Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain


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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:21 pm

aaronk wrote:4:09.50?
That makes her final 109.1 meters only 18.75!
She finished in 16.67 in her 4:32.78!
More than 2 seconds slower?
Was she dying at the end?
Did she jog across the line?



She jogged the entire way.

Dude.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:22 pm

and 1:23.59 for montano

what a night breaaks record of 1:26
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby doug5321 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:26 pm

only suzy favor-hamilton at 4:09.10 is a faster american junior time than cain.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby kuha » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:30 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:4:09.50?
That makes her final 109.1 meters only 18.75!
She finished in 16.67 in her 4:32.78!
More than 2 seconds slower?
Was she dying at the end?
Did she jog across the line?



She jogged the entire way.

Dude.


:lol:

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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:33 pm

I realize there are many other things to talk about from Millrose, but could someone tell me who is Erik Sowinski. Can't keep up with everyone, and this is a name I've never heard. Thanks in advance. :)

Also, thanks to kuha for the "glass 99.99995% full" statement-- well stated! :D
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:38 pm

Even before the men's mile, Millrose stands out as the BEST indoor meet this year!!
The move to the Armory was a VERY good idea!!

How many records were broken tonight??
"Let me count the.....!"
Okay, can the Shakespeare crap, Dude!

But there were MANY!!!
Whatta night!!
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby olorin » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:39 pm

Yvette Lewis - 7.84 second in the world behind Rollins and a PB (previous PB 7.90)
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby odelltrclan » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:40 pm

Master Po wrote:I realize there are many other things to talk about from Millrose, but could someone tell me who is Erik Sowinski. Can't keep up with everyone, and this is a name I've never heard. Thanks in advance. :)

Also, thanks to kuha for the "glass 99.99995% full" statement-- well stated! :D


Don't know much about him but he is listed last year as having run 1:45.90 (2nd at NCAA meet for Iowa as a senior). 11th fastest American runner in 800 last year.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:46 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
Master Po wrote:I realize there are many other things to talk about from Millrose, but could someone tell me who is Erik Sowinski. Can't keep up with everyone, and this is a name I've never heard. Thanks in advance. :)
Also, thanks to kuha for the "glass 99.99995% full" statement-- well stated! :D


Don't know much about him but he is listed last year as having run 1:45.90 (2nd at NCAA meet for Iowa as a senior). 11th fastest American runner in 800 last year.

From the Iowa site

http://www.hawkeyesports.com/sports/c-t ... rik00.html

Kinda surprising that he's 'only' a 46.8 guy. Must not run it much. I bet he has a low 45r somewhere.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:48 pm

ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd

was that a record too??
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby odelltrclan » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:49 pm

az2004 wrote:ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd

was that a record too??


The announcers said world junior record, but I don't know if they are correct or not.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby 18.99s » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:49 pm

az2004 wrote:4.09 .50


Source?
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Marlow » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:49 pm

az2004 wrote:ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd
was that a record too??

Almost a second faster than her own WJR.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:52 pm

thanks odelltrclan -- went back to those results. Ran for Iowa, 2nd at NCAA (3rd at NCAA indoor). I guess I wasn't paying much attention -- should have known who he is.

Just looked at Cain's splits:
34.12 (209m)
34.20
34.47
34.01
34.21
34.42
32.40
30.45

Very disciplined race. Considering the setting, the attention, the fact that it's pretty much home turf for her, it's easy to imagine a young & relatively inexperienced athlete getting caught up in that and either running too fast too early, and/or getting overwhelmed when the pack moves past her in the 3rd quarter of the race. Very steady & controlled effort, setting up an excellent last 400 (and excellent result). In addition to being very talented physically, she seems to have very good racing sense.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby olorin » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:53 pm

az2004 wrote:and 1:23.59 for montano

what a night breaaks record of 1:26


According to Peter Larson site this is the second best ever (!) behind Olga Kotlyarova 1:23.44

Probably the performance of the meet
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:57 pm

odelltrclan wrote:
az2004 wrote:ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd

was that a record too??


The announcers said world junior record, but I don't know if they are correct or not.


all-athletics.com's stats support our announcers, with this listed as WJR for indoor 600:
Linsey McDonald GBR 1:27.4 (12 December 1981)
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:58 pm

olorin wrote:
az2004 wrote:and 1:23.59 for montano

what a night breaaks record of 1:26


According to Peter Larson site this is the second best ever (!) behind Olga Kotlyarova 1:23.44

Probably the performance of the meet


Right.
At least according to the 2011 TAFWA All Time World Indoor List!!
She ran that time on February 1, 2004 in Moscow.
Montano's time is #2.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby odelltrclan » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:08 pm

Master Po wrote:
odelltrclan wrote:
az2004 wrote:ajee wilson 1:26.45 was 2nd

was that a record too??


The announcers said world junior record, but I don't know if they are correct or not.


all-athletics.com's stats support our announcers, with this listed as WJR for indoor 600:
Linsey McDonald GBR 1:27.4 (12 December 1981)


I think she had already run faster than that mark this year. Wasn't sure if she had beaten her earlier run this year but apparently she did. I see now it was 1:27.30.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:09 pm

And Chris O'Hare finishes off maybe the best indoor meet ever (except for championship meets??) with a new Collegiate Indoor Record!!

WOW!! :shock: :D
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby odelltrclan » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:09 pm

Indoor collegiate record in mile as well. All in all a fantastic meet to watch!
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:10 pm

annoucer said men mile was a collegiate record in 4th guy from tulsaa//
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:11 pm

olorin wrote:
az2004 wrote:and 1:23.59 for montano

what a night breaaks record of 1:26


According to Peter Larson site this is the second best ever (!) behind Olga Kotlyarova 1:23.44

Probably the performance of the meet


I'm inclined to agree -- in fact, looking at the all-time 600m lists -- combining indoor and outdoor -- Montano's time makes her #6 performer. I realize 600m isn't raced that much, but the four ahead of her (and Kotlyarova) are significant names in women's middle distance running: Quirot, Mutola, Jelimo, Melinte. Great performance for Montano.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:18 pm

az2004 wrote:annoucer said men mile was a collegiate record in 4th guy from tulsaa//


Correct. Chris O'Hare from Great Britain.

Anyone have a confirm on Cain's 1500m? I haven't seen anything other than what was mentioned here.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:19 pm

I know it isn't a record, but given the history of great indoor performances by Ireland's milers, it seems worth noting that Ciaran O'Lionaird's 3:52.10 makes him #4 on their all-time indoor list, behind some great names: Coghlan, O'Sullivan, Flynn. It's been 30 years since a miler from Ireland has run this fast indoors.

Also, Lomong & Centrowitz now #3 & #4 on USA all-time indoor mile list (behind Lagat & Rupp, moving ahead of Scott & Maree).

And, O'Hare (in addition to the collegiate record) is #2 on GBR all-time indoor mile list (behind Peter Elliott 3:52.02).

By the way, how many record performances this evening? I haven't tallied them yet.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:22 pm

they had a timer at 1500 mark

salazar made sure it was there

2. Cain.........4:26.15 (4:09.50 at 1500)
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:24 pm

az2004 wrote:they had a timer at 1500 mark

salazar made sure it was there

2. Cain.........4:26.15 (4:09.50 at 1500)


Where is this from? First of all...what is the 4:26.15?

I don't doubt it was timed....I'm just looking for an official time.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:27 pm

by tomorrow morning the specifics and times should be available

great meet overall

even hasay broke 4:30, good run for her
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:29 pm

This makes more sense:

Millrose Games‏@MillroseGames

Mary Cain ran her 1500m in 4:11.72 en route to her fantastic 4:28.25. Both are national indoor HS records. #millrose
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:30 pm

az2004 wrote:by tomorrow morning the specifics and times should be available

great meet overall

even hasay broke 4:30, good run for her


Jordan Hasay ran 4:36
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:32 pm

thanks for update on the 1500

ajee had run 1:27.30.600 before

olde usa record was 1:26.56 at Millrose.

both got it montano in a big way

ajee is 18??
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:36 pm

aaronk wrote:4:09.50?
That makes her final 109.1 meters only 18.75!
She finished in 16.67 in her 4:32.78!
More than 2 seconds slower?
Was she dying at the end?
Did she jog across the line?

Whatever the case, she now has broken SIX HSR's indoors!!!
Unprecedented!!


she finished in 16.53.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:39 pm

http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/ ... ts36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem

it was coburn under 4:30 not hasay

coburn first race since london, that's a good sign
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:41 pm

az2004 wrote:http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem



What 4:26?
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:49 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
az2004 wrote:http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem



What 4:26?


If you look back at all the posts, right before the mile started, I posted my predictions for the race, listing what I thought the first 6 placers would be, and their times.

I picked Reid to win in 4:25.78, with Cain second in 4:26.15!!
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:50 pm

4:26 is assuming 4:09 my bad error here

too excited and messed up big time

abby, doaugostino almost broke 4:30

ok before ukraine where will cain run??

take a break, do some speedwork?? some 800's to sharpen a bit??

get under 60 for the kick to deal with the africans??

alberto, inquiring minds want to know
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:59 pm

aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
az2004 wrote:http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem



What 4:26?


If you look back at all the posts, right before the mile started, I posted my predictions for the race, listing what I thought the first 6 placers would be, and their times.

I picked Reid to win in 4:25.78, with Cain second in 4:26.15!!


Awesome. What does that have to do with either what really did happen or what az posted?
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:38 pm

Do we have a 1500 split for Reid?
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:50 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:
az2004 wrote:http://branchsportstech.com/2013_Meets/indoor/02-16-millrose/Results36-1.htm

the 4:09 and 4:11 matching up with the 4:26 and 4:28

seem to be the problem



What 4:26?


If you look back at all the posts, right before the mile started, I posted my predictions for the race, listing what I thought the first 6 placers would be, and their times.

I picked Reid to win in 4:25.78, with Cain second in 4:26.15!!


Awesome. What does that have to do with either what really did happen or what az posted?
Dutra5 wrote:
az2004 wrote:they had a timer at 1500 mark

salazar made sure it was there

2. Cain.........4:26.15 (4:09.50 at 1500)


Where is this from? First of all...what is the 4:26.15?

I don't doubt it was timed....I'm just looking for an official time.


That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up?? :?
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:55 pm

aaronk wrote:
That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up?? :?


The 4:26.15 came from az2004 which is why I asked the question in the first place. So, no, you haven't cleared anything up.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:05 pm

Dutra5 wrote:
aaronk wrote:
That "infamous" 4:26.15 was just my prediction for what Cain would run tonight, made just prior to the start!!
As you can see, it was Dutra5 who first included that PREDICTED time...SEEMINGLY as the REAL result!!
It was NOT!!
So FORGET the 4:26.15!!
Cain's 4:28.25 (and 4:11.72 enroute) was awesome enough!!

Does this clear things up?? :?


The 4:26.15 came from az2004 which is why I asked the question in the first place. So, no, you haven't cleared anything up.


I'm too dizzy to even THINK about this!!!! :shock:
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