TBO is Gonna Get You


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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby ATK » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:25 am

mump boy wrote:
ATK wrote:I think the idea that she is always a Championship performer is a little over hyped. Yes she usually runs her best at championships, but she hasn't always performed well.

2007, 2008, and 2012 were her great years
2004, 2005, 2009, and 2011 were not...


She has run a pb or SB at every championships she has ever run at apart from 11 when she was DQ'd

In 04, at 20, she ran 50.50 at the OG, in 05 her main aim was the Euro under 23, she came 2nd by .01 to Olga Zaytzeva in a SB, In 06 she won the CWG in a PB of 50.28 in 09 she was injured but ran 50.22 for 5th.

You don't always have to wins a medal to perform well !!

CO is an Olympic and World Champion, not a small time athlete. In terms of achievements and performance at the major meets were talking SRR, Williams-Darling, Ana Guevara comparable.

I see CO is in the position of If she does well its a huge success and praise, if she does average or below, its not a surprise because her runs during the season usually never indicate anything special to come.
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby nevetsllim » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:39 am

ATK wrote:
peach77 wrote:But it doesn't really make any difference what the women think or know...because when it comes to the Championships, she is always entirely ready. She was an enigma back in 08, sure, but as we all seem to bang on about every time a Championships rolls around, it is only a complete fool who writes off The Big O at a Games- and I really don't think many of the women will ever do that again, no matter what happens on the circuit...

I think the idea that she is always a Championship performer is a little over hyped. Yes she usually runs her best at championships, but she hasn't always performed well.

2007, 2008, and 2012 were her great years
2004, 2005, 2009, and 2011 were not...


Nine of her ten best times at 400m have all been achieved in major championships and the other one was achieved at the World Athletics Final. This is a record you cannot argue with and one very few athletes can match.

2004 was pretty much Ohuruogu's first year as a full-time athlete after focusing on netball and she dropped her PB from outside 54sec down to 50.50 in the Olympics (and 50.98 just before the Games). Ohuruogu's focus in 2005 was the European Under-23 Champs and she set her season's best in the final before anchoring Britain to a medal in the 4x400m final at the World Champs. She was injured in 2009 but still lowered her season's best from 51.14 down to 50.35 in the SF and 50.21 in the final which surpassed most people's expectation.

2011 wasn't her best year but that's, what, one year in the past 8-9y where she hasn't performed.
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby peach77 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:18 am

I never understand why people discount TBO. She's the consummate championships performer, she's NEVER underperformed at a major games (bar the DQ) and you can bet your bottom dollar that the 400m girls all recognise the threat she poses when she lines up healthy...
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby John G » Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:40 am

I always thought that CO's success was based primarily on two things:
1) She peaks to perfection (never leaves her best racing on the circuit);
2) She paces her race to perfection with relatively even-paced running.

Sounds like she may be messing with perfection. That said, she needs to somehow find fresh motivation, so good luck to her. I always felt that she had got closer to her her absolute potential than any other British athlete and I can't see her ever breaking 49.5. In terms of pure ability I don't think she's even the best British 400 runner of her generation - Nicola Sanders should have gone quicker in 2007.

To pull her new race strategy off presumably she will need to get a lot quicker over 200. In the past, she may have gone through 200 half a second or more behind SRR but in doing so she was probably as close to her 200 pb as SRR was. Can she get quicker however without messing with her training and losing some of her strength?

Can anyone think of 400 flat runner who has successfully changed tactics relatively late in their career?
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby peach77 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:23 am

I think it's a brave move but, to be honest, she's achieved everything she wants to apart from the super fast times- so why not shake it up a bit and see what happens? It may not work but she's got a couple of seasons to try it out before she needs to think about having a crack at Rio. I'm really excited by the approach, though- she seems a different athlete this past year in terms of her effort and dedication. I wonder how much of that had to do with the injuries and realising just what it all meant to her...
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby 26mi235 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:00 am

Race this season, go for times in 2014.
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby mump boy » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:19 am

John G wrote:I always thought that CO's success was based primarily on two things:
1) She peaks to perfection (never leaves her best racing on the circuit);
2) She paces her race to perfection with relatively even-paced running.

Sounds like she may be messing with perfection. That said, she needs to somehow find fresh motivation, so good luck to her. I always felt that she had got closer to her her absolute potential than any other British athlete and I can't see her ever breaking 49.5. In terms of pure ability I don't think she's even the best British 400 runner of her generation - Nicola Sanders should have gone quicker in 2007.

To pull her new race strategy off presumably she will need to get a lot quicker over 200. In the past, she may have gone through 200 half a second or more behind SRR but in doing so she was probably as close to her 200 pb as SRR was. Can she get quicker however without messing with her training and losing some of her strength?

Can anyone think of 400 flat runner who has successfully changed tactics relatively late in their career?


I agree with all of this but i think TBO's lack of commitment to the first half of the race is most egregious i can remember at this level. It has worked on the right occasion but only by tiny amounts. She won in 07 by 0.04 in 08 by 0.07 in London she won silver by 0.02

I don't want her going out crazy but i do think a better distribute of pace can get rewards, there is certainly nothing wrong with trying, especially on the circuit
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby Gabriella » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:35 am

I'm not so sure she needs to change tactics and go our harder from the gun, rather she just needs to start her kick earlier. She looks to make her move at around the 230-250m point. If she just started to kick that bit earlier and that little bit harder then that in itself would make a difference; indeed she would have won gold in London (ok, shoulda woulda coulda)

I felt she was lucky in 2007 that Williams didn't dip at the line; she could so easily have been the silver and not gold medalist. 2008 was better judged and 2012 wasn't quite right. To me, the 'simple' answer is to kick that little bit earlier.

She is a fairly even paced runner, that is how she runs, so to make her go harder from the gun I just dont see as benefiting her as she simply isn't fast enough. Also, she got out faster in at least one race last season (can't remember which but it was televised in the UK) and she still didnt win.

Until she gets her 200m PB down by at least another 3/10ths then she will remain in the same ilk as Guevara and Miles-Clark - even paced runners that give the impression of a strong finish when the others are faltering.

So, I would like her to work more over 100/200 this seaosn and start her kick at 200m and no later. Simples :D
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby mump boy » Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:21 am

Gabriella wrote:I'm not so sure she needs to change tactics and go our harder from the gun, rather she just needs to start her kick earlier. She looks to make her move at around the 230-250m point. If she just started to kick that bit earlier and that little bit harder then that in itself would make a difference; indeed she would have won gold in London (ok, shoulda woulda coulda)

I felt she was lucky in 2007 that Williams didn't dip at the line; she could so easily have been the silver and not gold medalist. 2008 was better judged and 2012 wasn't quite right. To me, the 'simple' answer is to kick that little bit earlier.

She is a fairly even paced runner, that is how she runs, so to make her go harder from the gun I just dont see as benefiting her as she simply isn't fast enough. Also, she got out faster in at least one race last season (can't remember which but it was televised in the UK) and she still didnt win.

Until she gets her 200m PB down by at least another 3/10ths then she will remain in the same ilk as Guevara and Miles-Clark - even paced runners that give the impression of a strong finish when the others are faltering.

So, I would like her to work more over 100/200 this seaosn and start her kick at 200m and no later. Simples :D


This all makes sense but while Sanya, Jeremy, Michael etc have made a career of getting up to optimum speed asap and then relax she seems to relax for the first 200m and only then wake up. I know nothing about running 400m but it doesn't seem a very sensible plan.
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Re: TBO is Gonna Get You

Postby eldanielfire » Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:55 pm

Gabriella wrote:I'm not so sure she needs to change tactics and go our harder from the gun, rather she just needs to start her kick earlier. She looks to make her move at around the 230-250m point. If she just started to kick that bit earlier and that little bit harder then that in itself would make a difference; indeed she would have won gold in London (ok, shoulda woulda coulda)

I felt she was lucky in 2007 that Williams didn't dip at the line; she could so easily have been the silver and not gold medalist. 2008 was better judged and 2012 wasn't quite right. To me, the 'simple' answer is to kick that little bit earlier.


Williams was 3rd mate after Nicola Sanders as well. That would be some dip to stretch out in front of both 2nd and 3rd.

One thing I'm always amused by TBO is how she literally always runs exactly 400m. She always stops with the very step she takes that takes her over the finish. No mroe and no less. I can't recall a serious dip either from her.


She is a fairly even paced runner, that is how she runs, so to make her go harder from the gun I just dont see as benefiting her as she simply isn't fast enough. Also, she got out faster in at least one race last season (can't remember which but it was televised in the UK) and she still didnt win.

Until she gets her 200m PB down by at least another 3/10ths then she will remain in the same ilk as Guevara and Miles-Clark - even paced runners that give the impression of a strong finish when the others are faltering.

So, I would like her to work more over 100/200 this seaosn and start her kick at 200m and no later. Simples :D


Me too.
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