No wrestling in 2020 Olympics


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Re: Cutting number of events Re: No wrestling in 2020

Postby Halfmiler2 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:13 pm

GHM wrote:IOC should consider

Cutting number of events in rowing, canoeing, and kayaking. Same with cycling and BMX.

Number of athletes from each country could be cut down. T&F could be limited to two athletes per event per country like swimming. Cut tennis entry to two per country. Max two athletes per event per country in Badminton and table tennis. Ditto for cycling, mountain bike, and BMX.


The IOC has made previous attempts to limit the number of competitors which is why track & field now has tougher standards. This latest decision seems to be an attempt to simply limit the number of sports - which is why merging Triathlon and Modern Pentathlon into one federation would have been the simpliest answer.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby jeremyp » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:10 am

Don Rumsfeld, once a wrestler, and wannabe Olympian weighs in and makes some good points in favor of keeping his sport in the Olympics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... ml?hpid=z2
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Conor Dary » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:18 am

Well, if wrestling made Rumsfeld the man he is today, then I am all for getting rid of it.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Tuariki » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:57 am

HopStepJump wrote:
Tuariki wrote:Table tennis only has 300 million players worldwide, Badminton more than 20 million playing worldwide and that is one hell of a lot more than wrestlers worldwide. But WTF it's only Asians who play those games, and so I guess rice eaters are not counted in your food chain



My wife happens to be one of your Chinese "rice eaters". I'm also well aware of the popularity of table tennis in China, so why don't you just stop making up shit.

As far as your point goes, should popular sports such as artistic gymnastics and diving also be on the chopping block because of their lower world-wide participancy? Some sports are harder to master than others and some do not lend themselves easily to recreational opportunities. I'm sure there are people in the 80s who can play table tennis, but how many people in their 50s want to go at it hard with someone else on the mat for several minutes?

So, contrary to your assertion of soft racism as being the driving factor for my opinion, here's what I am actually basing it on.

Wrestling-

29 NOCs won medals in 2012, 27 in 2008, 28 in 2004
In its Olympic history, 1078 total medals won by 54 different nations

Badminton-

In its history, 91 total medals won by 10 NOCs (88% by eastern Asian nations, rest by Europe and one by India))
Infamously had players purposely tanking matches in 2012 for a better seed in the knockout rounds

Table Tennis-

88 total medals won by 12 NOCs (85% by eastern Asian nations, rest by Europe)
24 out of 28 gold medals won by a single nation- China (3 of the 4 non-Chinese golds won before 1996)


Temper, temper
You do appear overly focused to point out in support of your negativity towards badminton and table tennis that those sports are dominated by those "East Asians" as if this is a reason to get rid of a sport. Should we get rid of basketball because it is dominated by the USA?

And of course the infamy of the badminton players tanking to get a better draw in the final rounds. We won't mention wrestling's 7 Olympic drug cheats such as Tomas Johansen, Alidad, Fritz Aanes, Aexander Leipold, Oyuunbilegiin Purevbataar, Mabel Fonseca and Soslan Tigiev.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Per Andersen » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:25 pm

I watched the news today, oh boy!
Demonstration of the possible new Olympic sport Wushu. Do we need another Martial arts sport?
Kung Fu fighting, just a little bit frightening!

It was mentioned that Wrestling is boring and Wushu has about a million more hits than wrestling on YouTube. So maybe that's the way to go picking sports for the IOC. Counting hits on YouTube. They did not say how many hits it takes to fill the Albert Hall :evil:
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Brian » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:37 am

Wouldn't this be a real kick if the whole thing was done just for marketing...to spur interest in viewing wrestling the next Games...

[And thereby increase ad revenue during, of course.]
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:22 am

Per Andersen wrote:I watched the news today, oh boy!
Demonstration of the possible new Olympic sport Wushu. Do we need another Martial arts sport?
Kung Fu fighting, just a little bit frightening!

It was mentioned that Wrestling is boring and Wushu has about a million more hits than wrestling on YouTube. So maybe that's the way to go picking sports for the IOC. Counting hits on YouTube. They did not say how many hits it takes to fill the Albert Hall :evil:


So YouTube hits is the new criteria. Is synchronized Gangnam Style due in the next Olympics?
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby jeremyp » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:31 am

Conor Dary wrote:Well, if wrestling made Rumsfeld the man he is today, then I am all for getting rid of it.

Well there are the things we know about wrestling, the things we think we know about it and the knowable unknowable things.....it's messy. Just saying.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby noone » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:27 am

DrJay wrote:
Powell wrote:Be honest... how many of you lamenting wrestling's fate actually watched any wrestling during the last OG?


I also watched no synchronized diving nor rhythmic gymastics, but think those are silly sports that should get the ax.


I think especially we, as aficionados of a "niche sport", should be very careful about calling sports we don't understand "silly", lest someone call hammer throwing silly.

I personally think the best way to make the Olympics a bit smaller is to reduce the number of similar events:
In swimming, it is not unusual to see the same athlete win the 50m, 100m and 200m free, the various relays, and sometimes the butterfly which seems to call for a similar skill set. This is why people who know little about sports say "OMG, Mark Spitz (or Michael Phelps) is the world's greatest athlete, he won 18 gold medals". Also, one could cut down on the number of weight classes in boxing, wrestling and weightlifting. If they had only (say) six events in boxing, people might even take note of the winners and they would be more famous than now.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:12 pm

noone wrote:
DrJay wrote:
Powell wrote:Be honest... how many of you lamenting wrestling's fate actually watched any wrestling during the last OG?


I also watched no synchronized diving nor rhythmic gymastics, but think those are silly sports that should get the ax.


I think especially we, as aficionados of a "niche sport", should be very careful about calling sports we don't understand "silly", lest someone call hammer throwing silly.

I personally think the best way to make the Olympics a bit smaller is to reduce the number of similar events:
In swimming, it is not unusual to see the same athlete win the 50m, 100m and 200m free, the various relays, and sometimes the butterfly which seems to call for a similar skill set. This is why people who know little about sports say "OMG, Mark Spitz (or Michael Phelps) is the world's greatest athlete, he won 18 gold medals". Also, one could cut down on the number of weight classes in boxing, wrestling and weightlifting. If they had only (say) six events in boxing, people might even take note of the winners and they would be more famous than now.


Cut down on Swimming events? Are you some kind of Socialist? NBC is probably right now demanding more Swimming events. After all they are tailored made for the American Public since Americans win most of them anyways, and will for the next century.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby kuha » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:15 pm

Exactly. If you want to have some clue as to what the Olympic future will hold, think like an NBC executive.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Daisy » Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:43 pm

Kuha, that is a depressing thought. So we're talking about five events, swimming, gymnastics, beach volleyball and basketball.

OK, four events.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Conor Dary » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:26 pm

Daisy wrote:Kuha, that is a depressing thought. So we're talking about five events, swimming, gymnastics, beach volleyball and basketball.

OK, four events.


Well, there will always be the Opening and Closing Ceremonies.....
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby kuha » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:16 pm

Conor Dary wrote:
Daisy wrote:Kuha, that is a depressing thought. So we're talking about five events, swimming, gymnastics, beach volleyball and basketball.

OK, four events.


Well, there will always be the Opening and Closing Ceremonies.....


Precisely. AND, of course, all those wonderful up-close-and-personal profiles on inspirational athletes like.......Oscar Pistorius.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Pego » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:30 pm

You guys are making me depressed.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby bambam » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:14 pm

kuha wrote:Exactly. If you want to have some clue as to what the Olympic future will hold, think like an NBC executive.


Actually, the swimming rules were changed in the early 1980s limiting each event to only 2 swimmers per nation, because the USA and the GDR women were so dominant that they were sweeping many of the events. Had nothing to do with NBC (then ABC televised) as they would prefer 3 Americans.

Note that no such rule exists for table tennis or badminton although the Chinese dominate those sports.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby kuha » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:15 pm

bambam wrote:
kuha wrote:Exactly. If you want to have some clue as to what the Olympic future will hold, think like an NBC executive.


Actually, the swimming rules were changed in the early 1980s limiting each event to only 2 swimmers per nation, because the USA and the GDR women were so dominant that they were sweeping many of the events. Had nothing to do with NBC (then ABC televised) as they would prefer 3 Americans.

Note that no such rule exists for table tennis or badminton although the Chinese dominate those sports.


And I'd suggest that the "early 1980s" were an eon ago in terms of current Olympic politics and economics. The question on the table is: what is driving the decisions being made now?
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby kuha » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:20 pm

Pego wrote:You guys are making me depressed.


FInally, I feel like I'm earning my astronomical salary here! :lol:
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby DrJay » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:36 pm

noone wrote:
DrJay wrote:
Powell wrote:Be honest... how many of you lamenting wrestling's fate actually watched any wrestling during the last OG?


I also watched no synchronized diving nor rhythmic gymastics, but think those are silly sports that should get the ax.


I think especially we, as aficionados of a "niche sport", should be very careful about calling sports we don't understand "silly", lest someone call hammer throwing silly.


Let 'em call it silly to Yuriy Sedykh's face!

OK, it's a bit of an odd event, but it makes more sense than ribbon-twirling/hoop tossing and catching, and has some history behind it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_throw

I'd disagree that T&F is a niche sport. One of the largest sports participant-wise in the world, with running, jumping, and throwing the most basic/natural/uncontrived of athletic skills. (OK, so the triple jump and pole vault are a bit contrived.)
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Powell » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:28 am

noone wrote:I personally think the best way to make the Olympics a bit smaller is to reduce the number of similar events:
In swimming, it is not unusual to see the same athlete win the 50m, 100m and 200m free, the various relays, and sometimes the butterfly which seems to call for a similar skill set.


I agree that there are too many similar events in some sports (and that includes T&F as well IMO). But cutting a few swimming events would not reduce the number of athletes a whole lot, since as you observed, a lot of swimmers compete in several events, so they would still be there if some of those were cut.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:25 am

I don't see why people want events cut at the Olympics. If anything I would love to see a few more sports and couple more T&F events. The nice thing about the Olympics is you can watch what you want or discover a new Sport, if only for two weeks. Sure some Sports are based on judgement, but the skills involved are amazing and deserve to be displayed. People also ignore the fact judges are involved in all sports and even in T&F, Football/Soccer, Basketball, Rugby etc judges calls have been Just as influential in deciding the result in a great many matches or games.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:43 am

Powell wrote:
noone wrote:I personally think the best way to make the Olympics a bit smaller is to reduce the number of similar events:
In swimming, it is not unusual to see the same athlete win the 50m, 100m and 200m free, the various relays, and sometimes the butterfly which seems to call for a similar skill set.


I agree that there are too many similar events in some sports (and that includes T&F as well IMO). But cutting a few swimming events would not reduce the number of athletes a whole lot, since as you observed, a lot of swimmers compete in several events, so they would still be there if some of those were cut.


Now that NBC has found that some USA dude or gal winning a gazillion medals is the path to NBC viewership glory, I think it is pretty unlikely Swimming will lose any events.

Also the sponsor like it too, I would bet.
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Re: No wrestling in 2020 Olympics

Postby Conor Dary » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:45 am

kuha wrote:
bambam wrote:
kuha wrote:Exactly. If you want to have some clue as to what the Olympic future will hold, think like an NBC executive.


Actually, the swimming rules were changed in the early 1980s limiting each event to only 2 swimmers per nation, because the USA and the GDR women were so dominant that they were sweeping many of the events. Had nothing to do with NBC (then ABC televised) as they would prefer 3 Americans.

Note that no such rule exists for table tennis or badminton although the Chinese dominate those sports.


And I'd suggest that the "early 1980s" were an eon ago in terms of current Olympic politics and economics. The question on the table is: what is driving the decisions being made now?


Yes, the early 1980's is almost quaint to the goings on now with the IOC.
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