG.

also what happens when the retest Lysenko, money is she will fail again, it just reverberates around,
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby iain » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:47 am

JumboElliott wrote:I feel bad for them, much like the East Germans in the 70s and 80s. It doesn't sound like they were given much of a choice.


I agree. It's all too easy for someone (a coach etc) to just slip some 'vitamins' or a 'supplement' into to their food.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby John G » Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:24 am

iain wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:I feel bad for them, much like the East Germans in the 70s and 80s. It doesn't sound like they were given much of a choice.


I agree. It's all too easy for someone (a coach etc) to just slip some 'vitamins' or a 'supplement' into to their food.
I know a former International canoeist who went on a training camp with another country in the late 90s. He said his recovery after sessions and overall performance was at a level he'd never experienced before and was convinced something was being put in their food or drink.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Blues » Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:16 am

mump boy wrote:
pakillo wrote:What's next? Privalova was positive in 1995? Lewis was positive in 1988? Boring! 8-)

And really funny Gatlin wasn't positive at Helsinki 2005 :lol:


It doesn't necessarily mean anything of the sort.

I think we're all unsure of exactly how this re testing procedure is working, are they re testing everything ? are they targeting specific events or countries ? do the new tests only work on certain substances etc etc etc

We've only seen positives from heavy throwers so i would imagine the retesting is specific to substances that are more pervasive in those events

It tell us nothing about other events or individuals


For the most part, only specific banned substances that have become easier to detect (before the statute of limitations is up) have a chance of being detected from a retest. That means that there are still various PEDS that won't be able to be detected during retesting. And we also have to keep in mind that certain PEDS can provide significant performance enhancement during training that persists during later competitions, but as long as the athlete discontinues the drug far enough in advance of the competition it won't be in their systems during the in-competition testing. That means that it's impossible for all cheaters to be caught by in competition testing, whether it be at the time of competition or after the fact. And any cheaters who knew about micro dosing of certain PEDs back in 2005 probably won't be caught by retesting of in-competition samples, just like few if any will be caught today, with the possible exception of the freak occurrences where there's an extremely rare perfectly timed random out of competition test...

I like the idea of retesting old samples though, since athletes who choose to cheat have no guarantee that their current choice of PEDs won't be able to be better detected in the future...
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Tuariki » Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:36 am

iain wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:I feel bad for them, much like the East Germans in the 70s and 80s. It doesn't sound like they were given much of a choice.


I agree. It's all too easy for someone (a coach etc) to just slip some 'vitamins' or a 'supplement' into to their food.

Poor Ostapchuk, poor Tikhon, poor Vikhnevich. It is terrible that these poor victims are being picked on, year after year.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:49 am

John G wrote:
iain wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:I feel bad for them, much like the East Germans in the 70s and 80s. It doesn't sound like they were given much of a choice.


I agree. It's all too easy for someone (a coach etc) to just slip some 'vitamins' or a 'supplement' into to their food.
I know a former International canoeist who went on a training camp with another country in the late 90s. He said his recovery after sessions and overall performance was at a level he'd never experienced before and was convinced something was being put in their food or drink.

Or how about the major cycling teams?
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby pakillo » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:35 am

JumboElliott wrote:
John G wrote:
iain wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:I feel bad for them, much like the East Germans in the 70s and 80s. It doesn't sound like they were given much of a choice.


I agree. It's all too easy for someone (a coach etc) to just slip some 'vitamins' or a 'supplement' into to their food.
I know a former International canoeist who went on a training camp with another country in the late 90s. He said his recovery after sessions and overall performance was at a level he'd never experienced before and was convinced something was being put in their food or drink.

Or how about the major cycling teams?

If Belarus had enormous number of cyclists busted some people like Tuariki would call it a state sponsored doping but sure not in other cases.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby leoesharkey » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:58 pm

Re Ostapchuk Metenolone is only primo, a relatively mild and weak drug used in a stack with other drugs to enhance their properties, no doubt there would have been two injectables like testosterone enanthate and Decca durabolin , with heavy orals like dianabol or anadrol and the primo would have been used to retain strength after she went off the big cycle. Terrible on the endrocrin system of a young woman of child bearing age, no doubt in Belarus your choices are limited to nil. :cry:
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby kamikaze7 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:31 am

I have 2 questions
1. Do they still get to keep their prize money ? If so, where is the deterrent ?
IMO, IAAF should get each athlete to sign a document stating that they will forfeit earnings if they test positive

2. Why does it take 8 years to retest ?
Is the ability to detect doping really 8 years behind ?
Most athletes will have retired after 8 years and thus this is of no consequence.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:13 am

kamikaze7 wrote:I have 2 questions
1. Do they still get to keep their prize money ? If so, where is the deterrent ?
IMO, IAAF should get each athlete to sign a document stating that they will forfeit earnings if they test positive

2. Why does it take 8 years to retest ?
Is the ability to detect doping really 8 years behind ?
Most athletes will have retired after 8 years and thus this is of no consequence.


1. I think dope cheats have to pay back prize money. However I believe World Championships and Olympic games don't pay out prize money. Of course the increased attention and sponsorship will be greater than any single payout and I don't know if sponsorship deals write in clauses for things like that.

2. 8 years is the WADA stated maximum time to retest before giving up.I'm sure they retets random samples at other times or if something is reported. It doesn't take 8 years but just before the 8 years is up they retest with the latest techniques and tests to check nothing was missed before you aren't allowed to retest at all.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby John G » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:13 am

eldanielfire wrote:
kamikaze7 wrote:I have 2 questions
1. Do they still get to keep their prize money ? If so, where is the deterrent ?
IMO, IAAF should get each athlete to sign a document stating that they will forfeit earnings if they test positive

2. Why does it take 8 years to retest ?
Is the ability to detect doping really 8 years behind ?
Most athletes will have retired after 8 years and thus this is of no consequence.


1. I think dope cheats have to pay back prize money. However I believe World Championships and Olympic games don't pay out prize money. Of course the increased attention and sponsorship will be greater than any single payout and I don't know if sponsorship deals write in clauses for things like that.

2. 8 years is the WADA stated maximum time to retest before giving up.I'm sure they retets random samples at other times or if something is reported. It doesn't take 8 years but just before the 8 years is up they retest with the latest techniques and tests to check nothing was missed before you aren't allowed to retest at all.


[Deleted - like an idiot I was just repeating Eldaniefire's last point].
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Re: Has Belarus Cooking School admitted giult?

Postby Daisy » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:14 am

pakillo wrote:
Tuariki wrote:
pakillo wrote:Save your talks on Lukashenko for some other place, really.

The historical record of your postings on this forum make it quite clear you are a great supporter and defender of Ostapchuk and all the other druggies from Belarus.

No, but the way you are obsessed with Ostapchuk makes me wanna poop.

Given she is stealing the limelight from a NZ'er, I'm not surprised he would follow her story.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby br » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:05 am

eldanielfire wrote:1. I think dope cheats have to pay back prize money. However I believe World Championships and Olympic games don't pay out prize money. Of course the increased attention and sponsorship will be greater than any single payout and I don't know if sponsorship deals write in clauses for things like that.


World Championships have prize money.

http://www.iaaf.org/news/news/tdk-and-t ... 0000-world

Individual Events

Winner: US$ 60,000; Silver Medallist: US$ 30,000; Bronze medallist: US$ 20,000; fourth place: US$ 15,000; fifth place: US$ 10,000; sixth place: US$ 6,000; seventh place: US$ 5,000; eighth place: US$ 4,000

Relays

Winners: US$ 80,000; Silver Medallists: US$ 40,000; Bronze Medallists: US$ 20,000; fourth place: US$ 16,000; fifth place: US$ 12,000; sixth place: US$ 8,000; seventh place: US$ 6,000; eighth place: US$ 4,000
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:17 am

I understand that the testing will be most successful technically if they wait almost eight years. However, is the testing 'destructive, so that if they test several years later they cannot also test at eight years? The obvious element is that it will be more of a deterrent and will help the defrauded athletes more if done sooner.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:40 pm

br wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:1. I think dope cheats have to pay back prize money. However I believe World Championships and Olympic games don't pay out prize money. Of course the increased attention and sponsorship will be greater than any single payout and I don't know if sponsorship deals write in clauses for things like that.


World Championships have prize money.

http://www.iaaf.org/news/news/tdk-and-t ... 0000-world

Individual Events

Winner: US$ 60,000; Silver Medallist: US$ 30,000; Bronze medallist: US$ 20,000; fourth place: US$ 15,000; fifth place: US$ 10,000; sixth place: US$ 6,000; seventh place: US$ 5,000; eighth place: US$ 4,000

Relays

Winners: US$ 80,000; Silver Medallists: US$ 40,000; Bronze Medallists: US$ 20,000; fourth place: US$ 16,000; fifth place: US$ 12,000; sixth place: US$ 8,000; seventh place: US$ 6,000; eighth place: US$ 4,000


Ah cheers for that, I didn't know, it's just the Olympics that don't have a winner. I would guess that it is still the attention and exposure to winners and medalists that earn them the big case from sponsors.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby eldanielfire » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:41 pm

br wrote:
eldanielfire wrote:1. I think dope cheats have to pay back prize money. However I believe World Championships and Olympic games don't pay out prize money. Of course the increased attention and sponsorship will be greater than any single payout and I don't know if sponsorship deals write in clauses for things like that.


World Championships have prize money.

http://www.iaaf.org/news/news/tdk-and-t ... 0000-world

Individual Events

Winner: US$ 60,000; Silver Medallist: US$ 30,000; Bronze medallist: US$ 20,000; fourth place: US$ 15,000; fifth place: US$ 10,000; sixth place: US$ 6,000; seventh place: US$ 5,000; eighth place: US$ 4,000

Relays

Winners: US$ 80,000; Silver Medallists: US$ 40,000; Bronze Medallists: US$ 20,000; fourth place: US$ 16,000; fifth place: US$ 12,000; sixth place: US$ 8,000; seventh place: US$ 6,000; eighth place: US$ 4,000


Ah cheers for that, I didn't know, it's just the Olympics that don't have a winner. I would guess that it is still the attention and exposure to winners and medalists that earn them the big case from sponsors.
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Re: Has Belarus Cooking School admitted giult?

Postby Tuariki » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:09 pm

Daisy wrote:
pakillo wrote:
Tuariki wrote:
pakillo wrote:Save your talks on Lukashenko for some other place, really.

The historical record of your postings on this forum make it quite clear you are a great supporter and defender of Ostapchuk and all the other druggies from Belarus.

No, but the way you are obsessed with Ostapchuk makes me wanna poop.

Given she is stealing the limelight from a NZ'er, I'm not surprised he would follow her story.

Thank you Daisy. The only pooping that we have in this story is that left behind by Ostapchuk.

Val is the most dominant woman shot putter in history. This is even more apparent now that we have it as official that Ostapchuk has been a drug cheat from at least 2005 until the London Olympics. Because of the probable PED assistance of all the top shot putters "pre-Val" she, and all of today's clean shot putters, have been denied the right to be listed among the top shot putters in history.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:48 am

The Headlines have this short piece from SI:

Track investigating 17 blood passport violations


The Times of India has a much longer piece:

Speaking at the Tackling Doping in Sport conference in London, Capdevielle said 19 athletes have already been suspended by the IAAF and 17 cases "are currently under proceedings."

"That's a significant number in quite a short period," he said in a separate interview with The Associated Press. "There could be more to come."
...
He declined to give details but said the athletes are from endurance events.

Capdevielle said sanctions for the 17 could be announced at any time, depending on the length of the hearings and any appeals.

"It's more complicated than a standard urine positive so it takes longer to complete the process," he said.

In addition, the IAAF is investigating two cases of steroid use uncovered in the blood profiles, Capdevielle said.



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/athletics/Seventeen-athletes-face-sanctions-in-IAAF-doping-cases/articleshow/18955735.cms
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby JumboElliott » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:48 pm

The majority of the positive tests are going to be a bunch of mid-level Kenyan marathoners that most people have never heard of.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:56 pm

JumboElliott wrote:The majority of the positive tests are going to be a bunch of mid-level Kenyan marathoners that most people have never heard of.



Mid-level Kenyan marathoners; those between 2:07 and 2:09? :lol: :?
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby eldanielfire » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:03 pm

26mi235 wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:The majority of the positive tests are going to be a bunch of mid-level Kenyan marathoners that most people have never heard of.



Mid-level Kenyan marathoners; those between 2:07 and 2:09? :lol: :?


:lol:

In more news, the IAAF are setting up a testing base in Kenya.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/21771213

I'm so hot on the info on Kenya and doping, a lot has suddenly been focusing on them in the past few months, have they historically had many doping issues or is this all coming out now?
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby JumboElliott » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:03 pm

They used to not be able to test them in country for logistical reasons. You can guess why they've made it a priority to increase testing there.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Gabriella » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:46 am

EME News reports 3 positive tests from the Russian Indoor Championships: Mens 400m winner Kruglyakov; womens SP silver medalist Solovyova & mens LJ silver medalist Karavayev.
Supposedly due to 'over the counter supplements'.

The amount of positives coming out of Russia at the moment is getting ridiculous.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Jon » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:06 am

And two athletes from the Russian JUNIOR Indoor Champs have tested positive - Marina Buchelnikova (the world youth bronze medallist in the long jump) and 800m runner Valeria Kharitonova.

Gabriella wrote:The amount of positives coming out of Russia at the moment is getting ridiculous.
There were NINE different announcements in just one day on the RUSADA website :shock:
http://www.rusada.ru/en/press/news
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Ned Ryerson » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:04 am

JumboElliott wrote:They used to not be able to test them in country for logistical reasons. You can guess why they've made it a priority to increase testing there.


Highly misleading statement. Out of competition testing as been in that part of the world for decades. There hasn't been a lab there certified to conduct the testing, meaning samples had to be flown of the country for analysis, but collection has always happened where the athletes are living/training.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby 26mi235 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:12 am

My impression is that because of the difficulty of such testing that it was not done at nearly the frequency that it might otherwise be done. If so, I am not sure that the statement is 'highly' misleading.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:25 am

Gabriella wrote:EME News reports 3 positive tests from the Russian Indoor Championships: Mens 400m winner Kruglyakov; womens SP silver medalist Solovyova & mens LJ silver medalist Karavayev.
Supposedly due to 'over the counter supplements'.

The amount of positives coming out of Russia at the moment is getting ridiculous.


It is. I'm wondering with the shear variety of failed druggies here, is the Russian fed poorly educating their athletes? Or coaches are doing the dirty without consent? Sure Russia has more than their fair share of intentional cheats but they can't all be doing the exact same thing but over the counter stuff after some of the roids that have been discovered?
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby gh » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:15 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:They used to not be able to test them in country for logistical reasons. You can guess why they've made it a priority to increase testing there.


Highly misleading statement. Out of competition testing as been in that part of the world for decades. There hasn't been a lab there certified to conduct the testing, meaning samples had to be flown of the country for analysis, but collection has always happened where the athletes are living/training.


Partially true, but at least in the early days of out-of-competition testing (think the IAAF's "flying squad"), pre-WADA and the other ADAs, and in far tighter political times, the ability of a foreign tester to show up on Soviet soil truly "unannounced" was of course a joke.

Any place where a tester has to go through a visa process raises the chances of not being a surprise element.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby JumboElliott » Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:06 am

I'm talking about blood testing too. Urine testing only goes so far.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Ned Ryerson » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:40 am

26mi235 wrote:My impression is that because of the difficulty of such testing that it was not done at nearly the frequency that it might otherwise be done. If so, I am not sure that the statement is 'highly' misleading.


I don't think that's founded (you can look at the testing statistics for out of competition tests for yourself and judge).
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Ned Ryerson » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:42 am

gh wrote:
Ned Ryerson wrote:
JumboElliott wrote:They used to not be able to test them in country for logistical reasons. You can guess why they've made it a priority to increase testing there.


Highly misleading statement. Out of competition testing as been in that part of the world for decades. There hasn't been a lab there certified to conduct the testing, meaning samples had to be flown of the country for analysis, but collection has always happened where the athletes are living/training.


Partially true, but at least in the early days of out-of-competition testing (think the IAAF's "flying squad"), pre-WADA and the other ADAs, and in far tighter political times, the ability of a foreign tester to show up on Soviet soil truly "unannounced" was of course a joke.

Any place where a tester has to go through a visa process raises the chances of not being a surprise element.


Which is why in that brief period in which out of competition testing and the Iron Curtain coexisted, you would figure on the IAAF employing Yugoslavian testers.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Ned Ryerson » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:45 am

JumboElliott wrote:I'm talking about blood testing too. Urine testing only goes so far.


Yes, but it's not as if blood tests are standard or even common for out of competition testing, which is why they're making an effort to collect blood samples when they can, such as from everybody at the major championships.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:44 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:
26mi235 wrote:My impression is that because of the difficulty of such testing that it was not done at nearly the frequency that it might otherwise be done. If so, I am not sure that the statement is 'highly' misleading.


I don't think that's founded (you can look at the testing statistics for out of competition tests for yourself and judge).


This does not seem to fit with the efforts to establish something 'locally' and with a whole bunch of comments to the contrary - they must be right, they are rife on LetsRun.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Blues » Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:11 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:
26mi235 wrote:My impression is that because of the difficulty of such testing that it was not done at nearly the frequency that it might otherwise be done. If so, I am not sure that the statement is 'highly' misleading.


I don't think that's founded (you can look at the testing statistics for out of competition tests for yourself and judge).


I didn't necessarily think the original statement was highly misleading...

Are there statistics that show the number of successfully tested samples that were actually collected in Kenya? The statistics on random tests I've seen don't say where the sample was collected, only that the athlete was tested. If I'm not mistaken, an athlete can be anywhere and be subjected to a random test, so it's entirely possible that a number of Kenyan athletes who have records of being tested out-of-competition could have been tested in areas they'd traveled to.

And if random testing occurred in another nation prior to, or shortly after, a foreign competition, the chances of an athlete having a PED in his or her system at the time would be extremely low, despite the fact that the test qualified as a random test for statistical purposes. As is often reported, in Kenya, the remoteness of many of the training venues, combined with the fact that it was frequently impossible to get samples to an accredited lab for testing within the mandatory 36 hours, made the testing of samples collected in Kenya extremely difficult to accomplish. Even if samples had been collected in Kenya as frequently as in any other nation, many couldn't be successfully tested within the required amount of time...
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Ned Ryerson » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:25 am

Blues wrote:
I didn't necessarily think the original statement was highly misleading...

Are there statistics that show the number of successfully tested samples that were actually collected in Kenya? The statistics on random tests I've seen don't say where the sample was collected, only that the athlete was tested. If I'm not mistaken, an athlete can be anywhere and be subjected to a random test, so it's entirely possible that a number of Kenyan athletes who have records of being tested out-of-competition could have been tested in areas they'd traveled to.

And if random testing occurred in another nation prior to, or shortly after, a foreign competition, the chances of an athlete having a PED in his or her system at the time would be extremely low, despite the fact that the test qualified as a random test for statistical purposes. As is often reported, in Kenya, the remoteness of many of the training venues, combined with the fact that it was frequently impossible to get samples to an accredited lab for testing within the mandatory 36 hours, made the testing of samples collected in Kenya extremely difficult to accomplish. Even if samples had been collected in Kenya as frequently as in any other nation, many couldn't be successfully tested within the required amount of time...


How do you figure that it takes so long to get back to the lab? It's about less than a five hour drive from Iten to Nairobi and a four and a half hour flight to Johannesburg.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby JumboElliott » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:31 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:
26mi235 wrote:My impression is that because of the difficulty of such testing that it was not done at nearly the frequency that it might otherwise be done. If so, I am not sure that the statement is 'highly' misleading.


I don't think that's founded (you can look at the testing statistics for out of competition tests for yourself and judge).

Someone would have to be an idiot to show up at a major championship with stuff in their system.

The best way to catch them is to blood test them as frequently as possible outside of competition.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby 26mi235 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:21 am

Ned Ryerson wrote:
Blues wrote:
I didn't necessarily think the original statement was highly misleading...

Are there statistics that show the number of successfully tested samples that were actually collected in Kenya? The statistics on random tests I've seen don't say where the sample was collected, only that the athlete was tested. If I'm not mistaken, an athlete can be anywhere and be subjected to a random test, so it's entirely possible that a number of Kenyan athletes who have records of being tested out-of-competition could have been tested in areas they'd traveled to.

And if random testing occurred in another nation prior to, or shortly after, a foreign competition, the chances of an athlete having a PED in his or her system at the time would be extremely low, despite the fact that the test qualified as a random test for statistical purposes. As is often reported, in Kenya, the remoteness of many of the training venues, combined with the fact that it was frequently impossible to get samples to an accredited lab for testing within the mandatory 36 hours, made the testing of samples collected in Kenya extremely difficult to accomplish. Even if samples had been collected in Kenya as frequently as in any other nation, many couldn't be successfully tested within the required amount of time...


How do you figure that it takes so long to get back to the lab? It's about less than a five hour drive from Iten to Nairobi and a four and a half hour flight to Johannesburg.


Because that is a very expensive way to do testing and the number of tests are limited. Further, how often do you get the flight and how often is it more than five hours, ... It would not be the issue that it is if it were simple. You seem to think it is not an issue, but the IAAF/WADA (?) have been working to improve things. The large number (17?) of positives that seem to come from apparently good/not-great runners there would indicate that they have previously tested them on site seldom and that athletes have been taking advantage of that. It is not unlikely that the top guys are much more likely to be those that do get tested in/near Iten and other sites.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby pakillo » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:32 am

So, are we still waiting to hear 17 suspected names they talked about? What a joke!!!
One can only imagine how they select and filter out certain results :|
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Ned Ryerson » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:15 am

JumboElliott wrote:
Someone would have to be an idiot to show up at a major championship with stuff in their system.

The best way to catch them is to blood test them as frequently as possible outside of competition.


I agree, but out of competition blood tests aren't yet the norm, America and Europe included.
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Re: Five medallists positive tests from 2005 World champs

Postby Ned Ryerson » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:23 am

26mi235 wrote:Because that is a very expensive way to do testing and the number of tests are limited. Further, how often do you get the flight and how often is it more than five hours, ... It would not be the issue that it is if it were simple. You seem to think it is not an issue, but the IAAF/WADA (?) have been working to improve things. The large number (17?) of positives that seem to come from apparently good/not-great runners there would indicate that they have previously tested them on site seldom and that athletes have been taking advantage of that. It is not unlikely that the top guys are much more likely to be those that do get tested in/near Iten and other sites.


What makes you think tests in that part of the world are being limited on the basis of cost when you see that, in 2011, Sofia Assefa and Kenenisa Bekele were both subject to more out of competition tests than any South African athlete (where the samples are tested)?

The 17 we're waiting to hear on are going probably better than average, having been snared by the bio passports, because they probably gave blood at either the last world championships or Olympics.
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