Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain


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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:18 pm

REID is dead last first 400, moves thru tha pack next 400, asserts herself third 400, gets 10 meters on cain, and cain cuts it to 5

watching race, never knew reid was dead last first 400


http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4576240

mens mile with centro and lomong, to catch race in a similar way

hit next to get the story as the race progesses
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Dutra5 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:23 pm

az2004 wrote:Finals
1 Sheila Reid Nike 4:10.80
2 Mary Cain Bronxville, NY 4:11.72
3 Hilary Stellingwerff New Balance 4:11.95
4 Kate Grace Oiselle 4:12.29
5 Emma Coburn Colorado 4:12.31
6 Abbey D'Agostino Dartmouth College 4:12.73
7 Emily Infeld Nike Oregon TC 4:12.79
8 Sarah Brown New Balance 4:13.30
9 Jordan Hasay Oregon 4:15.62
10 Ashley Higginson Saucony 4:16.39
11 Renee Tomlin Nike 4:16.58
-- Sara Vaughn Bowerman AC DNF

here's the 1500 split in the womens mile


Remarkably similar to the splits I posted last night. :lol:
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:29 pm

another photo album

womens 600 meter

http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4577689

do next photo to get a glimpse of race although montano runs away with it

ajee wilson 2nd world junior record in as many months
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:43 pm

I feel bad for Sheila. She runs the fastest indoor mile in the world since 2010 and she's overshadowed by a 16 year old.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:08 pm

actually i think sheila is getting a lot of credit

her comments after the race are getting a lot of praise

and watching the photo album her tactical acumen was veru good

sat dead last for the first 400

moved thru the pack the 2nd 400

asserted control of the race the 3rd 400

made a big break the last 400

they were winning tactics

watchin the race was hard to see what she did, but the photo album slide by slode shows her brilliance

here they are again

http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4577717

just do next and it's easy to see
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Friar » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:31 pm

Abbey D'Agostino Dartmouth College 4:12.73

Abbey has to be the best "local runner" I never heard of in HS. If she ever made a Globe All-scholastic page appearance (CC-IT-Out), I don't remember it.
Obviously she was under the radar and has been outstanding at Dartmouth.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby JumboElliott » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:02 pm

az2004 wrote:actually i think sheila is getting a lot of credit

her comments after the race are getting a lot of praise

and watching the photo album her tactical acumen was veru good

sat dead last for the first 400

moved thru the pack the 2nd 400

asserted control of the race the 3rd 400

made a big break the last 400

they were winning tactics

watchin the race was hard to see what she did, but the photo album slide by slode shows her brilliance

here they are again

http://ny.milesplit.com/photos/files/4577717

just do next and it's easy to see

Eh, the only time she's won a big race and been the story was the Penn Relays this year. Each of her cross country and outdoor championships they interviewed Hasay after the race as well.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:03 pm

abbey won me over at eugene at the trials last year

her 4:34 in january on a flat track was impressive as was the 4:30 last night

i think she has a bright future
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:07 pm

i think hasay lacks a finish in here races to be a bigtime runner internationally

reid in a tactical race, has a chance with her finish

i watched the race closely tonight

there was contact between cain and hasay, as hasay clipped cain's ankle, then dropped straight back, seemed more incidental than anything



stones did mention it though, but when the pace increases, hasay reacts poorly, olympic trials lst year is an example

i think marcus o'sullivan is doing a great job with reid, he just does not have salazar name value

nice to hear tim hutchings mention sullivan
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby lovetorun » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:28 pm

Dutra5 wrote:Cheserek takes Lindgren's record.


Not to take anything away from Cheserek's excellent run, but, if I am not mistaken, Lindgren's 8:40.0 was run on a much slower,smaller track. Gerry Lindgren was truly an unlikely talent, difficult to explain.

But congradulations to Cheserek for a new record...about 50 years later.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby kuha » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:38 pm

lovetorun wrote:
Dutra5 wrote:Cheserek takes Lindgren's record.


Not to take anything away from Cheserek's excellent run, but, if I am not mistaken, Lindgren's 8:40.0 was run on a much slower,smaller track. Gerry Lindgren was truly an unlikely talent, difficult to explain.

But congradulations to Cheserek for a new record...about 50 years later.


Lindgren ran on an 11 lap wood surface--utterly different from today's great 200m indoor tracks. So, 8:39 is really superb, but it is not intrinsically better than 8:40 flat nearly half a century ago.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:40 pm

Saw some of the ESPN broadcast (which was pretty good). A few comments...

Even knowing the results & how the races played out, still very impressed with Reid's command in the mile. She looked so good in that win!

This thread's title notwithstanding, I did not expect this to be "Cain v Hasay" -- am guessing most others didn't expect this either. Hasay is having a fine indoor season so far, in this year when she has already stated that she's moving up to 10km. She has a 3k PB, and a solid 5k (i.e., not her PB but one of her better times) so far. I did not expect her to run a particularly fast mile at Millrose -- her 4:36 was slower than her best 1500/mile times, but still in the range of her better times. I doubt if she was focusing her training on this race. She has had good success at NCAA indoors doing the 1500/3k double, but I wonder if she will do that this year, or if she will run the 5k. As many have noted through her excellent collegiate career, she probably will flourish more at longer distances.

Was really impressed with Lagat (again). Because he has done it so successfully so many times, I have a tendency to think of him always being a "sit in the pack and kick away" racer (which he often is). But comparing this race with his range of 3k-2 mile-5k races, it was interesting to see him be the leader in the 2nd half, and carry/push the pace on his own. He did something similar in his 7:34 in Karlsruhe earlier this winter -- he didn't lead as early, but he did take over and push the pace in the latter part of that race (i.e., earlier than "kicking at the end").

Also very impressed with Ben Malone in the hs boys mile.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby Master Po » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:47 pm

Fielding Melish wrote:Was there a 3000m split taken on Cheserek's 2-mile?

When Lindgren ran old HSR of 8:40.0 he had a HSR of 8:06.3 en route.

Cheserek posted 3018m split in 8:08.40. At even pace that is 8:05.49 at 3000, better than Lindgren.

There was enough foresight to time Cain at 1500m in mile; was same done for 3000m in 2 miles??


Cheserek's 3k split was 8:05.46.

(And -- all respect to Cheserek for his record performance -- I agree w kuha's comments above, in the description of Lindgren's performance.)
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:11 am

hasay moving up to 5k/10k is good for her lomg term success,

she talked about that before millrose..

http://www.flotrack.org/speaker/581-Jor ... -Mary-Cain

talks about cain

http://www.flotrack.org/speaker/581-Jor ... rose-Games

and on her current training for 5k/10k

reid looked like she had a plan and just executed it, kudos to marcus o'sulluivan getting her back to her2011 form

on ben malone, he's going to villanov a and i think his event will be 800, again marcus o'sullivan has a talent to develop
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:27 am

http://www.runnersworld.com/races/millr ... y-fun-race

sheila reid interview aftef race

Were you worried at all early on? Was dropping to last place in the cards, in the race plan?
Sheila Reid: It was a good field and it went out quick. I’ve got a good feel on that sort of pace. In the back wasn’t slow, it was just not as fast as the front girls. But you should never bank on people coming back to you, so I did have to start cranking it up a notch.


Were the fractions along the way about what you expected?
SR: I think so. I kind of stopped looking after 800. I just wanted to be real comfortable, no quicker than 2:12 through the half. And then, from there on out, I was just trying to feel good, trying to feel out the other girls and how they were feeling.


Did your move to the front come about where you expected?
SR: I wanted to be at the front with 400—not necessarily leading, but near the front and comfortable to the point that I’d be there for the finish. But I felt too good not to go out in front and I was just trying to keep an eye on the Jumbotron to see where the other girls were.



Could you do that? When the crowd started cheering for Mary Cain [who had moved into second and was briefly gaining], were you able to see where she was?
SR: I knew that someone was coming. I suspected it was her because I made no mistake; the crowd was with Mary today, as they should be. She is a phenomenal athlete. And I was in a similar position, leading that chase pack [behind New Balance Indoor Grand Prix winner Tirunesh Dibaba] in Boston in the two-mile, and she was right on my shoulders again there. I’ve got a pretty good feel for her at this point.

I felt comfortable enough that I was kind of pulling up a bit. I had a few more gears, for sure, if I needed them. It’s certainly a bad habit of mine to be looking around, and it drives my coaches nuts. And it’s a bad habit that I should kick.

So it didn’t bother you very much that there was someone else in the race [Mary Cain] who’d being talked about so much in advance.
SR: Oh God, no. Like I said, Mary Cain, her accomplishments thus far are a lot more impressive than mine. It wasn’t really about how much attention I can get before the race. I just want to run well because I enjoy racing.


And you did a victory lap with her. How’d that happen?
SR: I got a victory, and she got probably a relatively bigger victory than I did. If you compare it, I think her mile was a lot more impressive than mine was today. She deserves every bit of the spotlight that she gets. It was fun to be in the race, for sure.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby exdrake » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:56 am

1. Am I correct?--it appears O'Lionaird is NOT with Salazar group any longer but w/ Schumaker group (Oregon Elite, NOT project? I think I'm correct because Centro said recently he trains with Rupp and Ulrey. Didn't he make OLY final under AS?


2. One thing I wonder about re Cain. We all know she declined to move to Portland to train daily (now) under Salazar. And there's indications her family has some means. What I wonder is if she is already doing the altitude tent thing as it is my understanding that is one of the very first mandatories under AS.

I'm a huge beleiver in the benefits of altitude and if she is not getting this benefit already and still running these times ......
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:26 am

Cain is the daughter of Charles F. and Mary E. Cain and has three sisters Áine, Catherine, and Máiréad

and ythey said her dad was an anesthesiologist, when referiing yo him last might

i presume they can affor salazar and jokn henwood


http://www.nzrun.com/article/17738-John ... h-Coaching

heres an interview with henwood
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:24 pm

after the boston meet videos were availqble on TUESDAy


so will millrose be avaibl tomorrow

lots of top races, if anyone finds them, please post asp
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby jamboy » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:43 pm

Mens 60m with Doc Patton winning in 6.50
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxl88l ... SLYL6XoSQ4


His start wasn't the best. However, his pickup was amazing.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby dl » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:37 pm

exdrake wrote:1. Am I correct?--it appears O'Lionaird is NOT with Salazar group any longer but w/ Schumaker group (Oregon Elite, NOT project? I think I'm correct because Centro said recently he trains with Rupp and Ulrey. Didn't he make OLY final under AS?


O'Lionaird trains with the Eugene faction of the Oregon TC under Coach Mark Rowland.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:10 am

hasay video right before millrose mile

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mil ... FORM=VIRE1

O'Lionaird talks aboutmillrosemile after the race

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250015 ... rose-Games
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:55 am

Hey!
We get INSTANT videos about Lolo's virginity, Michelle Jenneke's "shimmy-shake", Pistorius's "accident", SFH's "other career"!!

But we DON'T get a friggin' 5 minute video of the Millrose Elite Women's Mile......THREE DAYS after it happens???

Come on, ESPN/Armory/Millrose people......GIVE IT UP!!!!
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:11 am

the boston meet, the videos came on TUESDAY

today is TUESDAY, so i recsll tuesday afternoon

Correction LLOKED UP POSTING DATE FOR cain 2 mile and rupp race, feb 6

so WEdNESDAY, and they were on flotrack around 11:25
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:24 am

az2004 wrote:hasay video right before millrose mile

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mil ... FORM=VIRE1

O'Lionaird talks aboutmillrosemile after the race

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250015 ... rose-Games


BTW, thanks for that "Hasay" video of the pre-race backstage stuff!
Who was the woman in the blue suit following Jordan around?
Was she from UO or one of the Millrose/Armory officials??

Also, we got to see a little of Cain there too!!
Sprinting down the track, then jogging into place for the intros!
Too bad they clipped the video after D'Agostino's intro!!

Just watched it again.......the woman wore a BLACK suit jacket!!
And so did several other women......so they're probably Armory officials!!
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:45 am

wednesday 10:25 was when 2 mile was put up

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250016 ... y-Cain-938

the rupp race at 11:45

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250016 ... m-Rupp-733
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:00 am

aaronk wrote:
az2004 wrote:hasay video right before millrose mile

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=mil ... FORM=VIRE1

O'Lionaird talks aboutmillrosemile after the race

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250015 ... rose-Games


BTW, thanks for that "Hasay" video of the pre-race backstage stuff!
Who was the woman in the blue suit following Jordan around?
Was she from UO or one of the Millrose/Armory officials??

Also, we got to see a little of Cain there too!!
Sprinting down the track, then jogging into place for the intros!
Too bad they clipped the video after D'Agostino's intro!!

Just watched it again.......the woman wore a BLACK suit jacket!!
And so did several other women......so they're probably Armory officials!!

yees, armorty officials, responsible for getting people from warmup cool down area onto the track

they were with the hs boys 4X2, i can tell from the pemmridge boys who were 3rd in the event

norristown won and ato bolden complemented their form to pro sprinters

if you watched the race sunday night, reid and cain interview, they were heading back to the area, and there was the armory offiical a womwn next to them
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:06 am

more on resier from my canadiann frriend

I think it is Patti Sue Plummer she reminded me of. I had a teammate that made the 1976 Olympic team in high jump and she quit to go to med school, so Canadian track had some bright women.
Zelinka really needs to find a coach. I know she is happy with her time but she could have run much better with a decent start.


Reiser became a Dr. and died in 2008 from a disease where you can't digest food, she was only 52.

She ran 4:09 in the semi, was 7th and DNQ for the final. Had to think she'd be a contender for several Olympics but either injuries or school got her
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby BrettHoover » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:06 pm

AaronK,

What is wrong? The Millrose Games were webcast live on Saturday, including the women's mile. They were aired on Sunday night on national television, including the women's mile. And the women's mile is online on USA Track & Field's account.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:36 pm

the espn platformly on works in the usa

so if you were in canada, you could not have watched on espn3



again espn sunday night except those on the border was problematic

i have a friend in canada who wanted to see sheila rreid race is waiting for the videotape from flotrack

after boston they were put up wednesday

hopefully the same happens tommorrw
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby rsb2 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:58 pm

Although we couldn't get the ESPN3 coverage on Saturday in Canada, ESPN is widely available online, and we had no problem watching the complete Meet on Sunday. The 2-mile is up on youtube now, I suspect the other events are also, or will be soon.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:20 pm

could you give me the link for youtube 2 mile...

my friend, the candian was the guy providing me, the reiser information
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby KevinM » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:24 pm

az2004 wrote:could you give me the link for youtube 2 mile...

my friend, the candian was the guy providing me, the reiser information


Just google the relevant terms - it comes up immediately.
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:32 pm

mens mile video up there, i found that one thanks for yhe help

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you ... FORM=VIRE3
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:41 pm

espn feed of mile race

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you ... FORM=VIRE3

commentary with it not above which was a crowd feed
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:56 pm

kevin m thanks for yor advice

mu buddy in calgary thanks you

here's the mens 2 mile not espn feed though

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you ... FORM=VIRE3
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:16 pm

if anyone finds the espn feeds, please post them, so far we have only the mens mile
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:24 pm

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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby aaronk » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:53 pm

az2004 wrote:womens 1 mile espn feed

http://www.flotrack.org/coverage/250015 ... lrose-2013


WOW!!!!

What a GREAT race!!
At one point (1000-1200 mark??), it looked like Cain was in danger of getting boxed in.
But she then used "European" tactics, and pretty much did what was necessary, seeming to throw another runner a bit off stride......that runner put her arm on Cain's back, seeming to push her a bit......but she got out of it, and from there on, she just chased Reid!!

Wonder what would have happened if Cain had gone with Reid when she took the lead.
Might have taken her, but Reid's in GREAT shape, so maybe not!

Reid is so classy, with her post-race attitude!!
Seems to really LIKE Mary....and vice versa!!

Looks like Cain's last 400 (440?) was in the 64's!!
So her 440's were about 67, 68, 69, and 64??
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:58 pm

i'm looking for the mens 2 mile espn feed, so far i cannot find it

i need to see the race again to see ea tly what happend there


reid kick ncaa 2011 at here best, she's tough, have to doucle check 100-1200

i did see cain ankle ND HASEY ancke collide..

neeed to check the other contact


think it did not affect rACE THOUGH

i had lap 400 in 68 67 69 64



clearly was d'agostino who arm clipped cain and cain ankle then went forward and slight contact with hasay that was at 3:32 mark, stop and start race and you cN SEE IT HAPPEN


no harm no foul

the go thru 1200 in 3:24, get pst ythre turn before 1300 at 3:32, agostino raises arm and thouches cain shoulder, cain is somewhat boxed, i agree by coburn and reid and infeld and hasay, this is where reid gets the gap on cain,

cain follows coburn to get out of box
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Re: Duel at the Armory: Hasay vs Cain

Postby az2004 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:06 pm

[quote="az2004"]i'm looking for the mens 2 mile espn feed, so far i cannot find it

i need to see the race again to see ea tly what happend there


reid kick ncaa 2011 at here best, she's tough, have to doucle check 100-1200

i did see cain ankle ND HASEY ancke collide..

neeed to check the other contact


think it did not affect rACE THOUGH

i had lap 400 in 68 67 69 64



clearly was d'agostino who arm clipped cain and cain ankle then went forward and slight contact with hasay that was at 3:32 mark, stop and start race and you cN SEE IT HAPPEN


no harm no foul

the go thru 1200 in 3:24, get pst ythre turn before 1300 at 3:32, agostino raises arm and thouches cain shoulder, cain is somewhat boxed, i agree by coburn and reid and D'SGostino and hasay, this is where reid gets the gap on cain,

cain follows coburn to get out of box


reid has the gap by then cain was not gonna cathc here
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