Isn't it amazing that this 16 year old kid might be FAVORED TO WIN the USATF Championship mile?? Unless people like Uceny, Simpson, Pierce enter, Cain just might be the favorite!! She's lost to Bowman, but she also beat her!! I don't think Moser will be a serious factor.
But I can't believe there will be just 3 women in the race!! (I'm assuming Cain will run the mile!!)
same for ajee wilson, who races channlle price in the 800
uceny, simpson, pierce are thinking moscow in august and who knows what shape they are in now
I agree that at altitude the win will be more important than the time. I do NOT expect Cain (or anyone!!) to improve their PR in New Mexico!!
But to beat Bowman (Like I said, Cain is now 1-1 vs Bowman in 1 mile races!), Cain will need to either jump first and force Bowman to try to outkick her.......or go IMMEDIATELY with Bowman if she moves first.....and don't depend on her last 200 or 300!!
As for the 800, I see an easy win for Wilson over Price. But who else is in that race?? Any sub-2:00's??
gh wrote:In a year with no World Champs to qualify for, you can probably expect lots of shallow fields in ABQ next week.
This is not how it used to be. To what shall we attribute this? The 'peaking' phenomenon - no one willing to come out of training for the outdoor scene? A lack of an indoor circuit to prepare oneself? The death of indoors altogether?
Meanwhile, the college indoor scene is chugging along very nicely . . .
I think conor has it right, and I think gh has it right, too. The fact that this championship doesn't lead you to the WIC does matter. Any meet has to be "incentivized" relative to other opportunities. For some up and coming athletes who are seeking opportunities (Mary Cain being a currently high profile example) the national championship is incentive enough. For others with their sights set on outdoors, or other things, having the national championships placed in ABQ, in a year without the WIC coming up, etc. would be sufficient I would think for some/many top athletes to stay home.
Marlow may have it right too, at least in part (not a critique, Marlow -- you gave many possible reasons! ). If the "peaking" thing is a way of describing frequency of racing, then in this era, athletes seem to race less often than in the good old days (which I missed, by the way) -- when I read about those days on here, I note how frequently some athletes raced indoors.
As for the "indoor track is dead" suggestion (and its larger relative "all track is dead"), I don't know. I can't argue with the good old days perspective, but this indoor season has seemed to me to be more lively than a few recent years. Maybe not lots of post-collegiate meets, but some well-organized & presented, reasonably well-attended meets, with a lot of outstanding performances. A couple of meets at the Armory, in Boston, in Europe (for real elites), others such as Husky Classic, Tyson Invite, etc. I do think that any athlete with an actual interest in USATF indoors would in fact have had enough meets to prepare (e.g., this is Cain's 5th meet -- how many would an athlete need in January & February?)
I do think ABQ is a problem site, and not just for its altitude. Please don't anyone feel like you have to bother to take the energy to explain why sites are chosen, and the problems, etc. I have read all those threads over the years, and I get it. But I note this anyway -- maybe this should be a minor T&F fantasy contribution: Most of the best post-collegiate indoor meets in the USA are on the east coast (and many of the big collegiate meets -- but I know, not all). So, in the same way that I have to accept that outdoor track is significantly a west coast phenomenon, and thus the USATF meet is likely going to be out there most of the time, and should be out there as a matter of practical reality, indoor track however small its presence is more an east coast phenomenon. Thus, I wish that USATF indoors could be in Boston or at the Armory. I think it would be a better, higher profile meet, even if only marginally so. I think it would have more fans, and perhaps a few more athletes.
Conor Dary wrote:Why run a distance race at altitude, when little, including money, is on the line?
The 800 (Ajee) is not substantially affected by the (relatively modest) altitude of ABQ; the mile more so, but even there it is not a huge deal (not anywhere close to Mexico City, which had a pretty fast 1500; I know the arguments there). I think that, even with the times she has been running, that racing has played a major role in Cain's races. They were designed to be record-fast just to be in the race, but I think a lot of attention was paid to the racing. Cheserek, as good as his race was, was not really racing but running for time.
as in New Mexico? as in Albuquerque? as in OVER a mile high?
as in 'no records that night'!
Perhaps some need a refresher in Math class? (or at least altitudeology!! Sorry to disappoint but the Albuquerque Convention Center where the track is set up is not OVER one mile high. Last I checked one mile is 5280 feet and we miss by about 300 of those. Trying to lower the building some so were are not as high:)
Cain, who will conclude her indoor season at the USA Indoor Championships in Albuquerque this coming weekend, got another boost in confidence after her Two Miles race at the Boston Indoor Games, when she and her Oregon Project teammates were put through a post-meet workout by Salazar.
“People were all watching us like, ‘What the heck are they doing?’” Cain said. “Tara (Erdmann) and Treniere (Moser) and I did it together. Afterward, being able to turn in a really good workout and a solid effort, I closed my last 200 of the workout really fast, I was like, ‘Wow! I still have this left.’ That really builds confidence.”
this might explain why she isdoing a potential 800 after the mile
sounds like angelo taylor 400h and 400 m at trials 2008
i think ajee wins 800
and cain wins mile
If your prediction comes true......and I think it IS possible!!.....would that be the first time TWO teenagers won national titles in one meet??
Closest I can think of would be the 1965 AAU....when Ryun beat Snell in the 1 mile, and Lindgren came THIS close to beating OG Champ Mills in the 6 mile, both timed in a WR 27:11.6. Ryun was 18 and Lindgren was 19.