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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:32 am

i can see rupp taking time off with the indoor season over

mo farah did the new orleans half marathon

and do only half the london marathon

i guess this is how salazar preps farah for moscow

rupp races where once outdoor starts, prefontaine??
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:14 am

emily infeld has selectedthe 3k and scratched the mile

so the 3k looks to be a battle between uhl and infeld

leaving the mile to be the nike oregon battle moser, bowman brown cain

800 price and wilson with cain entered butis she really doing the round and the final
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby dj » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:25 am

az2004 wrote:800 price and wilson with cain entered butis she really doing the round and the final


With only eight entered and seven declared, I would imagine the 800 heats will be cancelled.

The more pertinent question is whether someone would double back when the Mile and 800 start only 20 minutes apart.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:35 am

that was my point earlier

sounds like angelo taylor 400h and 400 m at trials 2008

i think ajee wins 800

and cain wins mile
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:48 am

az2004 wrote:that was my point earlier

sounds like angelo taylor 400h and 400 m at trials 2008

i think ajee wins 800

and cain wins mile


If your prediction comes true......and I think it IS possible!!.....would that be the first time TWO teenagers won national titles in one meet??

Closest I can think of would be the 1965 AAU....when Ryun beat Snell in the 1 mile, and Lindgren came THIS close to beating OG Champ Mills in the 6 mile, both timed in a WR 27:11.6.
Ryun was 18 and Lindgren was 19.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:08 am

now that i know who dj is, he's the expert ontrivia

think the caliber of competition in 1960s give them the edge

i still dont know why they entered cain in 800 and mile

i do think the 800 is tough race for cain as i dont know if she has done much 800 specific training yet, mile and 2mile yes, 800 no
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:37 am

is there any live streaming of usftf indoors??
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:50 am

az2004 wrote:now that i know who dj is, he's the expert ontrivia

think the caliber of competition in 1960s give them the edge

i still dont know why they entered cain in 800 and mile

i do think the 800 is tough race for cain as i dont know if she has done much 800 specific training yet, mile and 2mile yes, 800 no


There was an interview with Cain where she said she finished a hard workout AFTER one of her record races this year......with a VERY fast 200!!

How fast, I have no idea!!
But something tells me Cain is (or will be) capable of going faster than her "PR" of 55 for 400.
I think she'll eventually at least match Slaney's reported 400 PR of 52-something!

If she can burn a 200 AFTER a record breaking race, I'd say she's ready NOW for a fast 800!!

Only barrier to another record.....or records!!...for her will be Albuquerque's altitude!!
Has she ever raced at altitude before.....anywhere??
Has she ever TRAINED at altitude before??
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby ed gee » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:57 am

She trains at altitude every day, Bronxville is 28 meters.

I have no idea if she has trained at high altitude, ie 2400 meters.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Dutra5 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:30 am

aaronk wrote:
az2004 wrote:now that i know who dj is, he's the expert ontrivia

think the caliber of competition in 1960s give them the edge

i still dont know why they entered cain in 800 and mile

i do think the 800 is tough race for cain as i dont know if she has done much 800 specific training yet, mile and 2mile yes, 800 no


There was an interview with Cain where she said she finished a hard workout AFTER one of her record races this year......with a VERY fast 200!!

How fast, I have no idea!!
But something tells me Cain is (or will be) capable of going faster than her "PR" of 55 for 400.
I think she'll eventually at least match Slaney's reported 400 PR of 52-something!

If she can burn a 200 AFTER a record breaking race, I'd say she's ready NOW for a fast 800!!

Only barrier to another record.....or records!!...for her will be Albuquerque's altitude!!
Has she ever raced at altitude before.....anywhere??
Has she ever TRAINED at altitude before??


Salazar trained athletes have been reported to run workouts after their races for a bit of time now so it's not surprising that Cain would do so as well. This also points out that the body probably recovers...in the short term at least...a lot more quickly than some think.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 8:47 am

the workout was after the boston 2 mile

erdmann and moser and cain

seemed to be a ladder type wokout 800.600, 400 and 200

dont know the times though thought her final 200 at millrose was 29
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:50 am

http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield ... alb_7.html

cain to do 800 not mile at usatf

salazar talks about the decision and college for cain

will do school, but running for a school is not yet decided
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:42 am

jesse squire on front page wrote

Mary Cain vs The Pros (800 meters)
USATF Championships
Albuquerque Convention Center
Sunday, 3:04 pm local time (5:04pm ET)
Cain has been on a hot streak, breaking decades-old high school records and beating top pros at meets like the Millrose Games. This weekend she has entered the 800 meters at the USATF Championships. It’s a distance she hasn’t run yet this year, but few top runners have entered the event save Chanelle Price. I can’t recall the last time a high schooler won a senior USATF championship, let alone a high school junior.


seems he forgot all about ajee wilson who seems nver to have lost to cain at 800 mters

i bet on ajee again as mary spped training doesnt match the 600 wilson ha s run
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:30 am

az2004 wrote:jesse squire on front page wrote

Mary Cain vs The Pros (800 meters)
USATF Championships
Albuquerque Convention Center
Sunday, 3:04 pm local time (5:04pm ET)
Cain has been on a hot streak, breaking decades-old high school records and beating top pros at meets like the Millrose Games. This weekend she has entered the 800 meters at the USATF Championships. It’s a distance she hasn’t run yet this year, but few top runners have entered the event save Chanelle Price. I can’t recall the last time a high schooler won a senior USATF championship, let alone a high school junior.


seems he forgot all about ajee wilson who seems nver to have lost to cain at 800 mters

i bet on ajee again as mary spped training doesnt match the 600 wilson ha s run


I pick Cain!
Yes, Ajee has the better time (so far!), and the better 600.

But Mary's 2:03.34 was run a year ago.
IMO, she's much improved since then.
I think she could run 4:08 or faster right NOW!!
And come close to, if not better, Ajee's 2:00.91......and do it INDOORS!!
She has speed (her fast 200 in that post-race workout!), strength over distance, and a great kick!
Ajee is a GREAT runner, and I see her going sub-2:00 this year, but she hasn't come close to Cain's accomplishments this indoor season!
Her best 800 this year is a 2:05.

Will Ajee's 600 time translate to a fast 800?
It might.
But there's evidence to prove that fast 600 people (men or women) aren't always as good over 800.

So I'm picking Cain at USATF.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:03 am

salara said in the article

"But I want her to try the 800. She is not really trained for it. It's a little out of her comfort zone. But right now we need to focus on a process that will make her better over time rather than focusing on winning or setting records."

The idea is to sharpen the speed Cain will need outdoors against elite competition


ajee will chase price, basiclly sit on her and cain will sit in ajee, and ajee moves final200

i have ajee winning

salazar is sharing the speed to win when it counts at world youth in ukraine
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Walt Murphy » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:39 am

Alberto changed his mind--Cain is running the mile. And Centro is only running the 800--unless he doesn't make the final.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:50 am

or did nbc change his mind

or did alberto watch this 800 from last year'


http://www.flotrack.org/speaker/8030-Aj ... onals-2012
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby lonewolf » Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:36 pm

az2004 wrote:or did nbc change his mind


It can happen.. two years ago at Albuquerque, TV and meet management could not agree on which side of long jump pit the scope rail should be. Five minutes before jump time, the rail was removed and we were told to measure with a tape... slight problem, we were not staffed to do that efficiently..it was not pretty but we doubled up positions and got er dun...and Deloach jumped 6.99.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:33 pm

http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/ ... sults.aspx

800 heats for women cain not in eitehr heat


womes mile start list

Treniere MoserNike
2Sarah BrownNew Balance
3Brie Felnagleadidas
4Catherine BeckCentral Park Track Club (CPTC)
5Dana MeckeUnattached
6Mary CainUnattached
8Erin KochUnattached
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:12 pm

alberto changes his mind again

http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield ... n_las.html

Salazar said Cain will run the mile instead, because he wants the teenager from Bronxville, N.Y. to gain experience in a tactical race.

"She needs to learn how to run in packs when the pace is slow," said Salazar, who is coaching Cain. "After this there are few meets that I could get her into that would be like that."


Salazar said if Cain can handle tactical races, he expects her to be in position to qualify for the World Outdoor Championships this summer.

is this moscow then alberto????
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:02 pm

One thing that wiggles into my mind every now and then is......What will happen when Cain has her first REALLY bad race.....or has something REALLY bad happen to her??

So far, even though she's lost a few races, you can't say it was lack of talent that made her lose.....It was the fact she was facing PRO runners (including Olympians!!) as a 16 year old HS kid!!

But what happens when/if she has her.....God forbid!.....first injury, or falls in a race, or just has a LOUSY day...for whatever reason?

How will she react?
Thus far, she's dealt with her losses in a great way....acknowledging she was facing people like Dibaba, and couldn't expect to win.

But here, she's being made the favorite.
So if she doesn't win....or that "BAD" thing happens.....will she have the inner strength to get past it??

I think so....but being the chronic worrier I am.....I can't help but wonder.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby 4:24-miler » Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:43 pm

aaronk wrote:One thing that wiggles into my mind every now and then is......What will happen when Cain has her first REALLY bad race.....or has something REALLY bad happen to her??

So far, even though she's lost a few races, you can't say it was lack of talent that made her lose.....It was the fact she was facing PRO runners (including Olympians!!) as a 16 year old HS kid!!

But what happens when/if she has her.....God forbid!.....first injury, or falls in a race, or just has a LOUSY day...for whatever reason?

How will she react?
Thus far, she's dealt with her losses in a great way....acknowledging she was facing people like Dibaba, and couldn't expect to win.

But here, she's being made the favorite.
So if she doesn't win....or that "BAD" thing happens.....will she have the inner strength to get past it??

I think so....but being the chronic worrier I am.....I can't help but wonder.

What will happen is that Cain will be called "overrated" and a "has-been". Cain will be criticized for being selfish with a huge ego. People will say she was over-trained and peaked too early. Cain's parents and Alberto Salazar will be criticized for "forcing" Mary for growing up "too soon" and wasn't allowed to just be a "normal teenager". They will be criticized for steering Mary away from NCAA track because everyone "knows" you have to run NCAA track to get the "proper experience" and "learn how to race". And people will start about 25 Mary Cain threads about Cain's fall from grace here at TFN and about 125 threads over at Letsrun.

As for Cain dealing with losing, didn't she lose at the 2011 WJC in the 1500 by quite a bit? I think she finished 6th, way back of the leaders. Cain lost to Sarah Baxter in XC back in November as well. It didn't seem to bother her.

I don't know Mary Cain. Just from what I seen in interview she seems like a joyful young lady who doesn't take herself too seriously.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby ExRun » Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:13 pm

aaronk wrote:
But here, she's being made the favorite.
So if she doesn't win....or that "BAD" thing happens.....will she have the inner strength to get past it??

I think so....but being the chronic worrier I am.....I can't help but wonder.


Mary has lost races where she expected to win and she always puts a positive spin on it... When she lost to Sarah Baxter at NXN this year she said something like..."everyone on the starting line wanted to win and of all those girls I came the closest to winning". So I wouldn't worry about how she will react to losing, she is very together. Sarah Baxter on the other hand says she looses sleep at night worrying about not winning...the best thing that could happen to her is to lose a race so she can relax and have fun running races.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:58 am

cain in the 2012 hs millrose mile was 4th in the race

yet bounced back to run 4:11 at world juniors

so she had a bad race yet qualified for world juniors and made the finals and raced girls 3 years oldeer than she is

saw the baxter xc race in the mud

baxter will be good at longer distances

cain 2:03 800 apples and oranges

i wouldn't worry about either

but differnet distances
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:14 am

Okay, folks, crunch time!!
(Well, in a few hours, at least!)

With the altitude probably making the race a strategic one, I'm a bit worried about Cain's ability to hold a SUSTAINED kick!!

She's almost unbeatable in the last 200....or even 400....as proven at Penn last year, and in Seattle this year.

But what happens if, say, they go out cautiously in 70 and 75, for 2:25 at the 880.
Will someone (other than Cain, who rely's mostly on her final 400 or 200) take it out from that point, and run a sustained kick of, say 66, then 64.......for a final time of 4:35??

Would Cain hold back with, say, a 68 or 69 third 400, causing her to have to run a final 400 of 61 or 62??

I think.....IF the race were at sea level!!....Cain might be capable of a sub-60 final 400 in a TACTICAL race!!

But not at altitude!!
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:47 am

cain should sit on bowman, and when she makes her mover cover it

i think bowman or moseer go about 600 to get a gap on cain

remember cain and moser are in same tarining group
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:52 pm

MARY CAIN WINS!!!

59.1 last 440!!!

I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

And SCREW my OVERuse of exclamation points!!

THIS DESERVES A MILLION OF THEM!!!!!! :D :D :D
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Dave » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:58 pm

Congratulations to her for winning this.

I'll be curious to see if the response for this is greater than the response for Suhr's WR.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:00 pm

When was the last time.....if ever!....that Cain ran a 5:05 mile??

And won the race!!

But a 59.1 last lap.
This race was made for her.

I've been VERY critical of "tactical" races....men or women.....and I still am!!

But when I heard the words....

Mary Cain, UNITED STATES NATIONAL CHAMPION......

I kinda FORGOT my hatred of those kind of races!! :D
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Master Po » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:16 pm

Congratulations to Cain for her win. (I would have put some exclamation points there, but aaronk used them all... :) )

I'm sure there some will be quick to point out all the reasons we should not be excited about this -- slow time, quality of field (solid but not great), etc., etc., but it's good to remind ourselves as we have gotten accustomed to watching Cain this winter that (a) she is just a 16yo HS junior, (b) this is her first season of running with professionals and post-collegiates. What impresses me about her now is her race sense -- she seems unafraid to go the front, to respond to others' moves, to work with a variety of paces, as others put on the brakes or accelerate past her. It seems clear that she has lots of talent -- in the simple physical, able to run fast, sense; but she also seems to have a good head for racing. I think Salazar was right to want her to have the experience of this race, which was likely to be tactically slow, with a rapid finish. Cain handled it very well.

And if my math is right, her last 400 was 58.61.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby az2004 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:29 pm

the said 58.6 on tv

when she grows up, what will ber kick really be

2:55 800 then 29 29 last 2 laps

thats how you win''

she showed tactical genius

ajee showed why she did what she did
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:47 pm

My question is.....why so SLOWWWWWWW??
The guys ran sub-4:00.....3 of them did!!
So if they defied all the altitude myths....like Kip Keino did in Mexico City!....why weren't the other long races faster than 8:07 (men's 3K), 9:23 (women's 3K), or that SLUGgish paced women's mile??

I'm SUPER happy Mary won, but GEEZ!, 5:05??

What were the other gals thinking....especially Moser and Bowman Brown. who had LOST to Cain's kick before??
They GAVE that race to Cain!!

With a 58.6 last 400, I'm now predicting she can beat ANY United States runner now!
Including Simpson, Uceny et al!
I'm certain that, if it had been necessary, she could have run FASTER that last quarter....maybe 57 or 56!!

I discount her announced PR of 55.
I'm guessing she's capable of 53 now...and will be capable of 52 eventually.....just like Slaney.

And I'm ALSO predicting she WILL be....barring the unforeseen.....she WILL be on our WC team THIS year!!

And she just might be # ONE American!!
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:31 pm

Just saw the complete video.....on RunnerSpace!
Watched it 3 times....so far....and here's what I saw:

Cain leads right away, but keeps it slow, at 40.7 for the first 209 meters. (First "lap" measurement INCLUDED the extra 9 meters! All other laps appeared to be for each 200.)

They slow it down to 85 for the first 409, no one really leading, but Cain up front in a row with 2-3 others.

Cain temporarily falls back, but just a bit, hitting 609 in about 2:09.

Mecke (Who IS she?? Never heard of her before!) goes into the lead, but it's still VERY slow, as they run (WALK??) another 46, hitting 809 in 2:55. That's 5:50 mile pace!!

Everyone is bunched....like in a bike race!
You're just waiting for someone to make the first move!!

Pace stays pretty sedate for another 200, as they hit 1009 in 3:34, but you can sense they're ready to RUN!!

Mecke makes the first move, but Cain matches it, and then some!
It's all Cain's show from here on.

She runs 32 for her next 200.
But Mecke and Moser stay close.

At one point, just as they're coming off the curve, at about 1250, Mecke APPEARS to touch Cain's back.
It's nowhere NEAR the "contact" Uhl made with Reilly in the last part of the 3K, but when the "touch" (??) is made, Cain RIPS ahead...and there's an INSTANT 3 meter gap, Cain in front.

She runs 29.27 and 29.34....clearly in the lead, and clearly the winner!!....her last two laps.

After the race, as she's walking back, there are NO hugs, NO back slaps or hand shaking....not even EYE contact!!!

Were they PISSED at her...having been beaten.....no, HUMILIATED!!....by a 16 year old CHILD??

Was MARY being the arrogant one....the unfriendly one...as she's NEVER been post-race??

Why did no one congratulate her??

FANTASTIC video!!
Check it out!
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:49 pm

aaronk wrote:Just saw the complete video.....on RunnerSpace!
Watched it 3 times....so far....and here's what I saw:

Cain leads right away, but keeps it slow, at 40.7 for the first 209 meters. (First "lap" measurement INCLUDED the extra 9 meters! All other laps appeared to be for each 200.)

They slow it down to 85 for the first 409, no one really leading, but Cain up front in a row with 2-3 others.

Cain temporarily falls back, but just a bit, hitting 609 in about 2:09.

Mecke (Who IS she?? Never heard of her before!) goes into the lead, but it's still VERY slow, as they run (WALK??) another 46, hitting 809 in 2:55. That's 5:50 mile pace!!

Everyone is bunched....like in a bike race!
You're just waiting for someone to make the first move!!

Pace stays pretty sedate for another 200, as they hit 1009 in 3:34, but you can sense they're ready to RUN!!

Mecke makes the first move, but Cain matches it, and then some!
It's all Cain's show from here on.

She runs 32 for her next 200.
But Mecke and Moser stay close.

At one point, just as they're coming off the curve, at about 1250, Mecke APPEARS to touch Cain's back.
It's nowhere NEAR the "contact" Uhl made with Reilly in the last part of the 3K, but when the "touch" (??) is made, Cain RIPS ahead...and there's an INSTANT 3 meter gap, Cain in front.

She runs 29.27 and 29.34....clearly in the lead, and clearly the winner!!....her last two laps.

After the race, as she's walking back, there are NO hugs, NO back slaps or hand shaking....not even EYE contact!!!

Were they PISSED at her...having been beaten.....no, HUMILIATED!!....by a 16 year old CHILD??

Was MARY being the arrogant one....the unfriendly one...as she's NEVER been post-race??

Why did no one congratulate her??

FANTASTIC video!!
Check it out!


Thanks for the play by play for a race I'd imagine you are the only one who did not watch live who is participating in this particular subject matter.

The reaction after the race is just noise. Why didn't Jeremy Wariner immediately rush over to see if Batman was ok?
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:53 pm

aaronk wrote:
With a 58.6 last 400, I'm now predicting she can beat ANY United States runner now!
Including Simpson, Uceny et al!
I'm certain that, if it had been necessary, she could have run FASTER that last quarter....maybe 57 or 56!!


We don't know if she can kick with the likes of Uceny and Simpson off a low 4:00 pace. She should be eventually but she'd need to be able to run close to 4:00 to kick off that kind of pace. That might be a bit much right now.

She probably is in the top 3 or 4 Americans right now pending on who shows up healthy Outdoors.

She won a race she should have won which is a good thing.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Master Po » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:58 pm

Aaronk,
Thanks for pointing out the video - just watched it - great run - great acceleration in the last 400. As for your question about post-race interaction, I have no idea but I'll ofer this: after the finish, when Cain walks away toward the infield, to be interviewed I guess, most of the other runners were still clutching their knees. (Also, they aren't Canadian like Sheila Reid, and so just are not as nice...) :)
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby aaronk » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:23 pm

A few corrections to my race description above:

Time was 83.8 first 409, not 85, with Cain and Moser in front.
At 609, it was Moser barely ahead of Cain., in about 2:09 or 2:10.
At 809, it was Vaughn, not Mecke, who led.
At 1009, Vaughn still led, but by inches, with Moser and Bowman-Brown following.
They passed 1209 in 4:06.8.
At about 1260--mid-curve--Cain pulls ahead for good.
And there was NO TOUCH by anyone....so I was mistaken.
But when I THOUGHT I'd seen the "touch" was when Cain opened that INSTANT 3 meter gap!

Guess I was too excited earlier to note the correct details!!

And no, I did NOT see the race on TV.
I don't have my TV working, so I "saw"....or rather HEARD.....the race on that "Live Webcast"!!

So the video was the first time I SAW the race!!
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby kuha » Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:00 pm

Pretty unusual half mile splits here: 2:55 and 2:10.
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby Master Po » Sun Mar 03, 2013 6:42 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
With a 58.6 last 400, I'm now predicting she can beat ANY United States runner now!
Including Simpson, Uceny et al!
I'm certain that, if it had been necessary, she could have run FASTER that last quarter....maybe 57 or 56!!


We don't know if she can kick with the likes of Uceny and Simpson off a low 4:00 pace. She should be eventually but she'd need to be able to run close to 4:00 to kick off that kind of pace. That might be a bit much right now.

She probably is in the top 3 or 4 Americans right now pending on who shows up healthy Outdoors.

She won a race she should have won which is a good thing.


Agree with most of what you stated here, except for the last statment. I'm probably just dense, but I did not think prior to the event that this was a race that she should win. I thought she could, maybe, win, but she was only superior to two of the other six runners: Mecke (mile PB 4:39, 2013) and Koch (1500 PB 4:18, 2012). As for the other four, they have clearly superior resumes:

Moser 4:03 PB and 4:09 from last year. 2006 WIC finalist, other WC too, and multiple USATF championships, iirc.

Felnagle 4:08 PB last year, 7th at OT and iirc also NCAA 1500 m champion

Vaughn 4:08 PB last year & ran at 2012 WIC (but did not advance to final, irrc)

Bowman Brown 4:05 PB & 4:08 last year, 6th at OT, 8th at 2010 WIC, & iirc also NCAA champion indoors.

That's four very good (in the context of USA) 1500/mile runners with success at the national level (NCAA and/or USATF) and experience at international championships (WC and/or WIC).

So, I actually thought any of these four might win, and probably would have picked any one of them over Cain had I been required to make a prediction. As it turned out, I was very impressed with the way she competed with this group of much much more experienced runners, each of whom has run faster than Cain on more than one occasion, and each of whom has participated in multiple championships (e.g., NCAA, USATF and WC/WIC).
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Re: mary cain at indoor nationals in NM

Postby jazzcyclist » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:13 pm

kuha wrote:Pretty unusual half mile splits here: 2:55 and 2:10.

I guessing that a lot of 800 runners, and perhaps even a few 400 runners, wish they would have been in that race.
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