Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

[odelltrclan]

ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd

was that a record too??

The announcers said world junior record, but I don't know if they are correct or not.

[18.99s]

4.09 .50

Source?

[Marlow]

ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd
was that a record too??

Almost a second faster than her own WJR.

[Master Po]

thanks odelltrclan -- went back to those results. Ran for Iowa, 2nd at NCAA (3rd at NCAA indoor). I guess I wasn't paying much attention -- should have known who he is.

Just looked at Cain's splits:
34.12 (209m)
34.20
34.47
34.01
34.21
34.42
32.40
30.45

Very disciplined race. Considering the setting, the attention, the fact that it's pretty much home turf for her, it's easy to imagine a young & relatively inexperienced athlete getting caught up in that and either running too fast too early, and/or getting overwhelmed when the pack moves past her in the 3rd quarter of the race. Very steady & controlled effort, setting up an excellent last 400 (and excellent result). In addition to being very talented physically, she seems to have very good racing sense.

[olorin]

and 1:23.59 for montano

what a night breaaks record of 1:26

According to Peter Larson site this is the second best ever (!) behind Olga Kotlyarova 1:23.44

Probably the performance of the meet

[Master Po]

ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd

was that a record too??

The announcers said world junior record, but I don't know if they are correct or not.

all-athletics.com's stats support our announcers, with this listed as WJR for indoor 600:
Linsey McDonald GBR 1:27.4 (12 December 1981)

[aaronk]

and 1:23.59 for montano

what a night breaaks record of 1:26

According to Peter Larson site this is the second best ever (!) behind Olga Kotlyarova 1:23.44

Probably the performance of the meet

Right.
At least according to the 2011 TAFWA All Time World Indoor List!!
She ran that time on February 1, 2004 in Moscow.
Montano's time is #2.

[odelltrclan]

ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd

was that a record too??

The announcers said world junior record, but I don't know if they are correct or not.

all-athletics.com's stats support our announcers, with this listed as WJR for indoor 600:
Linsey McDonald GBR 1:27.4 (12 December 1981)

I think she had already run faster than that mark this year. Wasn't sure if she had beaten her earlier run this year but apparently she did. I see now it was 1:27.30.

[aaronk]

And Chris O'Hare finishes off maybe the best indoor meet ever (except for championship meets??) with a new Collegiate Indoor Record!!

WOW!!

[odelltrclan]

Indoor collegiate record in mile as well. All in all a fantastic meet to watch!

[az2004]

annoucer said men mile was a collegiate record in 4th guy from tulsaa//

[Master Po]

and 1:23.59 for montano

what a night breaaks record of 1:26

According to Peter Larson site this is the second best ever (!) behind Olga Kotlyarova 1:23.44

Probably the performance of the meet

I'm inclined to agree -- in fact, looking at the all-time 600m lists -- combining indoor and outdoor -- Montano's time makes her #6 performer. I realize 600m isn't raced that much, but the four ahead of her (and Kotlyarova) are significant names in women's middle distance running: Quirot, Mutola, Jelimo, Melinte. Great performance for Montano.

[Dutra5]

annoucer said men mile was a collegiate record in 4th guy from tulsaa//

Correct. Chris O'Hare from Great Britain.

Anyone have a confirm on Cain's 1500m? I haven't seen anything other than what was mentioned here.

[Master Po]

I know it isn't a record, but given the history of great indoor performances by Ireland's milers, it seems worth noting that Ciaran O'Lionaird's 3:52.10 makes him #4 on their all-time indoor list, behind some great names: Coghlan, O'Sullivan, Flynn. It's been 30 years since a miler from Ireland has run this fast indoors.

Also, Lomong & Centrowitz now #3 & #4 on USA all-time indoor mile list (behind Lagat & Rupp, moving ahead of Scott & Maree).

And, O'Hare (in addition to the collegiate record) is #2 on GBR all-time indoor mile list (behind Peter Elliott 3:52.02).

By the way, how many record performances this evening? I haven't tallied them yet.

[az2004]

they had a timer at 1500 mark

salazar made sure it was there

2. Cain.........4:26.15 (4:09.50 at 1500)

[Dutra5]

they had a timer at 1500 mark

salazar made sure it was there

2. Cain.........4:26.15 (4:09.50 at 1500)

Where is this from? First of all...what is the 4:26.15?

I don't doubt it was timed....I'm just looking for an official time.

[az2004]

by tomorrow morning the specifics and times should be available

great meet overall

even hasay broke 4:30, good run for her

[Dutra5]

This makes more sense:

Millrose Games‏@MillroseGames

Mary Cain ran her 1500m in 4:11.72 en route to her fantastic 4:28.25. Both are national indoor HS records. #millrose

[Dutra5]

by tomorrow morning the specifics and times should be available

great meet overall

even hasay broke 4:30, good run for her

Jordan Hasay ran 4:36

[az2004]

thanks for update on the 1500

ajee had run 1:27.30.600 before

olde usa record was 1:26.56 at Millrose.

both got it montano in a big way

ajee is 18??

[Dutra5]

4:09.50?
That makes her final 109.1 meters only 18.75!
She finished in 16.67 in her 4:32.78!
More than 2 seconds slower?
Was she dying at the end?
Did she jog across the line?

Whatever the case, she now has broken SIX HSR's indoors!!!
Unprecedented!!

she finished in 16.53.

[az2004]

http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/ ... ts36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem

it was coburn under 4:30 not hasay

coburn first race since london, that's a good sign

[Dutra5]

http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem

What 4:26?

[aaronk]

http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem

What 4:26?

If you look back at all the posts, right before the mile started, I posted my predictions for the race, listing what I thought the first 6 placers would be, and their times.

I picked Reid to win in 4:25.78, with Cain second in 4:26.15!!

[az2004]

4:26 is assuming 4:09 my bad error here

too excited and messed up big time

abby, doaugostino almost broke 4:30

ok before ukraine where will cain run??

take a break, do some speedwork?? some 800's to sharpen a bit??

get under 60 for the kick to deal with the africans??

alberto, inquiring minds want to know

[Dutra5]

http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem

What 4:26?

If you look back at all the posts, right before the mile started, I posted my predictions for the race, listing what I thought the first 6 placers would be, and their times.

I picked Reid to win in 4:25.78, with Cain second in 4:26.15!!

Awesome. What does that have to do with either what really did happen or what az posted?

[JumboElliott]

Do we have a 1500 split for Reid?

[aaronk]

http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem

What 4:26?

If you look back at all the posts, right before the mile started, I posted my predictions for the race, listing what I thought the first 6 placers would be, and their times.

I picked Reid to win in 4:25.78, with Cain second in 4:26.15!!

Awesome. What does that have to do with either what really did happen or what az posted?

they had a timer at 1500 mark

salazar made sure it was there

2. Cain.........4:26.15 (4:09.50 at 1500)

Where is this from? First of all...what is the 4:26.15?

I don't doubt it was timed....I'm just looking for an official time.

That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up??

[Dutra5]

That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up??

The 4:26.15 came from az2004 which is why I asked the question in the first place. So, no, you haven't cleared anything up.

[aaronk]

That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up??

The 4:26.15 came from az2004 which is why I asked the question in the first place. So, no, you haven't cleared anything up.

I'm too dizzy to even THINK about this!!!!

[Dutra5]

Do we have a 1500 split for Reid?

Can't find anything other than for Cain and that was from the Millrose tweet. What's maddening is that the men's 1500m splits are listed in the results.

[Dutra5]

That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up??

The 4:26.15 came from az2004 which is why I asked the question in the first place. So, no, you haven't cleared anything up.

I'm too dizzy

I'll sum it up. You were wrong in what you thought you read and from whom. Multiple times.

[Dutra5]

Here we go:

Event 403 Women 1500 Meter Run enroute
================================================================
Name Year Team Finals
================================================================
Finals
1 Sheila Reid Nike 4:10.80
2 Mary Cain Bronxville, NY 4:11.72
3 Hilary Stellingwerff New Balance 4:11.95
4 Kate Grace Oiselle 4:12.29
5 Emma Coburn Colorado 4:12.31
6 Abbey D'Agostino Dartmouth College 4:12.73
7 Emily Infeld Nike Oregon TC 4:12.79
8 Sarah Brown New Balance 4:13.30
9 Jordan Hasay Oregon 4:15.62
10 Ashley Higginson Saucony 4:16.39
11 Renee Tomlin Nike 4:16.58
-- Sara Vaughn Bowerman AC DNF

[JumboElliott]

Wow, Sheila really had the hammer down on that last lap.

[26mi235]

Cain's time, as an 11th grader in High School, would rank THIRD All Time on the Collegiate list!!
Cain's 1500 time of 4:09.50 is NUMBER ONE on the All Time Collegiate list indoors......IF she'd been a collegian!!

The collegians primarily run the mile indoors, not the 1500, although the run the 1500 outdoors and run the mile outdoors less than the men. Thus, the indoor collegiate 1500 is likely not as good as the mile.