Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain


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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:07 pm

JumboElliott wrote:Do we have a 1500 split for Reid?


Can't find anything other than for Cain and that was from the Millrose tweet. What's maddening is that the men's 1500m splits are listed in the results.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:08 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up?? :?


The 4:26.15 came from az2004 which is why I asked the question in the first place. So, no, you haven't cleared anything up.


I'm too dizzy


I'll sum it up. You were wrong in what you thought you read and from whom. Multiple times.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:21 pm

Here we go:

Event 403 Women 1500 Meter Run enroute
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Name Year Team Finals
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Finals
1 Sheila Reid Nike 4:10.80
2 Mary Cain Bronxville, NY 4:11.72
3 Hilary Stellingwerff New Balance 4:11.95
4 Kate Grace Oiselle 4:12.29
5 Emma Coburn Colorado 4:12.31
6 Abbey D'Agostino Dartmouth College 4:12.73
7 Emily Infeld Nike Oregon TC 4:12.79
8 Sarah Brown New Balance 4:13.30
9 Jordan Hasay Oregon 4:15.62
10 Ashley Higginson Saucony 4:16.39
11 Renee Tomlin Nike 4:16.58
-- Sara Vaughn Bowerman AC DNF
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:27 pm

Wow, Sheila really had the hammer down on that last lap.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:56 pm

aaronk wrote:Cain's time, as an 11th grader in High School, would rank THIRD All Time on the Collegiate list!!
Cain's 1500 time of 4:09.50 is NUMBER ONE on the All Time Collegiate list indoors......IF she'd been a collegian!!


The collegians primarily run the mile indoors, not the 1500, although the run the 1500 outdoors and run the mile outdoors less than the men. Thus, the indoor collegiate 1500 is likely not as good as the mile.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:00 pm

26mi235 wrote:
aaronk wrote:Cain's time, as an 11th grader in High School, would rank THIRD All Time on the Collegiate list!!
Cain's 1500 time of 4:09.50 is NUMBER ONE on the All Time Collegiate list indoors......IF she'd been a collegian!!


The difference there, in addition to her going hard to 1500 and being a little tired at the end, is the fact that the collegians primarily run the mile indoors, not the 1500, although the run the 1500 outdoors and run the mile outdoors less than the men.


The time as quoted is wrong anway as the 4:09 seems to have been pulled out of thin air. The correct time of 4:11.72 would be the second fastest collegian however.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby 26mi235 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:03 pm

Master Po wrote:I realize there are many other things to talk about from Millrose, but could someone tell me who is Erik Sowinski. Can't keep up with everyone, and this is a name I've never heard. Thanks in advance. :)

Also, thanks to kuha for the "glass 99.99995% full" statement-- well stated! :D


Very good 800 guy from Iowa; he took down a pretty good 800 field at the Big Ten meet last spring. I am not sure if he lead all the way, but he took the race strategy of several very good finishers while also beating guys like Casmir Loxsom (Penn St) and Harun (MN) and Mudd (Wis).
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:27 pm

Jeez Louise!!
I was just over at Let'sRun searching for any videos from Cain's race tonight.
Boy, are their Message Board people a bunch of hard ass you-know-whats!!
They have a thread there saying Cain elbowed Reid and tripped Hasay during the race.
But that's not the worst of it.
Not by a mile!! (sic!)

They said some VERY hateful and harsh things about not only Cain, but also about Hasay!!
Personal things!
I won't repeat them!!
They're too ugly!!

The kid is just 16 years old!!
Is that the way these creeps treat 16 year old girls??

Come on, Let'sRun, either clean up your Message Board.....or make those creeps apologize to Mary and Jordan!!

I ain't going back there....ever!!

(Our MB commenters are Mother Teresa's compared to them!!)
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby doug5321 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:01 pm

26mi235 wrote:
aaronk wrote:Cain's time, as an 11th grader in High School, would rank THIRD All Time on the Collegiate list!!
Cain's 1500 time of 4:09.50 is NUMBER ONE on the All Time Collegiate list indoors......IF she'd been a collegian!!


The collegians primarily run the mile indoors, not the 1500, although the run the 1500 outdoors and run the mile outdoors less than the men. Thus, the indoor collegiate 1500 is likely not as good as the mile.


cains 1500 time would be #2 on the ALL TIME collegiate 1500 list behind only tina krebs, cains mile time would put her at #3 on the ALL TIME collegiate mile list behind only jenny barringer-simpson and sally kipyego.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:48 am

my problem was directly after the race, i continued to listen to the espn3.com audio of the reid and cain interview

saw the posting of the reid cain hasay sub 4:30 and mistook them for the actual times

and in all the hubub, of the continuing action on the track never realize my error till dutra 5 corrected me

i apologize for any confusion i may have caused

woke up early, and felt the need to apologize about this

did anyone see salazar at milrrose or was he with rupp, wherever they are
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:59 am

http://ny.milesplit.com/meets/126486/videos?id=33540

interview by cain after 4:28

talks about oregon project team doing workout after boston 2 mile

8s,6s,4s,2s

will do nationals

doesnt know what event

talks about tactics of the millrose race itself

mentions being 4th in hs girsl 2012 race

New Balance High School Girls' Mile
Finals
1 Nadel, Samantha North Shore 4:46.19M
2 Moye, Megan Cosby 4:49.95
3 Nerud, Brianna North Shore 4:50.12
4 Cain, Mary Bronxville 4:52.19
5 Chase, Sophie Lake Braddock 4:54.14
6 Paul, Rachel Sachem East 4:54.64
7 Panisse, Alexis Cardozo 4:57.39
8 Batzel, Audrey Ocean Lakes 4:57.56
9 Seykora, Maria Notre Dame 4:58.00
10 Gerlach, Tori Pennridge 5:03.70
11 Margey, Kelsey Friends Academy 5:06.57
12 Sargent, Sara Pennsbury 5:14.87

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mil ... FORM=VIRE1
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:42 am

2011 millrose girls mile

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mil ... FORM=VIRE3

ajee wilson 3rd overall
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:43 am

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250015 ... rose-Games

chris o'hare 3:52 video of interview after race
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:55 am

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250015 ... rose-Games

Ciaran O'Lionaird back with Big 3:52 mile PR 2013 Millrose Games
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:11 am

edward cheserek interview after 8:39 2 mile breaking gerry lindgren 2 mile record

http://ny.milesplit.com/meets/126486/videos/?id=33547
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby unclezadok » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:48 am

What American high school age girls did yesterday:

Mary Cain 4:28
Mikaela Shiffrin (17) won the slalom at the World Alpine Skiing Championhips
Melissa Franklin (17) won two races at the Orlando Grand Prix for a total of four wins for the meet.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:49 am

lagat after new 2 mile record

http://ny.milesplit.com/meets/126486/videos?id=33551

talks a lot about the type of training he has done, as he ages
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:00 am

inika mcpherson interview after winning hj

http://ny.milesplit.com/meets/126486/videos/?id=33563
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:08 am

aaronk wrote:Jeez Louise!!
I was just over at Let'sRun searching for any videos from Cain's race tonight.
Boy, are their Message Board people a bunch of hard ass you-know-whats!!
They have a thread there saying Cain elbowed Reid and tripped Hasay during the race.
But that's not the worst of it.
Not by a mile!! (sic!)

They said some VERY hateful and harsh things about not only Cain, but also about Hasay!!
Personal things!
I won't repeat them!!
They're too ugly!!

The kid is just 16 years old!!
Is that the way these creeps treat 16 year old girls??

Come on, Let'sRun, either clean up your Message Board.....or make those creeps apologize to Mary and Jordan!!

I ain't going back there....ever!!

(Our MB commenters are Mother Teresa's compared to them!!)



:lol: :lol: :lol:
Just a bit emotionally invested in this aren't we?
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:11 am

az2004 wrote:
i apologize for any confusion i may have caused

woke up early, and felt the need to apologize about this

did anyone see salazar at milrrose or was he with rupp, wherever they are


No need to apologize. It helped contribute to further "entertaining" posts. :D

I think Al leaves Cain under the watchful eye of Henworth so Al was not seen.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:23 am

video of the meet

http://www.lohud.com/article/20130216/S ... rose-Games

intro for cain, she's a rock star

tail of video, reid is having as much fun as cain

and cain snippet, said in nationals, she would really gun for it

does that mean time, or win
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:59 am

Millrose on ESPN this evening from 8-10pm EST.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby ExRun » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:16 am

The Women's mile went pretty much as I expected with Sheila Reid winning.

-Sheila Reid I think is now the 4th best womens miler in North America after Rowbury, Simpson and Uceny. I noticed in the last two races she ran with Mary Cain she got Mary to take a Victory lap with her. I wonder how she will feel in the next year or two if Mary C. starts blowing by her on the last lap.

-Mary Cain...what can you say...awesome. But based on her previous times, the 4:28 was about what I thought she would run...so it wasn't unexpected.

-Emma Coburn was the big surprise for me. But thinking about it...it shouldn't have been. She was the only Olympic Finalist in the race, she trains at high altitude and she is built like an Amazon.

-The other runner I was watching was Abbey D. She was the second youngest runner in the race. Her 4:30 is a PR and a great time for a 5K runner. If she could run them all...she has the potential to finish first or second place in the 1,500, 3K and 5K at the NCAA Indoor championships
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:43 am

i can see sheila reid becoming a 5k runner sooner than later

in the start of the race reid applauded when cain was announced

also the victory lap stuuff was class..

on the eson3 interview the part about reid being able to tell her kids, she could tell than she was in the races, when cain set the records

that was class too
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:04 am

I've watched a LOT of Sheila Reid's races, and I hope she sticks to the 1500, only because the 3000 doesn't exist anymore. It's crazy that she had to petition her way into the Olympics last year when she's clearly been the best Canadian woman middle distance runner since the fall of 2010.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Samurai_Runner » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:27 am

az2004 wrote:http://ny.milesplit.com/meets/126486/videos?id=33540

interview by cain after 4:28


I am just as impressed by her well-spoken, refreshing, and genuine interviews. She shows no nervousness and exudes her happiness just for running a PR and enjoying the moment. She seems to be well-grounded and not overwhelmed or full of herself at her accomplishments of the past few weeks.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:39 am

i'd like to see any video interview after the race last night

sheila reid did have the 2011 ncaa 1500 and 5k double

she is a decent kicker off a tactical race..

but if g dibaba goes 4 flat in 1500 that's a tough race for reid to handle

cain is from bronxville, which is a affuent suburb of nyc

her dad is a doctor,
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:59 am

az2004 wrote:i'd like to see any video interview after the race last night

sheila reid did have the 2011 ncaa 1500 and 5k double

she is a decent kicker off a tactical race..

but if g dibaba goes 4 flat in 1500 that's a tough race for reid to handle

cain is from bronxville, which is a affuent suburb of nyc

her dad is a doctor,


re ^ that's a tough race for almost anyone to handle. :)
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:52 am

in 2012 g dibaba had the 4th best 1500, so i suspect this year at age 22 is close to her prime

reid is a year older
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby KevinM » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:02 am

az2004 wrote:i

cain is from bronxville, which is a affuent suburb of nyc

her dad is a doctor,


Don't leave us hanging - Finish the verse, man!
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:33 am

WHEN they showed her parents lst night, the said he was garbled a bit, but thought they said
Anesthesiologist, i have the replay on now so hopefully i can catch exactly what was said

an anes should be able to easily afford whatever the fee is salazar charges..

i have a friend who lives in bronxville, went to swarthmore post grad at wharton
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Fielding Melish » Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:54 am

Was there a 3000m split taken on Cheserek's 2-mile?

When Lindgren ran old HSR of 8:40.0 he had a HSR of 8:06.3 en route.

Cheserek posted 3018m split in 8:08.40. At even pace that is 8:05.49 at 3000, better than Lindgren.

There was enough foresight to time Cain at 1500m in mile; was same done for 3000m in 2 miles??
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:18 pm

heres the 3k split

Finals
1 Bernard Lagat Nike 7:37.84
2 Evan Jager Nike 7:39.98
3 Andrew Bumbalough Nike 7:40.41
4 Cam Levins Nike 7:41.74
5 Leonard Korir Nike 7:49.98
6 Will Leer Nike 7:50.23
7 Riley Masters Unattached 8:00.09
8 Edward Cheserek Newark, NJ 8:05.46
9 Craig Forys NYAC 8:13.38
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:26 pm

Finals
1 Sheila Reid Nike 4:10.80
2 Mary Cain Bronxville, NY 4:11.72
3 Hilary Stellingwerff New Balance 4:11.95
4 Kate Grace Oiselle 4:12.29
5 Emma Coburn Colorado 4:12.31
6 Abbey D'Agostino Dartmouth College 4:12.73
7 Emily Infeld Nike Oregon TC 4:12.79
8 Sarah Brown New Balance 4:13.30
9 Jordan Hasay Oregon 4:15.62
10 Ashley Higginson Saucony 4:16.39
11 Renee Tomlin Nike 4:16.58
-- Sara Vaughn Bowerman AC DNF

here's the 1500 split in the womens mile
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:58 pm

photo album for WOMENS MILE RACE

http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4577717

hit NEXt photo TO GET THE RACE
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:18 pm

REID is dead last first 400, moves thru tha pack next 400, asserts herself third 400, gets 10 meters on cain, and cain cuts it to 5

watching race, never knew reid was dead last first 400


http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4576240

mens mile with centro and lomong, to catch race in a similar way

hit next to get the story as the race progesses
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:23 pm

az2004 wrote:Finals
1 Sheila Reid Nike 4:10.80
2 Mary Cain Bronxville, NY 4:11.72
3 Hilary Stellingwerff New Balance 4:11.95
4 Kate Grace Oiselle 4:12.29
5 Emma Coburn Colorado 4:12.31
6 Abbey D'Agostino Dartmouth College 4:12.73
7 Emily Infeld Nike Oregon TC 4:12.79
8 Sarah Brown New Balance 4:13.30
9 Jordan Hasay Oregon 4:15.62
10 Ashley Higginson Saucony 4:16.39
11 Renee Tomlin Nike 4:16.58
-- Sara Vaughn Bowerman AC DNF

here's the 1500 split in the womens mile


Remarkably similar to the splits I posted last night. :lol:
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:29 pm

another photo album

womens 600 meter

http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4577689

do next photo to get a glimpse of race although montano runs away with it

ajee wilson 2nd world junior record in as many months
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:43 pm

I feel bad for Sheila. She runs the fastest indoor mile in the world since 2010 and she's overshadowed by a 16 year old.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:08 pm

actually i think sheila is getting a lot of credit

her comments after the race are getting a lot of praise

and watching the photo album her tactical acumen was veru good

sat dead last for the first 400

moved thru the pack the 2nd 400

asserted control of the race the 3rd 400

made a big break the last 400

they were winning tactics

watchin the race was hard to see what she did, but the photo album slide by slode shows her brilliance

here they are again

http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4577717

just do next and it's easy to see
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