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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby az2004 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:43 pm

her 200 race looked a bit more solid than her 400 based on the 2 videos

have her times improved since 2011
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby t_monk » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:06 pm

az2004 wrote:her 200 race looked a bit more solid than her 400 based on the 2 videos

have her times improved since 2011


Her perfect distance is actually 300m. She hasn't improved on her PB in 2012, she ran in the 52's for the 400 and 24.0x in the 200. I think with enough competition and the right environment/training partners she should be able to improve. This is her progression thus far is:

100 Metres
Performance Wind Place Date
2011 11.77 +1.9 Sudbury 03 JUN
2010 11.88 +1.0 Ottawa 07 AUG
200 Metres
Performance Wind Place Date
2012 24.06 -1.9 St. Catharines 01 JUN
2011 23.43 +1.8 Ottawa 07 AUG

2010 23.84 +0.8 Toronto (TTFC) 30 JUL
400 Metres
Performance Wind Place Date
2012 52.69 Windsor, CAN 26 MAY
2011 52.12 Lille 08 JUL

2010 54.15 Moncton 03 JUL

She will be 18 on March 27.
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby aaronk » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:54 pm

It may be premature to ask this, and maybe no one should...ever....but, if Mary should improve on her HSR's in the 1500 and one mile at Millrose, and especially if she makes a major breakthrough....say, something under 4:13 and 4:30....then we might well ask whether it would be UNFAIR for Mary Cain to run in any more HS meets, even the championship post-season affairs!!

She is so very far ahead of anyone else in the 1500-2 mile range....and if she ran them, in the 800, 1000, and 5000 events also....that it would be like Dibaba in that Boston 2 mile.

Dibaba's pacers gave up after just 1000. They couldn't handle her pace!!
She lapped a couple of runners.
She was HALF a track ahead of the pack at the finish!!
It was like there were two races....
Dibaba against the clock....and the REAL 2 mile race!!
(In THAT race, Cain finished SECOND!!)

Without Sarah Baxter and some others showing their face indoors so far, it's difficult to say what the rest of the indoor season might bring.

If no one else breaks, say, 4:42 in the one mile, or 10:00 in the two mile, or some equivalent times in the 800-1K or the 5K, I'm beginning to believe it would be unfair for Cain to be allowed to compete in HS track races this year!!

I'm talking outdoors!
It would be like that 2 mile in Boston.....
Cain against the clock.....
and everyone else WAYYY back!!

It would be detrimental both to Mary's progress as a NATIONAL class runner, and to the possible psychological effects of girls being so far behind Cain.....despite being GREAT athletes themselves!!

Think the NY Yankees playing their Class A minor league team!!

But let's wait till we get to outdoors.
Wait to see what happens in the four remaining weeks of the HS indoor season!!

BTW, I'm well aware Cain is NOT racing for her Bronxville team!!
But I'm talking mainly of the post-season NATIONAL HS meets, or ANY high school ONLY races.
I believe Cain would still be eligible to run in the former, if she wanted to.
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby az2004 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:53 am

looks like brennan 2011 200 had a positive wind,

whereas her 2012 time had a negative wind

agree with 300 looking to be her best current distance

she should get stronger as she matures for the 400

i see where florida st got a good female hurdler

NICOLE SETTERINGTON - Ontario, Canada

• 100m Hurdles PR of 13.37 - set in June in OFSAA championships

• Won Athletics Ontario Junior-Senior Championships in 13.98 in July

• Runner-up at Canadian Junior National Championships in July


heres the video of her 13.37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBzgtkWDOo0

so canada has a couple young talents

also i recall they have a sub 1:48 800 meter run who will go to school in canada
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby az2004 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:43 am

aarok raises valid points about what salazar should do with cain

one model is the ethiopian kid gebresalassie who won world youth 3k, and who has run a good number of diamond league meets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vwKwSiVmZY here's the 2012 lausanne meet won by cherono in 8:40 for 3k

does salazar want to expose cain to europe


or does he have more modest plans for cain

i think prep for 2014 eugene getinng her 800 time lower that 2:03 is more beneficial

800 and 1000 outdoors would be the route i'd go

dont forget ajee wilson is close by, so local east coast races between cain and wilson are quality for both of the,

then do the diamond league ny mile

follwed by prefontaine 800

and des moines 1500 trials might be the early outdoor schedule

salazar probably knows what he'll do, just not telling us

i'd not pursue 5k, as alberto already says 1500 is her sweet spot now
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby aaronk » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:31 am

WOW!!
She's on the cover!!
And that, after just TWO HSR's!!
Does that mean she'll pull an "Alan Webb" and make the cover TWICE this year??

She now has FOUR indoor records....and might have SIX (two of them breaking her OWN records!!) by the time the April issue goes to press!!

Will she even "out-Bolt" Usain??

ADDED: Let's hope she doesn't suffer the T&FN cover JINX!! :shock:
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby az2004 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:02 pm

i was hyping cain and wilson at eugene olympic trials last year

oddly cain was only eligible at 800, just missed the 1500

didnt bolt make the cover at 16 with his world junior gold ?? a sub 20 i recall
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby aaronk » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:51 pm

Scanned the T&FN Archives a bit, and found the first Bolt cover to be the Sept issue of 2003.
This gets tricky!! 8-)
He was born August 21st of 1986.
That issue probably went to press in late July or very early August.
Meaning Bolt was THEN 16 years and 11 months and change!!

Looked for Mary Decker when she was 14 or 15, but she didn't make the cover then.
(Though I think there was an article on her inside at that time!!)

Thus, Mary Cain, at 16 years and 9 months (and about one week) MIGHT be the youngest athlete EVER to make T&FN's cover!!

GH, do you know if there was anyone younger??
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby az2004 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:17 am

ok, the front page has info on the 2013 world youth champ in the ukraine july 10-14

the usa trials are june 25-26 in edwardswille ill

mary cain is eligible in 800, 1500, 3000

the schedule in ukraine would be far tougher than the 2 day illinois schedule would be as there are more tougher youth globally than in usa

i think 2 atletes could enter for the usa per event

in the 800


Mary Cain (Bronxville, N.Y.) 5-30-96 02:03.0

Raevyn Rogers (Kinkaid School, Houston, Tx.) 9-7-96 02:05.0

wwith 2:08 being 3rd

for 1500


*Mary Cain (Bronxville, N.Y.) 5-30-96 4:16.11’i

**Alexa Efraimson (Camas, Wa.) 2-20-97 4:23.4’

3rd 4:25

THERE ARE SEMIS IN 800 and 1500 in UKRAINE

FINAL ONLY IN UKRAINE

3000


*Mary Cain (Bronxville, N.Y.) 5-30-96 9:04.51 i

**Bella Burda (Arlington, Lagrangeville, N.Y.) 9-16-97 9:45.6 i

9:51 is 3rd

which of the 2 events will alberto have her run 800, 1500, 3000

NOT ALL 3...it might well be field in the events drives the pick for alberto
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Re: preview for millrose 1 mile

Postby az2004 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:19 pm

for the 800

IAAF World Youth Championship Qualifying Standard—2:13.50

Minimum Avg. Mark to Make World Youth Championship Final—2:07.27
i'd like cain to pursue the 800 option

more speed she has better 1500 would be


IAAF World Youth Qualifying Standard—4:36.00
Minimum Avg. Mark to make WYC final—4:30.27 for 1,500 (worth 4:50.30 for 1,600, 4:52.0 for one mile)


she already has the 1500 standard



3,000 METERS (straight final)
IAAF World Youth Qualifying Standard—9:53.00 (worth 10:38.8 for 3,200)
Minimum Avg, Mark for Eighth Place—9:34.63 (worth 10:16.9 for 3,200)

cain already has final standard, i prefer 800 option

if for some reason she can get 800 standard 2:07 which i think is achieveable, do the 3k
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